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ratherbflyn
04-20-2009, 04:28 PM
Hey guys, this is my first real post here. I've been searching for advice and see that LI is recommended by a number of people, but I'm having a tough time spending that kind of money. I've also seen the blinder and laser mask recommendend as budget systems.

So just looking for advice specific to my car and installation. I have an '99 Audi A6 with front plate and been running a ZR3 for the last 5 years which I've had hooked up through an Escort 8500 (now x50). I really like this clean set up. The only thing visible is the 8500 mounted up by my rearview and the jammer defeat button on my dash by the speedo. It seemed to work fine and gave me enough time to slow down and turn off the jammer. I rarely go over 85 mph.

Lately the ZR3's been giving me regular alerts once per minute after it's been powered up for about 10min. I was going to send it in for repair or replace it with a ZR4 until I started browsing this site.

I've attached a photo of what my front grill looks like (my car is red, but it wasn't around for me to photo). The yellow retangles are where the ZR3 sensors are installed...this is where they fit easiest w/o cutting my grill. I also have the rear lic. plate mounted sensor. I've only run across one speed trap where they were shooting from the rear, but it does happen.

I live OR and another post on this site indicates the following detectors are used in my area: Stalker, LTI Marksman 20/20, LTI Ultralyte, Pro Laser II, Pro Laser III, Prolite. Some other info of note: I have headlight washers, so veil G4 coating doesn't work very well, but I plan to use it on my lic plate covers, fog lights and maybe the chrome rim and Audi rings on my grill.

So which system do you recommend? Any suggestion on sensor placement would be greatly appreciated as well. I've attach photos showing examples of my audi's front and rear design. Thanks in advance for any input.

crazyVOLVOrob
04-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Well the Escort zr4 or zr3 is out of the question because the Stalker LZ1 is a threat to you and those jammers are horrible against that gun unless you use VEIL. But if you want to continue the set-up you have then you can purchase another Zr3 they are only $250 now as Escort is trying to clear their inventory

Personally I would recommend the Laser Interceptor since VEIL is out of the question for you.

I have yet to see an LED jammer perform well WITHOUT veil.

speed-dreams
04-20-2009, 05:07 PM
A ZR3 with veil and no front plate will get you JTG performance against the UL and TS... This is based on a testing done on an A4 similar front end to yours... but the Stalker would make any ZR3 sh1ets its pants... If you don't want veil, go with a more powerful jammer like the LI

ratherbflyn
04-20-2009, 07:08 PM
Thanks for the quick response guys.

I forgot to mention I have HID low beams and halogen high beams. I routinely keep my low beams on regardless of time of day. So a couple questions in that regard...if I can find headlight covers and veil them will that help? Will veil do much to headlight brightness? I've also read mixed reviews on whether or not HID lights inhibit laser somewhat when turned on...any experience there?

Stealth Stalker
04-20-2009, 07:49 PM
I second the LI recommendation on this particular car, since Veil is only a reluctant option. This new revelation about headlight washers being a problem for Veil changes many recommendations. You could do a Blinder M45 with similar results, but about the same cost and a more complicated install.

The lowest level of the grille, as widely spaced as possible, would be the preferred LI head locations.

The whole HID effect thing is quite variable, and is nothing to be considered when adding up your defences. If you get a little boost from them, great. It's a bonus. But again, don't count on it because it is not consistent.

ratherbflyn
04-20-2009, 07:58 PM
I was afraid you'd all say that. OK, guess I'll have to save for the LI. Stalker, you mean the lowest part of the upper grill?

Stealth Stalker
04-20-2009, 08:07 PM
Stalker, you mean the lowest part of the upper grill?
Yes, the main grille with the Audi rings. The lowest slit before the bumper. That seems to be the best place to get close to your headlights without sacrificing any plate coverage.

ratherbflyn
04-20-2009, 08:21 PM
OK, thanks guys. So next question is which LI system? Are you guys referring to the HP system or regular system? I would probably go for a quad system since I want the back covered. In that respect, there is really no place but the lic plate area conducive to mounting...I'd have to cut sheet metal any other place.

