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chris98891
12-23-2009, 06:51 PM
OK guys, have the V1, getting the LI Quad, now its time for radios.

keep in mind when reading my post/giving me advice, i am entirely new to this, so if i'm very wrong, let me know in any way you deem fit :)

I recently saw the BCT15/X, which sparked my interest. i think the beartracker feature may be very helpful, and i also like the fact that i can monitor multiple cb channels (i'd do 19 and 9) at the same time. now some questions i have about it, how effective would it be in south carolina? here is what i found for SC radios: South Carolina Law Enforcement Agencies (SC - The RadioReference Wiki (http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/South_Carolina_Law_Enforcement_Agencies_(SC))

would that help me at all? i know the bct15 does NOT support digital.
also, since the beartracker theoretically only works within 3 miles, does that mean the CB would only work within that range?

either way, would adding an antenna help? i have a few pictures with the layout and measurements of my car on them, mainly because i want to be cautious about the antenna placement. i'd like subtle, and something that doesnt harm the paint, so i'm thinking a lip mount or a tow hook mount.

SO the main point of my post, should i do CB or bct15? now that CC is shut down, my stream on income is bleh at best, so i'm looking for something cost effective that will give me the best performance without compromising the looks of the interior/exterior of the car.

thanks for any help you can give me!

trailtow
12-23-2009, 06:52 PM
cb all the way

fire65
12-23-2009, 06:57 PM
Definitely the CB. Scanner would not be as helpful, plus a CB setup is a lot cheaper.

stano0098
12-23-2009, 07:03 PM
Definitely the CB. Scanner would not be as helpful, plus a CB setup is a lot cheaper.

X2

CB's are also a lot easier to use. Scanners take some time to get use to them and to understand if the info being transmitted on the scanner could help you avoid a ticket. On CB's the truckers clearly report bear traps.

My opinion is to go with a CB.

chris98891
12-23-2009, 07:07 PM
i know if i got a CB, i would get the one mounted in the trunk for aesthetics reasons, but what could i get away with for antennas? here are the pictures of the rear of my car
http://i50.tinypic.com/zlrcax.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2j43wah.jpg

I have seen people mount the fiberglass antennas in the tow hook, seems like a decent solution for a 3-4ft antenna

i'd really like to get the least noticeable antenna i can get away with for either the lip or tow hook mount, i guess

EDIT: and ive seen some BCT15s going for <$160 after bing cashback, so would that make it any more cost effective because it has the capability of receiving CB?

protias
12-23-2009, 07:38 PM
Definitely go with a CB. I do recommend scanners, but many people do not.

Stealth Stalker
12-23-2009, 07:39 PM
...ive seen some BCT15s going for <$160 after bing cashback, so would that make it any more cost effective because it has the capability of receiving CB?
No. It won't receive very far, and bear reports are a two-way process. Without the ability to talk, the radios usefulness as a countermeasure drops to nearly nil.

chris98891
12-23-2009, 08:55 PM
...ive seen some BCT15s going for <$160 after bing cashback, so would that make it any more cost effective because it has the capability of receiving CB?
No. It won't receive very far, and bear reports are a two-way process. Without the ability to talk, the radios usefulness as a countermeasure drops to nearly nil.

sounds good, CB it is.

does anybody have recommendations on subtle antennas/antenna location combinations?

srtga
12-23-2009, 09:33 PM
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/jhoff/install3.jpg

My Lil' Wil on my car. That coupled with a Uniden 510 or 520 will give you a setup that will serve you well.

CB antennas have to have a "Ground Plane" which directs the energy away from your vehicle. The locations you have in mind would probably work but you'd have trouble setting the SWR because the antenna would be so close to the metal on the rear of your car and the energy from transmitting would be directed right back at the antenna. I also imagine that you'd transmit OK to the rear but wouldn't have squat as far as talking to other CBers out front which is where you REALLY NEED to get your intel from!

