Team JTG Laser Jammer Test -- Escort Zr3 and Bel LP904 vs UL [Archive]

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go.mouse

12-13-2006, 04:59 PM

Two weeks ago we tested Escort Zr3 Shifter on two vehicles of rd.net forum members, Palut and billR. We've also tested Bel Laser Pro 904 on a white Escalade.

The LIDAR gun used was the LTI Ultralyte Compact. Here's the results and videos on the test runs.

Escort Zr3 Shifter -- billR's white Hyundai Elantra

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l278/gomouse/Team_JTG/1125_auburn_wa/snapshots/billr_001.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAV09-8cfH4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAV09-8cfH4)

Run 1: 505 ft
Run 2: 1342.2 ft
Run 3: 450.9 ft
Run 4: 1859.6 ft

Escort Zr3 Shifter -- Palut's black Honda Accord

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l278/gomouse/Team_JTG/1125_auburn_wa/snapshots/ben_001.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egh9tb9vAtc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egh9tb9vAtc)

Run 1: JTG
Run 2: JTG
Run 3: 610.1 ft
Run 4: 632.1 ft

Bel LP904 -- Jim's white Cadillac Escalade

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l278/gomouse/Team_JTG/1125_auburn_wa/snapshots/escalade_005.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcqTvYRP7z0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcqTvYRP7z0)

Run 1: 1148.2 ft
Run 2: 1113.2 ft

Palut

12-13-2006, 09:27 PM

I was worried when I had punchthroughs that high, but now that I see that they're right on the headlights I'm not as worried. As long as they go for the license plate first I should be good to go. Great job on the videos.

crazyVOLVOrob

12-13-2006, 10:43 PM

I hope the escalade moves the rear transponder up front :wink: All he gets is laser detection :lol:

Arashi666

12-13-2006, 11:24 PM

ahh the oh so familiar sound of an idling F22B :D :D

few things...............

is there a base run of the Accord vs that very Ultralyte????

Who was the Shooter, Mouse??????

WTF is up with the JTG and all of a sudden 610 PT.......... interesting indeed...

go.mouse

12-13-2006, 11:33 PM

Arashi666

12-13-2006, 11:38 PM

I was the shooter of the Ultralyte. I clocked Palut's Accord at 1483 ft on a base run with jammer off. Laser Atlanta clocked him a little further away.

The two JTG runs were done in the morning. We got the 600 ft PT's in the afternoon. Must be the great lunch I had :lol:

ahh the oh so familiar sound of an idling F22B :D :D

few things...............

is there a base run of the Accord vs that very Ultralyte????

Who was the Shooter, Mouse??????

WTF is up with the JTG and all of a sudden 610 PT.......... interesting indeed...

OK now it all kinda makes sense.............. now if youre curious as to my base on the CL, take that base run and add a little more, maybe 100 feet........ but that'll probably change against the Marksman............ oh well, we'll see some time

finfinQX56

12-13-2006, 11:40 PM

Alright time for me to get the Blinder M40 cause after seeing the 1,000+ ft punchthrough on the Escalade... the two measly ZR3 shifters in front of my QX56 basically just detects. :(

go.mouse

12-14-2006, 12:04 AM

Here's the base-run video on Palut's Accord.

http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=3eb0c33e-6d4d-4366-8107-162ec4b17b37

OK now it all kinda makes sense.............. now if youre curious as to my base on the CL, take that base run and add a little more, maybe 100 feet........ but that'll probably change against the Marksman............ oh well, we'll see some time

Hessen

12-14-2006, 06:37 AM

Question........even with the punch through on the Escalade, would it give the driver enough time to slow down...... :?:

Nice work Mouse........... :wink:

Audi Quattro

12-14-2006, 08:52 AM

that all depends what that driver is willing to sacarfice? Is he expecting to always get hit at 2000ft? Will he always be going the PSL for maybe 5 over? If he gets hit at 1000ft and he is going 15-20mph over the psl will he get instant PT because the Bel 904/905 doesnt cut the mustard, do you really think 2 more led heads will really make a difference?

sakoylini

12-14-2006, 09:14 AM

Nice video mouse. 8)

LittleOverPSL

12-14-2006, 10:57 AM

I don't know about the areas palut drives in, but where I typically drive they really shoot at close range - sometimes at less than 300'.

Palut

12-14-2006, 03:26 PM

I'm almost always shot at around 1,000 feet minimum.