Stealth Stalker
04-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Well, I am a firm believer in the theory that there is no such thing as overkill in the countermeasures game. But the regular Quad system would do just fine for you, so long as the install is good.

As for the rear heads, it's hard to tell from the photos, but it looks like the slim heads (standard for the rear) would either mount directly to that chrome strip at the bottom of the trunk lid (requiring a little minor metal work, probably best left to a good install shop), or else mounted to flat brackets that slip between the bumper and trunk lid, basically setting them on top of the bumper. Either way is a little more exposed than a plate mount, but the performance is much better, and they can be stealthed with some colour matching tape (red or chrome) to be hardly noticeable.

I know that nobody wants to go to that hassle when it is so easy to just mount them around the plate. I had to learn the hard way myself. But if you don't, you'll get rude punch-through on your tail lights.

crazyVOLVOrob
04-20-2009, 08:43 PM
OK, thanks guys. So next question is which LI system? Are you guys referring to the HP system or regular system? I would probably go for a quad system since I want the back covered. In that respect, there is really no place but the lic plate area conducive to mounting...I'd have to cut sheet metal any other place.
We are refering to the Regular system the HP is meant for putting 2 heads on the front and rear on a F350 pickup

A regular LI will suit you just fine with 2 heads front and back

Here are your options
A- Being the best one
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e12/crazyVOLVOrob/rear.jpg

B) second best and involves some frabrication
http://mem-tek.com/radar/Atlanta_jammer_test_2008/pictures/jammer_installations/RSATMANS_REAR_LI_1000x740.jpg

crazyVOLVOrob
04-20-2009, 08:45 PM
I know that nobody wants to go to that hassle when it is so easy to just mount them around the plate. I had to learn the hard way myself. But if you don't, you'll get rude punch-through on your tail lights. Thats cause there is a large distance between where you mounted and the lights were on a different plane

ratherbflyn
04-21-2009, 08:36 AM
I can figure out a way to make option A work for the back. At worst, I'll have to drill a couple more holes with weather-proof grommets and use plugs to conceal the holes if I ever sell the car. I maybe be able to use the lic plate light hole if I'm luckly. I'm guessing the 500' will be the min distance any cop will be shooting me from the back (we have long open on-ramps to I5). Will that option get them close enough to the tail lights, or do I need to use veil on the back?

crazyVOLVOrob
04-21-2009, 09:21 AM
I can figure out a way to make option A work for the back. At worst, I'll have to drill a couple more holes with weather-proof grommets and use plugs to conceal the holes if I ever sell the car. I maybe be able to use the lic plate light hole if I'm luckly. I'm guessing the 500' will be the min distance any cop will be shooting me from the back (we have long open on-ramps to I5). Will that option get them close enough to the tail lights, or do I need to use veil on the back?
I am willing to bet that you will be fine in the rear without VEIL on the back but it certainly would help. But the only true way is to find someone with a laser gun to test out your set-up

bradthemad
04-21-2009, 11:42 AM
crazyVOLVOrob, have you tested slim LI heads mounted vertically alongside the license plate? Mine did very poorly in that configuration; against the UL it was like having no rear heads at all. Once moved to a horizontal position, they work much better. Just curious to hear if somebody has actually had better results than I did with the vertical heads.

Cherokee Driver
04-21-2009, 11:58 AM
Hello,

Not telling you want to do but I would wait for the brand new Blinders because they are kicking butt and I waiting for the final results also before I buy also. Before you spend all that money on a LI you can save more money and get the Blinder for the front and rear. Be patient for the final Blinder version and if that fails then the LI will be the best bet.

Putting the heads in the lower air grill on your A6 is asking for trouble. Those headlights are far away from lower grill, because those headlights can be picked off in a worst case scenerio like if a cop can only your headlight due to a blocking car infront of you. If the jammer can not detect the lidar beam it can not jam...not even a LI.

