Jammer Advice for BMW 328XI

[sonny03106]

I dont have any Jammers yet. I have a BMW 328XI Gray color. I need something that I can count on. I dont need JTG. I just need enough time to slow down. I am leaning toward M45 extreme all 4 heads in front and M25 extreme with both heads in the back. AND PROFETIONALLY installed. Would this do the job?

My other option is regular LI with 4 head in front and maybe the Blinder M25 in the back???? HELP. I am sooo confused :)

[Stealth Stalker]

The most cost effective way to go, easiest to install, and best performing option would be to simply get an LI quad, with two heads front and two heads rear.

The rear is typically harder to protect than the front, although I am not positive that this applies to your particular car since I don't keep up with BMWs. Anyhow, you don't want to cheap out on your rear protection.

A Blinder M45 would also give you great performance on the front end, probably comparable to the LI dual. The only problem is trying to get four heads on a BMW front end, which has very few mounting options.

The new Blinder coming out in a few weeks *might* turn out to be enough to give you excellent protection at a better price than the LI, but we won't know for sure til it is out and tested. If saving a few hundred dollars is a serious concern, then I'd wait for that.

Just bear in mind that a silver BMW can be tricky to protect, so get the notion of "I don't need JTG performance" out of your head. You NEVER know how close the officer is going to engage you at. And typically it is 500 feet or less, not huge distances. So unless you want to spend a thousand dollars and still get pwn3d, yes, you DO need JTG performance. Setting for nothing less.

[SpeedinLancer]

Your not going to be able to properly mount 4 heads on a BMW without cutting into the grill. I would also suggest an LI dual and maybe veil for an extra cushion of protection, silver is hard to protect.

and sometimes the "professionals" have no idea what they are doing/talking about. I once had a shop owner try to sell me the forbidden brand and only 1 head, he was trying to convince me that it would be more then enough protection. So, just educate yourself and be careful.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Blinder M45 J17sc 2 heads front and rear will most likely offer Ticket saving performance
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/blinder-laser-jammers/46110-blinder-m45-j15-j16-jtg-jfgd-my-laser-atlanta-speedlaser2.html

[sonny03106]

WOW you guys are great. These are some great suggestions. cutting into the grill hah. I guess I have to do what I have to do. My only concern is I just dont want it to be obvious and get some cops on my A#$$ :)
A new Blinder. I just read about it. That means I have to wait another 4 or so weeks. :mad: Maybe I can get in touch with someone in that company and see exactely how long I would have to wait.
I took a picture of my car but left it at home (I am at work right now). what I upload it so you guys can take a look. Maybe you guys can then give me more advice?

[snoopyc4]

get LI dual and go to Car toys to get the installation done

[sonny03106]

If you think LI dual is good enough then Quad is definately will be more than enough. My only concen is if 2 head in the front is good enough? I was thinking 3 in front and 1 in the back. but Stealth pointed out that I should also worry about the back. So I guess 1 is not good enough for the back. IF 2 in the front is good enough then the choice is clear. WHy am I concerned with 2 in the front you ask? I saw this program someone wrote in this Forum that you punch in the distance where the laser is being shot and it will give you the radius of the beam. I did some quick calculation and noticed that 2 heads in the front will not protect all the front including the fog lights. Is my concern valid???

[SpeedinLancer]

I would say that 2 heads in the front for your car would be more then enough. Law enforcement typically aims at the front plate or the headlights and if that doesn't work they will try center mass (typically this is how it goes) So if you don't think that the quad Li will be enough protection I would suggest buying 2 laser shields and a canister of veil. Veil the inside part of the laser shield and the headlights/tailights and you will be golden.

Post the picture of your car and we can help with mounting options.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

If you think LI dual is good enough then Quad is definately will be more than enough. My only concen is if 2 head in the front is good enough? I was thinking 3 in front and 1 in the back. but Stealth pointed out that I should also worry about the back. So I guess 1 is not good enough for the back. IF 2 in the front is good enough then the choice is clear. WHy am I concerned with 2 in the front you ask? I saw this program someone wrote in this Forum that you punch in the distance where the laser is being shot and it will give you the radius of the beam. I did some quick calculation and noticed that 2 heads in the front will not protect all the front including the fog lights. Is my concern valid???
2 LI heads is all you will need for the front for total protection
And then put 2 LI heads on the rear and you are covered....

