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Revenant357
01-08-2009, 11:13 AM
hey all Im brand new here and need some adivce! yall seem to be pretty knowlageable about this so i could really use yalls help. I have a 05 mustang GT that needs laser protection. I just ordered a passport 8500 x50 for the radar side now i need something to take care of the laser. I have been pretty interested in blinder but i just found their test results on G.O.L. and im concerned that it wont give me the protection that i need. what would yall suggest for laser protection and where would be the best place to mount it? thanks!

djrams80
01-08-2009, 11:46 AM
hey all Im brand new here and need some adivce! yall seem to be pretty knowlageable about this so i could really use yalls help. I have a 05 mustang GT that needs laser protection. I just ordered a passport 8500 x50 for the radar side now i need something to take care of the laser. I have been pretty interested in blinder but i just found their test results on G.O.L. and im concerned that it wont give me the protection that i need. what would yall suggest for laser protection and where would be the best place to mount it? thanks!I say there are 2 options for you.

1) Laser Interceptor - 2 sensors properly placed will protect the front and 2 more sensors for rear protection is also an option. You're done at this point against laser.

2) Blinder or ZR4 - These jammers are less costly, but also less effective. If you add Veil to this setup, results will improve dramatically. Neither of these two will protect the rear of the car very well at all, but Veil will help there also, although not near as dramatically as on the front.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 12:09 PM
I say there are 2 options for you.

1) Laser Interceptor - 2 sensors properly placed will protect the front and 2 more sensors for rear protection is also an option. You're done at this point against laser.

2) Blinder or ZR4 - These jammers are less costly, but also less effective. If you add Veil to this setup, results will improve dramatically. Neither of these two will protect the rear of the car very well at all, but Veil will help there also, although not near as dramatically as on the front.

so how would an m25 with the veil hold up? currently i have blackout covers over my headlights and tail lights would that be a positive or negative for this kinda set up? im just not sure im willing to shell out 1400 on a dual head LI if i can get similar performance on the lower cost side.

crazyVOLVOrob
01-08-2009, 12:17 PM
I say there are 2 options for you.

1) Laser Interceptor - 2 sensors properly placed will protect the front and 2 more sensors for rear protection is also an option. You're done at this point against laser.

2) Blinder or ZR4 - These jammers are less costly, but also less effective. If you add Veil to this setup, results will improve dramatically. Neither of these two will protect the rear of the car very well at all, but Veil will help there also, although not near as dramatically as on the front.
I agree

Also keep in mind that for the cost of either the Escort Zr4/Blinder m25, you could get the Laser Mask 4 head which will give you JTG results pretty much

crazyVOLVOrob
01-08-2009, 12:19 PM
so how would an m25 with the veil hold up? currently i have blackout covers over my headlights and tail lights would that be a positive or negative for this kinda set up? im just not sure im willing to shell out 1400 on a dual head LI if i can get similar performance on the lower cost side.
LI dual head is only $700

Blinder M25 with veil would be a set-up with ticket saving performance though for the Cost of the Blinder m25 without veil you can get the Laser Mask 4 head and 4 heads up front will concur any gun around on your GT

djrams80
01-08-2009, 12:20 PM
so how would an m25 with the veil hold up?Very well. The only concern I have is the TruSpeed, since I have not seen any positive tests of the Blinder against the TruSpeed not done by a reseller. My guess is that with Veil, it would stand a good chance of providing ticket saving performance against the TruSpeed, but I'm not 100% convinced of that yet.


currently i have blackout covers over my headlights and tail lights would that be a positive or negative for this kinda set up?Not sure, since I have not tested these and have not seen anyone else test them either. My guess is, not much effect.


im just not sure im willing to shell out 1400 on a dual head LI if i can get similar performance on the lower cost side.LI is $700 for the dual, $1225 for the quad.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 01:24 PM
Laser mask didnt hold up to well on the tests that i saw. I guess i looked at the wrong product when lookin at the LI price . im not really concerned about attacks from the rear as most of the stops that got me have been upfront. I need something thats going to totaly JTG or at least give me time to decel before the punchthrough. on average i travel way above, so the more time the system gives the better it is. what would be my best option?

djrams80
01-08-2009, 01:43 PM
Laser mask didnt hold up to well on the tests that i saw. I guess i looked at the wrong product when lookin at the LI price . im not really concerned about attacks from the rear as most of the stops that got me have been upfront. I need something thats going to totaly JTG or at least give me time to decel before the punchthrough. on average i travel way above, so the more time the system gives the better it is. what would be my best option?The best option is always LI. Everything else comes with some compromise.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
well then i guess i wont be skimping on the cost then! ill just go with the LI. does cheetah have a wireless kit for LI? do the heads need to be mounted in front of the standard GT grille or can they be placed behind the grille?