A trunk or roof mount would be your best bet. Look at some NMO lip mounts and something like a Maxrad/ Laird 2700. They don't look quite as "CBish", But after you learn how valuable CBs are on the highway it probably won't matter as much.

I've been told the same stuff before but had to try it out on my own to prove it :rolleyes: I've done distance tests both coming and going with antennas on the roof, trunk and bumper and you can't beat the trunk lid for a good compromise between stealth and operation. Roof mounts are best, but... I can't do it :p

We have guys on here with BMWs, MBs, Volvos, Audis, Vettes and Caddys, along with a plethora of really sharp rides :D

Don't sweat it! I had 3 saves this afternoon. 2 fellows rolled right into some I/O traps and got blue light specials right in front of me on I-20:eek::eek:

Good luck, but running a CB is going to require a nerdy looking antenna on your ride to be effective.

Motor On
12-24-2009, 12:25 AM
Start with CB progress to scanner.

If I were you I'd decide what I was willing to spend, how often I'd use the radio and where I'd install it, then make the decision of which radio to get so that it'll fit properly in the car and be durable enough for your level of use. Then I'd get an Antenex C27 or Maxrad 2700, and a NMO trunk lip mount. Paint the whip black with a spray can and nobody will be the wiser, and when it's not in use you can take it down to a fully removeable process in minutes or leave it in a 1-3in tall quick removal in a matter of seconds, depend upon how important looks are at that moment.

I use my CB daily and log about 1-2k mi in an average week, so I'll start with photos of my install. You'll also want to search for bradthemad's install and mrcllusb's install

Left to right, CB, HAM, scanner, painted black a thin steel whip is hardly visible from right in front of the car.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3924406593_81d9d80dab.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2629/3924399625_194a6a73e4.jpg

NMO hitch/lip mount on my MINI Cooper, and the Antenex base, for garages the narrow silver piece unscrews in seconds, I can remove the whole setup for car shows or transfer to another car, no holes needed.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/3909014152_daf6ab89f1.jpg

Because of the heavy use, I got a full size CB, it's got a noise cancelling mic, and an external speaker to help with the volume. You can certainly go smaller, but I've got the same base electrical system and less space than you so the options for the 3 series are pretty extensive. http://www.radardetector.net/forums/scanners-ham-radios-cbs/51177-new-nmo-antenna-cb.html


Remember when it comes to CB, esp in the countermeasure sense, 75% of what you need is good antenna reception.

After you settle into CB, start doing research and get looking into scanners, it's more $$ per save and a much steeper learning curve, but it's also a hobby in it's own right.

chris98891
12-24-2009, 01:08 AM
awesome reply, thanks for giving me model numbers to look up too.

most of my driving is interstate, but its only about 300-500 miles a week. either way, i'm willing to spend enough on a decent system, as i feel i'll use it for the entire drive. thanks again for the help, im probably going to go that same route with the lip mount

has anybody had experience with an all-in-one mike? do you lose a lot of voice quality/features by putting them into the single small screen/unit?

Motor On
12-24-2009, 01:58 AM
awesome reply, thanks for giving me model numbers to look up too.

most of my driving is interstate, but its only about 300-500 miles a week. either way, i'm willing to spend enough on a decent system, as i feel i'll use it for the entire drive. thanks again for the help, im probably going to go that same route with the lip mount

has anybody had experience with an all-in-one mike? do you lose a lot of voice quality/features by putting them into the single small screen/unit?
All in ones sacrifice some power , some models are known for short life speakers, and they tend to lack some of the "nicer" features offered in other models; also you can't upgrade mics and audio quality may be less than clear depend upon models and where you land in manufacturer tolerance.

For the mileage you're putting on, I'd look into the Cobra 25s and 29s, Unidens 68 and 78 series radios, and probably consider a Galaxy while I was at it. Mainly from the stand point you'll be in great position to use the information on the CB regularly and with daily to every other day use in excess of one hour you'll be adjusting the controls more frequently, and likely looking for more finite control. Also I've found that these big radios have a much better and clearer audio quality.