Trust me I have an LI quad with 2 heads up front on my silver flat nosed volvo and 2 heads in the back

A Blinder M25 2-heads up front will also save you tickets and even give you JTG performance:eek:

[th3 factory freak]

OP: what are you doing about radar detection? ;)

[sonny03106]

OP: what are you doing about radar detection? ;)

You are good. You figured out that I have no clue on this stuff:) I used to have a $40 cobra LONG time ago. Last I had a detector was 10 years ago:o So I am also in the market for a top of the line detector. I am looking for advice on that area too:D

[snoopyc4]

stay away from cobras. they only give u a false sense of security. get a V1

[sonny03106]

yep. that is the one I am leaning towards. I was trying to decide between STI driver and V1. Looks like I can interface V1 with LI pretty easily (according to LI's website).
Anyone can tell me what they think about STI driver versus V1?

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Eh the interface with the LI sucks balls to be honest. You just hear that the detector is alerting and not the ramp up. Plus the detector is in dark mode so you don't see the display arrows and such

The BEL STi is a great detector and is a must if you are driving through area's where detectors are illegal

[M6D]

Your not going to be able to properly mount 4 heads on a BMW without cutting into the grill. I would also suggest an LI dual and maybe veil for an extra cushion of protection, silver is hard to protect.

Not sure I agree with this one. I have four heads up front on my BMW plus a radar antenna. I use MEM-TEK modified ZR4s on the corners, LIs at the 1/4 marks and also have an external radar antenna in the middle. I looked at a 328xi - no reason to cut the grill at all.

Also, I've had better luck with my V1 than my Escort products for radar detection.

[sonny03106]

I dont have to worry about the radar detector being detected. I live in NH and work in Mass. No problem as far as the dectection goes. I need better performance all around. I have been hearing lots of people realy like their V1's.
Here is the pics from back and front of my car as an attachment. I still have not figured out how to include the pic right in the message rather than an attachment. Still think I can get away with LI QUAD (2 in front and 2 in the back)?
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thanks a lot

[crazyVOLVOrob]

LI Quad and V1/9500i/9500xi would be a great combination.

I would go with the 9500 if you do alot of driving through cities other wise the V1

[djrams80]

I need better performance all around. I have been hearing lots of people realy like their V1's.Just to give you a different perspective, my V1 is my least favorite RD.

I own a 9500ci, which is amazingly sensitive. On almost every encounter, it beats my V1, sometimes by a large margin. Also, with TrueLock, it very rarely alerts, unless the threat is real. Very few false alerts. Basically, when it goes off, it's time to slow the f**k down. The odds of a TrueLock failure for me is very small, since very few encounters I've had are K band or X band. The 9500ci also warns me of RLCs and speed cameras. I've always been a huge fan of remote mounted RDs, because if they are installed properly, they are very difficult to steal and also difficult for a LEO to spot if you get pulled over. Spectre invisibility is also a plus.

I also own 2 9500ix's. These are very similar to my 9500ci, but are windshield mounted, lack the 9500ci's laser jammers and less sensitive than my 9500ci.

I also own a V1. I love the V1's arrows, but I live in an area with a very large amount of false alerts. My V1 is super noisy around town, even with the maximum K band automute settings and X band turned off. The arrows are also not reliable in town, because radar signals bounce off of buildings and such, which confuses the V1. It's my opinion that the V1 is an excellent highway RD, but pretty obnoxious around town. I run my V1 all the time in my car with X and K band turned off, which basically relegates it to a complimentary role to my 9500ci. Basically, it adds arrows to my overall setup. To be fair to the V1, it did completely save my ass once when it detected an I/O shot that my 9500ci totally missed, although the opposite of this has also happened a couple of times.

Anyways, that's just an alternative opinion.

[SpeedinLancer]

Your not going to be able to properly mount 4 heads on a BMW without cutting into the grill. I would also suggest an LI dual and maybe veil for an extra cushion of protection, silver is hard to protect.

Not sure I agree with this one. I have four heads up front on my BMW plus a radar antenna. I use MEM-TEK modified ZR4s on the corners, LIs at the 1/4 marks and also have an external radar antenna in the middle. I looked at a 328xi - no reason to cut the grill at all.

Also, I've had better luck with my V1 than my Escort products for radar detection.


I don't see where you could mount it high from the pictures posted. You could mount it down on the lower part of the grill but wouldn't that leave things unprotected? If I had that car I would like to mount 2 on the upper grill as far left and as far right as I could get it and then I would mount 2 staggered heads on the lower part of the car to offer more protection for the plate.

I would like to see your install, I am picturing all 4 heads down low, correct?

[sonny03106]

Crap. back to sqare one with the detectors. :mad: I guess I need some more opinions on that subject. But I am sold on the LI quad. I am 50% there :Banane42:

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Guys I hate to inform the people here but cops are trained to aim center mass for the plate not immediately on the headlights.