Just1n
01-08-2009, 02:18 PM
No wireless kit just yet for LI. One was supposedly in the works, but I have no idea if it's going to come out yet and even if so, if that will be anytime soon.

djrams80
01-08-2009, 02:22 PM
well then i guess i wont be skimping on the cost then! ill just go with the LI. does cheetah have a wireless kit for LI? do the heads need to be mounted in front of the standard GT grille or can they be placed behind the grille?They must be mounted in front of the grille. Behind the grille will not work. I ordered an Eleanor grille, so that I could chop it up and use the most optimal mounting locations for all my countemeasures.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6139/veilzp8.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=veilzp8.jpg)

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 03:27 PM
so in doing some more research whos gonna have more reliable test results GOL or JA-3? they seem very conflicted...

djrams80
01-08-2009, 03:37 PM
so in doing some more research whos gonna have more reliable test results GOL or JA-3? they seem very conflicted...:lol::lol::lol: GOL by far. That whole JA-3 thing was just to sell Laser Stars. Nothing more. One of the JA-3 guys that were banned from here long ago recently posted this.

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/laser-jammers/41398-truth-about-laser-star.html

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 03:42 PM
They must be mounted in front of the grille. Behind the grille will not work. I ordered an Eleanor grille, so that I could chop it up and use the most optimal mounting locations for all my countemeasures.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6139/veilzp8.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=veilzp8.jpg)

nice ride! are you running four front units with 2 separate devices? i doubt i will be changing my front grille for anything other than a GT500 front end change over. so if i place me sensors next to my fogs will that leave me headlights vulnerable to attack? sorry for all the questions i just want to be 100% sure before making such a large purchase on a tight budget.

djrams80
01-08-2009, 04:05 PM
nice ride!Thanks. :) Beware of the Mustang haters. They lurk here.


are you running four front units with 2 separate devices?Yes, the LIs are my primary jammers, the ZR4s are my backups and the 9500ci is my radar antenna.


i doubt i will be changing my front grille for anything other than a GT500 front end change over. so if i place me sensors next to my fogs will that leave me headlights vulnerable to attack?The whole idea is to get the sensor as centered in each half of the car as possible. On a Mustang GT, that's right at the bottom of the fog lights. Without a new grille, you're going to have to mount the sensors as close to that spot as possible and hope the LIs are powerful enough to cover the far edges of the headlights. Without Veil, no other jammer even stands a chance on this car. Once mounted, be sure to test your setup to make sure you're properly covered.


sorry for all the questions i just want to be 100% sure before making such a large purchase on a tight budget.You must get all of your questions answered before a purchase like this, to make sure you don't screw it up. Ask away. :)

crazyVOLVOrob
01-08-2009, 04:12 PM
Not sure, since I have not tested these and have not seen anyone else test them either. My guess is, not much effect.
Smoked out headlight cover with just one coat of VEIL have a major effect in limiting your IR reflectivity
Guys of LIDAR - Radar Detector and Laser Jammer Performance Testing (http://guysoflidar.com/laser-jammer-test-july-2005/index.html#happyass)

Look at happya$$ results with headlight covers


Laser mask didnt hold up to well on the tests that i saw. I guess i looked at the wrong product when lookin at the LI price . im not really concerned about attacks from the rear as most of the stops that got me have been upfront. I need something thats going to totaly JTG or at least give me time to decel before the punchthrough. on average i travel way above, so the more time the system gives the better it is. what would be my best option?
Keep in mind that that last test wasn't a fairly done. GOL test were done in the past by comparing set-ups which would be recommended for the worst case vehicle.

GOL unfortunately choose to favor the higher powered Diode jammers in their last test.

When searching for a laser jammer compare the price!!!!

With the Laser Interceptor you get the best performance yes, but with $700 I could get the same performance that the LI give me by spending $700 with another jammer

The Laser Mask is an amazing jammer for the price. For $479 you get four heads when with just the Blinder M25 for $429....So for $50 you get twice the coverage

The Laser Mask is a great jammer for the price don't let the poorly planned recent GOL test.

Reason why I say GOL test is poorly planned is they played favoritism to the diode jammers. I wish GOL would used a price comparison when testing jammers cause that is what the average joe consumer would do

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 04:16 PM
Thanks. :) Beware of the Mustang haters. They lurk here.

The whole idea is to get the sensor as centered in each half of the car as possible. On a Mustang GT, that's right at the bottom of the fog lights. Without a new grille, you're going to have to mount the sensors as close to that spot as possible and hope the LIs are powerful enough to cover the far edges of the headlights. Without Veil, no other jammer even stands a chance on this car. Once mounted, be sure to test your setup to make sure you're properly covered.


so if i added the veil on conjunction with the LI i would have a better chance of JTG protection? for me adding more than one system is a bit unrealistic at the moment. I figure i run into laser 25% of the time, at the present moment im all outta "keep it off my record" options so whatever solution i get has to work 100% of the time, what do you think my chances of that protection are with the 8500 x50 and LI dual head set up with the veil?

djrams80
01-08-2009, 04:23 PM
so if i added the veil on conjunction with the LI i would have a better chance of JTG protection?If your setup is mounted properly, meaning as close to the center of each half of the car as possible, straight and level to the road, you probably would get JTG protection without Veil, but if you didn't, you certainly would with Veil.


for me adding more than one system is a bit unrealistic at the moment.My setup is overkill and is only for RD/laser jammer freakos like me.