So basically putting them in your lower grill left and right of your plate is not a good location for over all protection.

Having them in the center grill will protect your lights and centermass and give you better over all protection.

Take your center grill out and take your time and those heads will fit nice and level in your center grill.


http://www.radardetector.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=723&stc=1&d=1240336421

crazyVOLVOrob
04-21-2009, 12:20 PM
crazyVOLVOrob, have you tested slim LI heads mounted vertically alongside the license plate? Mine did very poorly in that configuration; against the UL it was like having no rear heads at all. Once moved to a horizontal position, they work much better. Just curious to hear if somebody has actually had better results than I did with the vertical heads.
I am just going by what I have been told to be better from Ivan but if your results are better horizontal than I would recommend that. For some reason I believe Ivan was marketing the rear heads to be mounted verticlely but if horizontal is what you experience I would go with that. I was just thinking cause the original poster does not have the euro plate area that some of out euro cars do to make rear protection easy.

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The production version of this new Blinder has issues with the Laser Atlanta laser gun one that was conquered years ago. LED powered jammers all no matter who makes them need VEIL and with headlight washers you do run an issue of VEIL wearing off every 6 months. But keep in mind VEIL comes with 10 applications so you will have it pretty much the lifetime of your ride.

Why overall your placement of your current Zr3's isn't the best you still have yet to get a ticket using it so obvious that position still is effective

speed-dreams
04-21-2009, 12:51 PM
I was afraid you'd all say that. OK, guess I'll have to save for the LI. Stalker, you mean the lowest part of the upper grill?
What's your budget? are you looking for the current best, or just for ticket saving performance?
If you're caught between LI and/or Blinder. Let's say hypothetically, that both JTG to everything with that aside. If you're on low budget get Blinder.
I hate to make the comparions but that's how I see it, the best selling point of the LI vs Blinder are:
1) Voice ID recognition,. it can tell you which gun the LEO is using against you.
2) LI is easier to upgrade since you only send in your CPU to get new upgrades available for new lidars.

ratherbflyn
04-21-2009, 01:56 PM
Horizonal mounting on the rear will be a challenge w/o cutting metal. Depending on how wide they are, I could put them side by side above the lic plate, but that'd be like having a single sensor. Otherwise the bottom of the bumper looks like the only other place.

In answer to Speed's question, ticket saving performance is all that matters to me. Anything more would just be icing on the cake.

My budget was $400 until I saw the recommendations, so it's now the minimum to get the results I need...ticket saving and clean, stealthy install.

BTW, do both the blinder and LI systems have a jammer defeat button? Seems to me that without turning off the jammer once you've slowed down is just begging the cop to pull you over to check you out. I realize that laser jammers are not illegal in OR, but I've discovered that most of the locals don't know many of the laws very well and could still create real hassels for me.

speed-dreams
04-21-2009, 02:11 PM
Horizonal mounting on the rear will be a challenge w/o cutting metal. Depending on how wide they are, I could put them side by side above the lic plate, but that'd be like having a single sensor. Otherwise the bottom of the bumper looks like the only other place.

In answer to Speed's question, ticket saving performance is all that matters to me. Anything more would just be icing on the cake.

My budget was $400 until I saw the recommendations, so it's now the minimum to get the results I need...ticket saving and clean, stealthy install.

BTW, do both the blinder and LI systems have a jammer defeat button? Seems to me that without turning off the jammer once you've slowed down is just begging the cop to pull you over to check you out. I realize that laser jammers are not illegal in OR, but I've discovered that most of the locals don't know many of the laws very well and could still create real hassels for me.
Every jammer produced currently have a kill switch

ratherbflyn
04-21-2009, 02:22 PM
Speed, only reason I asked is because the laser mask didn't appear to have one when I was doing research...doesn't even appear to have a display of any sort.