Forum Member AirMoore mounted his Blinder heads on the underside of the bumper and got JTG CM shots which is the ultimate goal.

The LI will perform fine on the iunderside of the bumper. I have JTG performance with my LI

[SpeedinLancer]

Right, I agree with that. I was simply posing the question of not leaving anything exposed. It's like wearing half a condom, yes.. it's doing it's job.. kind of.

[speed-dreams]

Right, I agree with that. I was simply posing the question of not leaving anything exposed. It's like wearing half a condom, yes.. it's doing it's job.. kind of.
If you want to not leave anything exposed then get a quad LI and put it in front :D
the ultimate goal is a ticket saving performance setup... I ran a single head for over a year and PTs on HL were 250ft... saves me more than with my dual now...

[M6D]

I would like to see your install, I am picturing all 4 heads down low, correct?
There are several pictures of my install on the boards, but yes, all 4 heads are mounted low. I get good performance with that setup.

[category4]

The LI quad, 2 front and 2 rear will give at least ticket saving performance and most likely JTFG performance if properly mounted and tweaked for optimal locations.

With a jammer like the LI you don't need to worry about laser detection (one of the V1's strong points) so any of the top of the line RD will serve you well. If redlight cameras are a concern I would go with the 9500ix if you want a windshield mount detector. If you want the remote mount detector get the 9500ci, as DJ said it's the best of the best.

If you mostly do a lot of highway driving, very little city then go with the V1. The only downside to the V1 is it alerts to every radar source out there and most of them a false alerts (door openers, security systems, etc.).

[snoopyc4]

Crap. back to sqare one with the detectors. :mad: I guess I need some more opinions on that subject. But I am sold on the LI quad. I am 50% there :Banane42:

keep in mind, a 9500ci costs $1599.95 whereas the V1 costs $399 :D But hey, nothing beats the 9500ci when it comes to radar sensitivity

[sonny03106]

I do alot of highway driving. probably 85-90%. I need something that does the best in the highway. Everyone is telling me V1 for highway. How about 9500i or 9500ix? they are the same price as the V1. Is there alot of difference between these 2 and 9500ci beside the ZR4 jammers?

[sonny03106]

get LI dual and go to Car toys to get the installation done

Hey Snoopy, why did you recommand Car Toys? How do you know about them? Are they experienced in Laser Jammers installation?

[snoopyc4]

get LI dual and go to Car toys to get the installation done

Hey Snoopy, why did you recommand Car Toys? How do you know about them? Are they experienced in Laser Jammers installation?

i had the car toys ppl do the install on my truck. It was a great install. They kno wat theyre doing. Unlike most installers, they kno not to install the jammer heads behind ANYTHING. All u have to is tell them where u want everything setup and theyll do it.

[Stealth Stalker]

I do alot of highway driving. probably 85-90%. I need something that does the best in the highway. Everyone is telling me V1 for highway.
No doubt. Hands down for the highway. Nothing else comes close for highway use.


How about 9500i or 9500ix? they are the same price as the V1.
No, they are $100 more than the V1, not as sensitive, not as fast, and have no direction finding capabilities. Total loss.


Is there alot of difference between these 2 and 9500ci beside the ZR4 jammers?
Yes. The CI is a remote mounting system with probably twice the range of the one-piece IX. Many of us believe the CI exceeds the point of diminishing returns on range though, where that extra range isn't particularly useful to you.

In the city is the only place where any of the 9500s have any benefit over a V1, and even then those benefits fall short of the V1.

[snoopyc4]

No, they are $100 more than the V1, not as sensitive, not as fast, and have no direction finding capabilities. Total loss.


dont let CJR238 see this :D

[sonny03106]

these are some great points and suggestions. THANK YOU. You guys are awsom. I think I am sold on the V1. :thumb2:I am all good to go. LI Quad, V1 and the interface between them. There was one person that didnt think the interface between V1 and LI is good. I might wait on the interface. BUT all set with the jammer and the detector part. Someone told me that I can only buy V1 directely from their website. Is that true?

[Stealth Stalker]

There was one person that didnt think the interface between V1 and LI is good. I might wait on the interface.
I honestly cannot think of a single reason why anyone would want to interface a V1 with the LI. I see no benefit to it whatsoever, and multiple serious drawbacks. But there seem to be so many idiots who think that integration is a selling point for the 9500/ZR4 system that I guess LI was just responding to that nuttiness. Can't blame them for that. Hell, if there are people stupid enough to demand and buy it, why not?