Arashi666

12-14-2006, 03:32 PM

I'm almost always shot at around 1,000 feet minimum.

they'll usually try to shoot you out at 1000-1500 ish, simply because they think its undetectable........... we get the warning, Veil and the Jammers go to work, we drop speed, end of story :wink:

g_jammer

12-15-2006, 02:07 PM

Very Nice Job on those Video's.

The Punch through's of the ZR3 have become a problem for me in Chicago.

It used to be that I would get hit by Lidar mostly on the highway by the State Police at 1000 ft +, the ZR3 did well in those situations.

However, the Chicago PD have been shooting Lidar on Lake Shore Dr. at ranges less than 500ft & the squads are difficult to see even at those short distances.

After owning several ZR3's for many years, I am afraid I may need to upgrade to more powerful diode jammers.

anjoem

12-17-2006, 10:50 PM

Hmm...

I am actually a lil shocked at the results. When i had the ZR3 fitted to my vehicle, i was getting PT only between 100-75ft. Must be the size of the vehicle or the placement of the heads.

Mouse, was manufacturers installation instructions used to determine where the heads suppose to be placed?

Bill R

12-17-2006, 11:17 PM

NICE WORK MOUSE - TIME TO UPGRADE MY ZR3

BILLR

ELVATO

12-18-2006, 02:12 AM

Hmmm...Id like to see other jammers tested with the Escalade. Maybe a dual head diode jammer. The escalade is pretty much like my vehicle(large white SUV w/ big headlights), except with less chrome(I dont have a chrome grill.)

LittleOverPSL

12-21-2006, 04:17 PM

The Escalade already had the Bel jammer installed when the guy bought it, he was just interested in seeing how it does. I don't think he's interested in upgrading it, at least I didn't hear him bemoan it's performance.

However, the point is well taken. It will be interesting to see performance of jammers on a white Escalade.

radardan24

12-25-2006, 08:48 AM

i have both the lp-904 and the lp-905 in both my cars and havent got a ticket in 6 yrs now and have had jtg with the newer lp905 on the ultralyte l/r, prolaser3 and other laser guns.
if you read a reputable testing website or ask roy he will tell you the units are nearly identical in every way and the companys r the same now and were always neck and neck.
maybe you tested a bad unit because ive had jtg with both jammers and at least 450 feet or less on any laser ive been nailed with in florida. florida has lots of laser and these are basically same units and i believe professional police doing testing and their results than yours. nice try on selling to people a false sense of a better jammer but these are thesame jammers with same results. goto radartest.com and view or ask roy on his website or even go to veil guys and look up past testing with these units from them. you will ee these jammers are the same in almost every gun. in fact the older lp904 jammed the prolaser 3 to 60 ft. where the zr3 shifter got nailed at over 300 feet from the prolaser 3. and the zr3 did do slightly better than the bel lp904 against the stalker, but my lp 905 from roy and the lp 904 are jamming fine and put all 3 up front for even more protection.
PEOPLE, LOOK AT THE ABOVE WEBSITES AND REVIEW TESTING RESULTS ON BEL AND THE ZR3 SHIFTER-THEY ARE THE SAME.

go.mouse

12-25-2006, 09:47 AM

I respect your opinion on the Bel Laser Pro jammer from your personal jamming experience, but there are many factors that may affect the performance here. We test different jammers on different vehicles. This was just a fun jammer test and we did not have the resource to rent a test vehicle. We test what people have installed on their cars.

The Escalade had on LP904 on it, and the test result and video show that it is certainly not enough to protect a white SUV. If you install it on Palut's black Accord I'm sure it might perform better.

To be honest, JTG with your LP905 against an Ultralyte is hard to believe. Have you actually shot the laser gun yourself? People can always say anything about jammer performance based on their personal experience, but it will never be as scientific as video clips showing test runs filmed through the scope of a lidar gun -- and that's what we do. Only numbers and videos.

i have both the lp-904 and the lp-905 in both my cars and havent got a ticket in 6 yrs now and have had jtg with the newer lp905 on the ultralyte l/r, prolaser3 and other laser guns.
if you read a reputable testing website or ask roy he will tell you the units are nearly identical in every way and the companys r the same now and were always neck and neck.
maybe you tested a bad unit because ive had jtg with both jammers and at least 450 feet or less on any laser ive been nailed with in florida. florida has lots of laser and these are basically same units and i believe professional police doing testing and their results than yours. nice try on selling to people a false sense of a better jammer but these are thesame jammers with same results. goto radartest.com and view or ask roy on his website or even go to veil guys and look up past testing with these units from them. you will ee these jammers are the same in almost every gun. in fact the older lp904 jammed the prolaser 3 to 60 ft. where the zr3 shifter got nailed at over 300 feet from the prolaser 3. and the zr3 did do slightly better than the bel lp904 against the stalker, but my lp 905 from roy and the lp 904 are jamming fine and put all 3 up front for even more protection.
PEOPLE, LOOK AT THE ABOVE WEBSITES AND REVIEW TESTING RESULTS ON BEL AND THE ZR3 SHIFTER-THEY ARE THE SAME.