I figure i run into laser 25% of the time, at the present moment im all outta "keep it off my record" options so whatever solution i get has to work 100% of the time, what do you think my chances of that protection are with the 8500 x50 and LI dual head set up with the veil?X50 + LI is a very potent setup and will serve you well as long as you use them properly and don't drive with total recklessness.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 04:34 PM
Thanks. :) Beware of the Mustang haters. They lurk here.

Yes, the LIs are my primary jammers, the ZR4s are my backups and the 9500ci is my radar antenna.

The whole idea is to get the sensor as centered in each half of the car as possible. On a Mustang GT, that's right at the bottom of the fog lights. Without a new grille, you're going to have to mount the sensors as close to that spot as possible and hope the LIs are powerful enough to cover the far edges of the headlights. Without Veil, no other jammer even stands a chance on this car. Once mounted, be sure to test your setup to make sure you're properly covered.

You must get all of your questions answered before a purchase like this, to make sure you don't screw it up. Ask away. :)


Smoked out headlight cover with just one coat of VEIL have a major effect in limiting your IR reflectivity
Guys of LIDAR - Radar Detector and Laser Jammer Performance Testing (http://guysoflidar.com/laser-jammer-test-july-2005/index.html#happyass)

Look at happya$$ results with headlight covers


Keep in mind that that last test wasn't a fairly done. GOL test were done in the past by comparing set-ups which would be recommended for the worst case vehicle.

GOL unfortunately choose to favor the higher powered Diode jammers in their last test.

When searching for a laser jammer compare the price!!!!

With the Laser Interceptor you get the best performance yes, but with $700 I could get the same performance that the LI give me by spending $700 with another jammer

The Laser Mask is an amazing jammer for the price. For $479 you get four heads when with just the Blinder M25 for $429....So for $50 you get twice the coverage

The Laser Mask is a great jammer for the price don't let the poorly planned recent GOL test.

Reason why I say GOL test is poorly planned is they played favoritism to the diode jammers. I wish GOL would used a price comparison when testing jammers cause that is what the average joe consumer would do

well when i added up all the ticket costs i have spent well over the price for the LI so i figured i might was well not comprimise when it comes to quality. I really like the dual set up because im going to have to cut holes in my grille as it is and i want to keep the cutting to the minimum. im just searching for total protection aka enought time to slow down to keep from getting tickets.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 04:36 PM
X50 + LI is a very potent setup and will serve you well as long as you use them properly and don't drive with total recklessness.


define total reckleness :evil: jk!

djrams80
01-08-2009, 05:01 PM
well when i added up all the ticket costs i have spent well over the price for the LI so i figured i might was well not comprimise when it comes to quality. I really like the dual set up because im going to have to cut holes in my grille as it is and i want to keep the cutting to the minimum. im just searching for total protection aka enought time to slow down to keep from getting tickets.I'd say the best mounting spot on a stock Mustang GT grille is right here. There might be enough depth that you might not even have to cut the grille. Even for LI, the headlight coverage is questionable.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1218/frontviewdb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

category4
01-08-2009, 05:07 PM
Start with the LI dual up front, you can add the rear heads later when you save up the money. There really is not an up charge for just buying the heads from LI.

crazyVOLVOrob
01-08-2009, 05:08 PM
well when i added up all the ticket costs i have spent well over the price for the LI so i figured i might was well not comprimise when it comes to quality. I really like the dual set up because im going to have to cut holes in my grille as it is and i want to keep the cutting to the minimum. im just searching for total protection aka enought time to slow down to keep from getting tickets.
You won't get a ticket with using either the Laser Mask (with just 2 heads or 4 heads) or the Blinder M25...And if ticket cost is your worry go with the Blinder as they are the only jammer on the market that will pay a ticket IF you get one but they never had to honor that guarantee to date:eek:

I really suggest you listen to me on this one I am a guy that has spent money on countless different laser jammer set-ups and never a laser ticket once i installed a jammer on my car. And I have had jammers which performed horrible in GOL's test

I can George Foreman guarantee you won't get a ticket using the Laser Mask 4 head or Laser Mask 2 head.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 07:48 PM
well im am by no means discounting your experience crazyVOLVOrob, but from ur sig it says ur running LI, y wouldnt i want to get the same thing that ur running after using all those set ups? most of the time i opt for the more cost efficient set up and deal with the compromises. This time i figured i wouldnt compromise and just get the best there is, which is y im leaning to the LI system. the only reason i didnt get a V1 is because i used an escort 8500 for 3 years with no tickets or problems. the old one was left in the texas summer sun for a week and died, so after that positive experience i opted to go for the upgraded version. im all about saving moneys but keeping my record clear now takes priority.

btw, how did you get trapster on ur c330? i have the same model and would love to use trapster on it.