Someone told me that I can only buy V1 directely from their website. Is that true?
Correct. You might find one used or bootlegged, but of course you get zero warranty or customer support with that.

[sonny03106]

Thanks Stealth. No integration for me for ONE YEAR :). Now that I am all set with this thread (I am 100% satisfied with my desitions) what should I do? Close it? remove it? I dont even know if you can delete it or not. OR... what is the process?

[Stealth Stalker]

Old threads never die. They just slowly fade into oblivion.

But if for some personal reason you want it deleted, we can do that.

[M6D]

I'm going to point out that my 9500ci has been a disappointment. The range is at best comparable to the V1 - there is no discernible difference to me. The lockout feature is the only reason it's still on the car (that and the MEM-TEK modified ZR4s).

[category4]

I'm going to point out that my 9500ci has been a disappointment. The range is at best comparable to the V1 - there is no discernible difference to me. The lockout feature is the only reason it's still on the car (that and the MEM-TEK modified ZR4s).


Mine on the other hand has been terrific. I don't know if i got a weak V1 or a hot 9500ci but I would not give up the ci for anything. If I had to give up one it would be the V1, but I would not want to. I love arrows in spec mode.

[sonny03106]

Old threads never die. They just slowly fade into oblivion.

But if for some personal reason you want it deleted, we can do that.

nop. no personal reason. Actually this may help another newcomer to decide on a jammer and a detector.

[DrCoke]

Im running 9500CI in Spec mode and V1 really for the arrows. Dam i love them arrows on the highway. Spec Mode will let you know what gun they are using and the V1 arrows/bogy counters freakin own the highway. My 9500CI almost always beat the V1 but its not worth the diffrence in price. At most 3 seconds diffrence. If you can get someone in your area to lidar you for the "pre-install" you can see if you want 2LI in front and 2 LI rear or 3 LI up front and 1 LI rear above the rear plate and veil them tail lights. I pesonally with that BMW will go 3 LI up front and 1 LI in the rear with veil rear lights since there is a wild guess 90% chance of front lidar hits. 1 LI head next to the fog light corners and 1 LI right in the middle of the front bumper or grill.

[djrams80]

I'm going to point out that my 9500ci has been a disappointment. The range is at best comparable to the V1 - there is no discernible difference to me. The lockout feature is the only reason it's still on the car (that and the MEM-TEK modified ZR4s).


Mine on the other hand has been terrific. I don't know if i got a weak V1 or a hot 9500ci but I would not give up the ci for anything. If I had to give up one it would be the V1, but I would not want to. I love arrows in spec mode.I feel the same way. My 9500ci is the backbone of everything. By itself, it can easily handle just about everything. My LI and V1 are added to the 9500ci for information, overkill and redundancy.

[Stealth Stalker]

Well, according to DJ's latest tests of the V1 against the 9500ci, the average difference in alert distance between the two is 0.3 miles. Now, speaking practically (and not theoretically), what benefit is it to you to receive your Ka alert from 2.7 miles away as opposed to 2.5 miles away? Especially in the urban environment, where there is a good chance that you'll be making a turn or getting off the freeway before you even travel that 2.7 miles? That 0.3 miles is worth $1200 extra dollars? That breaks down to $533 dollars per tenth of a mile difference! I don't care if you're making a high six-figure salary, that just doesn't make any sense on any level.

Live by the numbers, die by the numbers. And the numbers say that the 9500ci is a total waste of $1200 dollars. You could make a lot better argument for a 9500ix being worth the money than the 9500ci.

[category4]

Well, according to DJ's latest tests of the V1 against the 9500ci, the average difference in alert distance between the two is 0.3 miles. Now, speaking practically (and not theoretically), what benefit is it to you to receive your Ka alert from 2.7 miles away as opposed to 2.5 miles away? Especially in the urban environment, where there is a good chance that you'll be making a turn or getting off the freeway before you even travel that 2.7 miles? That 0.3 miles is worth $1200 extra dollars? That breaks down to $533 dollars per tenth of a mile difference! I don't care if you're making a high six-figure salary, that just doesn't make any sense on any level.

Live by the numbers, die by the numbers. And the numbers say that the 9500ci is a total waste of $1200 dollars. You could make a lot better argument for a 9500ix being worth the money than the 9500ci.


Depends on how fast you are going, you might need that extra .3 miles to slow down before coming in LEO range.:D

I am not so much worried about the extra sensativity picking it up .3 miles earlier, I'm looking for that weak I/O shot it might pickup.

Any top of the line detector will do fine against CO radar and if the LEO's would promise not to ever use I/O I would feel better about not having my 9500ci. Until that time I will keep the ci and it's extra sensativity. I feel the extra $ were well worth it if only once does it pick up the weak I/O shot the V1 missed (it already has).