batwings

12-25-2006, 10:27 AM

Hi gomouse,

I am curious:

If you look at the video of the escalade run, at time 1:24 -to- 1:26 there is a small car on the side(actually behind/farther) of the escalade. I noticed that the red dot wondered just a little torwards it, then you bring it back to escalade. Is it possible that the beam width of the laser picked up this car and not escalade.

Obviously in the first run of escalade there was no interference similar to car in second run :D

catandmouse

12-25-2006, 03:37 PM

Bill R

12-25-2006, 09:16 PM

My ZR3 did poor against the ultralite. The video clearly demonstrates this. The problem may be in part to how the equipemnt was installed. The heads were recessed aobut an inch behind the grill. With recessed heads, and the car was white I believe contributed to the poor showing.
Mouse tested the cars in the video both off of the headlights and licence plate; he could not have done a better job.
Lets face it if you want to JTG's, get newer tecnology than the Bell or Zr3 product.
Bill R

finfinQX56

12-25-2006, 09:24 PM

Thats what I figured for the ZR3... The placement, I used to keep mine well behind the grill of my Maxima and I would get tagged by a Pro laser III and could never get JTG until I moved them outward and recommended everybody else down here NOT to keep them behind a grill especially SUV's.

Plus im losing the LED's and going with Diodes for my new car.

My ZR3 did poor against the ultralite. The video clearly demonstrates this. The problem may be in part to how the equipemnt was installed. The heads were recessed aobut an inch behind the grill. With recessed heads, and the car was white I believe contributed to the poor showing.
Mouse tested the cars in the video both off of the headlights and licence plate; he could not have done a better job.
Lets face it if you want to JTG's, get newer tecnology than the Bell or Zr3 product.
Bill R

LittleOverPSL

01-01-2007, 05:12 PM

If you look at the video of the escalade run, at time 1:24 -to- 1:26 there is a small car on the side(actually behind/farther) of the escalade. I noticed that the red dot wondered just a little torwards it, then you bring it back to escalade. Is it possible that the beam width of the laser picked up this car and not escalade.

Obviously in the first run of escalade there was no interference similar to car in second run :D
A LEO is more likely to have a steadier shot since he isn't trying to manipulate the camcorder with one hand and the lidar gun with the other. I see your point, but does it matter in the real world? I mean, wouldn't a normal person think they got the reading from the target vehicle? A more conscientious LEO would probably take a second shot and reading.

Also, lets face the fact that a lot of LED based jammers will give a fair bit of warning at long distances and probably enough time to slow down. I've said it before and I say it again, one of the key factors in decision making is the typical target distances in the regular driving area. I know for a fact that in my area I get shot at ridiculously short distances and hence JTG (or less than 100') is really important. It may not be for the guy in the Escalade even though he's in my state.

LittleOverPSL

01-01-2007, 05:19 PM

ive had jtg with both jammers and at least 450 feet or less on any laser ive been nailed with in florida.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen someone say on rd.net. How the hell would you know you got "JTG"? Were you shooting your car with a laser gun next to the cop? No. Were you driving 20 over the limit when you passed the cop car? No.

Personal experiences on what you think happens when you're being shot is just that, something you "think." Why don't you buy an LTI Ultralyte yourself and see for yourself how crappy those jammers are on large vehicles(judging by all the tests done by GoL and others.)

I personally have a blinder m20 xtreme on a semi truck and I've had JTG every single time too lol. Sure I was going the speed limit 100% of the time when I was shot, but I assure you it was JTG and that's why they didn't pull me over lol lol lol
Dang this is a good response. Unless one is dealing with stuff thats visible, JTG or similar performance is always a 'best guess' in real world situations - be it radar jammers or laser jammers. I just got back from a 3000+ mile road trip and I can't say that my detector/jammer got me a single 'save'. I could probably claim a couple of saves but it could be I was within the 'grace' limit of the LEO. Before anyone jumps in with 'you weren't speeding' - I wasn't just a little over PSL, mostly 15+, sometimes 20+ and a few times 30+ - basically whatever I thought I could get away with and road/traffic conditions.