The Cobra 19s and Uniden 510s and 520s tend to lend themselves more toward the road trippers and part time users. Where the information is handy but your use isn't so involved that you're overly concern about the crystal clear sound or the tactile feel of the controls. Of course the bigger radios have the size drawback, but if you look around here you'll find myself, srtga and airmoore to name a few have found effective usable solutions to make larger CBs fit well into smaller cars.

Just more food for thought, and my experiences and opinions. Sparks CB also has a decent informative guide (and if you go to anon handheld CB you will want it peaked and tuned to make sure you get the most out of it). I'll shut up for a little bit and let a few others jump in here with some advice as well.

ASHDUMP
12-25-2009, 08:49 PM
Mine as well keep this great thread going.

I'm also looking into hooking up a CB radio but I'm really only going to use it for recreation. I'd like to keep everything discreet as possible but I know there are limits. I'm looking at the Midland 75 along with a Wilson 1000 Trunklip mount but want to use a smaller antenna. The Wilson comes with a 62" whip but would like to get that down a bit if possible. I guess I would sacrifice performance because, like I said above, its for recreation.

Any thoughts on antennas? I also like the Wilson because it comes in white and my car is white.

chris98891
12-26-2009, 06:36 PM
OK, think i've decided on the CB27 and Cobra 75. trying to find a mount i like as we speak, but i'm thinking i like the one posted here: http://www.radardetector.net/forums/scanners-ham-radios-cbs/51298-cb-volvo-2.html#post612272 the most.

Does everybody buy most of their stuff locally? I'm finding a whole lot of different prices and a whole lot of different reseller ratings online.

chris98891
12-27-2009, 06:25 PM
is the Cb27 really 52"? if so, how badly would that bend at speed?

i've also seen a lot of nice firestik mounts, would i be able to get away with a 3 ft black firestik on my trunk lid?

i just looked at how tall the cb27 would be on my trunk, and its TALL! haha

Limited SLIP
12-28-2009, 11:37 AM
i have the same Laird antenna as Motor On.. like he said easy on and off- I have a different lip mount, but actually like the flexibility of the one he has a lot more, but I like that with the one i have, and with the antenna off, it is barely there. I am in agreement with most of the other folks here- start with the cb, I still have an all-in-one, and with my setup, it works great.

chris98891
12-28-2009, 12:09 PM
sounds good....do you think i could get by with the black tram NMO trunk lip mount? its a little cheaper than the maxrad/antenex alternatives

Limited SLIP
12-28-2009, 12:22 PM
its only about $5 cheaper. for $5 I just went with the laird/antennex one. but thats just me!

chris98891
12-28-2009, 03:06 PM
should i do the
TMB8, Black Mini Trunk Mt - 12’ RG58A/U - No Connector
or the
TMB8PS, Black Mini Trunk Mt - 12’ RG58A/U - PL259 Conn
or the
TMB8U, Black Mini Trunk Mt - 12’ RG58U Solid Center - No Connector

if i am going to use the antenex cb27 with a cobra 75?

last question i promise! haha thanks for all the help guys

sdmills
12-28-2009, 07:15 PM
If your car has an internal AM/FM windshield antenna rather than an external whip, a hood gap mounted antenna is the least conspicuous. The casual onlooker would tend to disregard it as being a standard radio antenna. Here's a picture of one of my vehicles with a Hustler HQ-27 that's hood gap mounted.

http://home.bluemarble.net/~n9emz/Vehicles/best.JPG

However, I prefer function over form in most cases.

voyager7
12-29-2009, 06:42 PM
Here is mine.
Firestik lip mount and FirestikII 3' antenna.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/vger_1701/Antenna004.jpg

bradthemad
12-29-2009, 07:30 PM
is the Cb27 really 52"? if so, how badly would that bend at speed?