[djrams80]

Well, according to DJ's latest tests of the V1 against the 9500ci, the average difference in alert distance between the two is 0.3 miles. Now, speaking practically (and not theoretically), what benefit is it to you to receive your Ka alert from 2.7 miles away as opposed to 2.5 miles away? Especially in the urban environment, where there is a good chance that you'll be making a turn or getting off the freeway before you even travel that 2.7 miles? That 0.3 miles is worth $1200 extra dollars? That breaks down to $533 dollars per tenth of a mile difference! I don't care if you're making a high six-figure salary, that just doesn't make any sense on any level.

Live by the numbers, die by the numbers. And the numbers say that the 9500ci is a total waste of $1200 dollars. You could make a lot better argument for a 9500ix being worth the money than the 9500ci.Most of the difference in cost between the 9500ci and the V1 is due to the fact that the 9500ci is a remote unit and has integrated laser jammers. Remote units have always been much more expensive than windshield mounted units. If Belscort ever decides to make a windshield mounted unit, with the sensitivity of the 9500ci, it certainly will not cost $1600.

[SpeedinLancer]

I would love to have the 9500ci because of the fact that it is a remote mount unit, and the fact that it has extra sensitivity. I can't agree with Category4 more, and if I had the money to do so I would totally get one. I promised myself that the Li would be my last countermeasure for a good long time so my next detector probably won't be until after Valentine's patent runs out. but at any rate, both are great detectors but the 9500ci would be the prefered one if your finances allow.

[category4]

I think the 9500ci requires the use of the V1 as well. While it's extra sensativity is great, it's now proven capability to lock out a real threat slmost requires you have the V1 to make sure this does not happen.

I can't imagine not having them together.

[sonny03106]

Im running 9500CI in Spec mode and V1 really for the arrows. Dam i love them arrows on the highway. Spec Mode will let you know what gun they are using and the V1 arrows/bogy counters freakin own the highway. My 9500CI almost always beat the V1 but its not worth the diffrence in price. At most 3 seconds diffrence. If you can get someone in your area to lidar you for the "pre-install" you can see if you want 2LI in front and 2 LI rear or 3 LI up front and 1 LI rear above the rear plate and veil them tail lights. I pesonally with that BMW will go 3 LI up front and 1 LI in the rear with veil rear lights since there is a wild guess 90% chance of front lidar hits. 1 LI head next to the fog light corners and 1 LI right in the middle of the front bumper or grill.

Ordered the V1 online last night. I should have it the latest on Tuesday. AND I got my LI Quad today. SOO exciting :) I called Car Toys in NH but they told me that they dont install jammers in NH store. I called the dealer that I bought my car from for a recommendation. They recommended auto sounds. I called them and talked to someone in Auto Sounds. Looks like they have installed lots of jammers before.
Now I have to find out where the heads should go. I was originally thinking to put 3 heads in the front and one in the back (as you suggested). But Stealth is saying that don’t compromise the back. Here is what I came up with. 3 heads in front and One in back (in RED Paint) OR 2 back and 2 front (Blue color). OR do I need to buy another LI Dual and put quad in front and dual in back? I would rather not to since that is going to cost another $700. BUT if that is the only way to get 100% protection in back and front then I “might” be able to convince the wife :D
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[djrams80]

Two in the front and two in the back.

[M6D]

Two in the front and two in the back.

Completely agree. 3 in front or LI/Quad and Dual is a waste.

[category4]

Two in the front and two in the rear. I would use the 2 red locations shown on the outsides for the front and the 2 blue locations on the rear.

Then get them tested before putting to much faith in your setup.

[sonny03106]

Everyone (including Cliff) is telling me 2 in front and 2 in back is sufficient. Here is my concern. Someone in this Forum wrote a program that if you punch in the Guns distance from vehicle it gives you the laser width (which I think they mean laser Diameter). At distance of 500 feet the diameter is about 18 inches. Which means the radius is only 9 inches. In my drawing in the RED location in the front of the car the distance between center of the license plate to the head is about 18-22 inches. Does this mean the sensor will not pick up the IR if the license is being aimed at the distance of 500 feet or less? My other question is this. How likely is it that the lidar is being operated at distance of 500 down to 300 or so feet? I am talking about the scenarios where the police is sitting around the corner where they can not be seen above 500 feet or so.

[category4]

I doubt you will have a problem if it's within 22". The only way to lnow for sure is to install them and test your setup. Only testing will show where your weakpoints are if any.

You should test any install before putting too much faith in it.