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 07:54 PM
I'd say the best mounting spot on a stock Mustang GT grille is right here. There might be enough depth that you might not even have to cut the grille. Even for LI, the headlight coverage is questionable.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1218/frontviewdb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

hmmm, what would be better, veil the actual headlight and put the blackout cover on? or veil the blackout cover and then put that over the headlight? now lets say i went with a 4 head system like crazyvolvorob suggests. how would the coverage improve if i put 2 heads where u have marked and the other 2 at the bottom of the bumper in the voids?

djrams80
01-08-2009, 08:16 PM
hmmm, what would be better, veil the actual headlight and put the blackout cover on? or veil the blackout cover and then put that over the headlight?Veiling all of the lights would work the best. The idea is to reduce reflectivity. The reflectors behind the bulbs are the worst culprits, along with the front plate.


now lets say i went with a 4 head system like crazyvolvorob suggests. how would the coverage improve if i put 2 heads where u have marked and the other 2 at the bottom of the bumper in the voids?In my opinion, dual LI > than 4 head Laser Mask. But if you were going 4 head, I'd put them here if they'd fit, making sure that the front plate does not obstruct their view of the road. If it did, I'd have to mount the bottom sensors slightly wider.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8755/frontviewhc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Revenant357
01-08-2009, 08:22 PM
well im still gonna do some research but LI seems to be the winner thus far, in the mean time ill set up my 8500 x50 :)

chris3g
01-08-2009, 08:50 PM
well im still gonna do some research but LI seems to be the winner thus far. im still gonna do a few weeks of research, in the mean time ill set up my 8500 x50 :)

there's really no question that LI is the best, you just have to decide if you are willing to spend the money. Im not sure about the laser mask, but i know the blinder m25 is available for well under $400 if you search around. I was actually able to get an m25 AND a v1 for a little under the cost of a LI alone, so i went with that, being that i needed radar and laser. Blinder will also cover any laser tickets you get for 1 year, or 3 years for an extra charge. But if you want the best, it's definitely the LI.

SuperSalad
01-10-2009, 02:34 PM
Where in Texas do you live? I certainly make sure I take my V1 down everytime during the summer because that heat is pretty deadly. Good luck on your LI purchase. I am itching to get one myself but I'm a broke college student so it isn't looking to good for me.

Revenant357
01-11-2009, 10:41 AM
Where in Texas do you live? I certainly make sure I take my V1 down everytime during the summer because that heat is pretty deadly. Good luck on your LI purchase. I am itching to get one myself but I'm a broke college student so it isn't looking to good for me.

i live in north texas, ill never leave my x50 up in any conditions. i had an 8500 but i got careless and left it up over a couple months in the sun.

speed-dreams
01-11-2009, 12:50 PM
Where in Texas do you live? I certainly make sure I take my V1 down everytime during the summer because that heat is pretty deadly. Good luck on your LI purchase. I am itching to get one myself but I'm a broke college student so it isn't looking to good for me.
If you check the operating specs for the V1, heat is not a deadly as cold weather for the V1...

crazyVOLVOrob
01-11-2009, 03:44 PM
If you check the operating specs for the V1, heat is not a deadly as cold weather for the V1...
Funny I have had the opossite effect with my V1's

Multiple times my V1 has overheated and stopped alerting in the summer months but the cold of the winter seems to make it perform better:confused:

languy99
01-11-2009, 06:12 PM
cold is never damaging to electronics, actually the colder it is, the faster and better they work. Look at your computer, the colder you can keep the processor and such, the more you can overclock it and keep it stable. The problem with cold comes from having a cold device and heating up the surrounding area, you will get condensation and that can lead to internal shorts and corrosion on the solder joints. That's why some of the detector traces are made of gold, because any rust raises the resistance of the circuit and can cause tons of problems. heat on the other hand is always bad, it can cause chips to fail, solder joints to crack, caps to over heat and leak and so much more.

SuperSalad
01-11-2009, 07:08 PM
i live in north texas, ill never leave my x50 up in any conditions. i had an 8500 but i got careless and left it up over a couple months in the sun.

I live in Flower Mound. Do you live anywhere near there?

And when the outter casing of the V1 gets hot enough to grill a steak on, it can't exactly be good for it so I try to keep it out of the sun whenever I can.

Revenant357
01-12-2009, 09:37 AM
denton area mostly