Something that Cherokee Driver suggested ref front install in another thread spark a thought. There is no chrome around the windshield on my Audi and it's ot a pretty good slope to it. I rarely have the roof rack mounted and probably won't be speeding (much) if I did. The side view mirrors are also very rounded on the front side. So does this make the top end of the car less prone to PT and open up the option of mounting the sensors in the lower, outer grills...or would they still be too far from the headlights?

speed-dreams
04-21-2009, 02:33 PM
Speed, only reason I asked is because the laser mask didn't appear to have one when I was doing research...doesn't even appear to have a display of any sort.

Something that Cherokee Driver suggested ref front install in another thread spark a thought. There is no chrome around the windshield on my Audi and it's ot a pretty good slope to it. I rarely have the roof rack mounted and probably won't be speeding (much) if I did. The side view mirrors are also very rounded on the front side. So does this make the top end of the car less prone to PT and open up the option of mounting the sensors in the lower, outer grills...or would they still be too far from the headlights?
I tested an Audi S4 with a set of ZR3s+veil and no front plate, and it gave the UL and TS JTG...

ratherbflyn
04-22-2009, 03:31 PM
Too bad the cops use the Stalker in OR...I'd be able to just stick with the ZR3/4. Given your experience with that set up though, it sounds like the blinder or laser mask might work for me too...as long as I use veil on the headlights, plate and any chrome.

Don't mean to drag this out, but if I can get ticket busting performance for less $$ than a quad LI system, then I'd be interested in such alternatives. I don't need JTG performance.

Stealth Stalker
04-22-2009, 04:45 PM
Don't mean to drag this out, but if I can get ticket busting performance for less $$ than a quad LI system, then I'd be interested in such alternatives. I don't need JTG performance.
I'm sure to get an argument from cVr over this (since he is such a Blinder fanboy :D ), but I have to disagree with your theory. You DO need JTG performance, because you never know how the enemy is going to engage you. You don't know what distance they are going to ambush you at. Are you going to settle for 300 foot performance and get pwn3d at 270 feet? That is fail. What about if your jammer works good to 200 feet, and you get engaged at 300 feet? Do you know for sure you can lose the necessary MPH before you reach 200 feet?

JTG in testing is just a label. It does not mean that you are guaranteed JTG in the real world. If you don't have JTG security in testing, then you're taking a big gamble with your investment. That doesn't mean you need an LI. It just means that you need whatever product will give you JTG protection, whatever it may be.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH PROTECTION! A little protection is like a little karate. It gives you just enough confidence to get your arse kicked.

crazyVOLVOrob
04-22-2009, 06:09 PM
Don't mean to drag this out, but if I can get ticket busting performance for less $$ than a quad LI system, then I'd be interested in such alternatives. I don't need JTG performance.
I'm sure to get an argument from cVr over this (since he is such a Blinder fanboy :D ), but I have to disagree with your theory. You DO need JTG performance, because you never know how the enemy is going to engage you. You don't know what distance they are going to ambush you at. Are you going to settle for 300 foot performance and get pwn3d at 270 feet? That is fail. What about if your jammer works good to 200 feet, and you get engaged at 300 feet? Do you know for sure you can lose the necessary MPH before you reach 200 feet?

JTG in testing is just a label. It does not mean that you are guaranteed JTG in the real world. If you don't have JTG security in testing, then you're taking a big gamble with your investment. That doesn't mean you need an LI. It just means that you need whatever product will give you JTG protection, whatever it may be.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH PROTECTION! A little protection is like a little karate. It gives you just enough confidence to get your arse kicked.
:uponsoapbox::uponsoapbox::uponsoapbox:

And now that is done.....

I see the point of JTG performance and why people want it feel they need it. I have yet to run into a real life encounter where I needed it but it is more comfortable knowing my set-up can do that. The LI out of the box will give you that security if mounted correctly. I have found to get that type of performance out of LED jammers I had to spend hours perfecting my set-up.

There is no such thing as too much protection!!!!

To the original poster....
LI quad with give you Front and rear protection...Where as a Blinder m45 will only give you full front protection.

So the added price you are paying goes to protect your rear