About like this:


http://gumball144.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/Waterfest13/Waterfest500/IMG_2382.jpg (http://gumball144.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/Waterfest13/IMG_2382.jpg)

ASHDUMP
12-30-2009, 10:29 AM
Here is mine.
Firestik lip mount and FirestikII 3' antenna.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/vger_1701/Antenna004.jpg

Thanks for taking the picture. Is that thing really 3'? Looks larger.

If possible, would you be able to take another picture like 15' away?

Thank you,

voyager7
12-30-2009, 12:39 PM
Here are a few.
Hope this helps.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/vger_1701/Antenna014.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/vger_1701/Antenna015.jpg

Its 38" with the ground plane, 36" without.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/vger_1701/Antenna013.jpg

sdmills
12-30-2009, 02:49 PM
Just let it all hang out....function over form.

http://home.bluemarble.net/~n9emz/Communications/75m.850small/Smudged.JPG

chris98891
01-10-2010, 11:05 AM
OK guys, got everything installed, was actually surprisingly easy

I got the antenex TMB8 mount, CB27 antenna, and cobra 75. I don't have many pics from the install because my battery recharger caught on fire. but, here are the oens i do have

http://i50.tinypic.com/jttjkw.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/1z4bpmh.jpg

OK, first off, i'm pretty disappointed as it stands.

i tried to get my antenna tuned only to find out i didnt have a solid enough ground, so i'm going back to retry putting in those silver screws/chipping the paint.

did that, drove to columbia, still barely pick up anything. For the entire trip, I got one understandable transmission. i havent tried to transmit yet because i havent tuned the antenna. what i suspect may be the causes?

the antenna wire traces the door sills of the car, which also shares that real estate with a low gauge power wire running from the battery in the trunk to the hood. the cobra 75, which as it now sits under the passenger seat is powered by a tap into the 12v switched line for the phone harness, and is grounded by the ground wire in the phone harness. Is it possible that that ground isn't good enough for the radio?

i guess ideally, should i hook the radio up in an add-a-circuit in the fusebox with the ground directly attached to the cars ground?

voyager7
01-10-2010, 03:37 PM
I would run a seperate ground to the c.b

chris98891
01-11-2010, 02:08 PM
I would run a seperate ground to the c.b

OK, I'll do that. do you guys think it will affect the reception if the coax is running by a low gauge power wire?

voyager7
01-11-2010, 03:21 PM
Mine is fine that way.

STiMULi
01-12-2010, 12:23 AM
cb all the way

When someone says scanners are not good as a countermeasures I have many saves and many videos that can prove you wrong.

YouTube - Uniden BCT8 as a countermeasure against tickets

YouTube - Waiting for the blind rabbits



When myself and 2 or 3 other high speeders are running together and I hear the State Trooper give away his location as I am a approaching I slow down. The other high speeders ignore the fact that I have slowed and keep flying.

Later on a few miles down the road I am hearing "28s and 29s" being called out over the scanner and it is the speeders that ignored me and my SIGINT.

I get special joy out of that and it is not because they got busted, it is more because without my toys I know that could have been me on the side of the road and if he was deploying the right technique the scanner is the only thing that would have saved me.

For spending money on a limited budget I would say get a CB as you can get plenty of saves off of a CB. Since you can talk to the scanner and it wont talk back it is not as much help in that arena.

The scanner is very helpful depending on your location of travel. Based on my research SC is not digital in the state service so the BCT15X will do the trick.

I will have to spend some time on the "Rules of Speed" primer in my sig updating the scanner section with usability.

I know others will disagree but for the most part a stock CB on channel 19 in a built up area is good for about a mile. In the boonies expect about 3 or 4 miles. On good days you can get 1000s of miles (skip).

I would say that unless you are expecting a roadblock or trying to avoid an accident you do not need more that 2 or 3 miles of look ahead. Much further and things will change or you will forget what you are looking for.

Spend $150 or more on a good CB and antenna setup. Take it to a truckstop radio shop and have them look at it. The Cobra 25/29 are good radios or a UNIDEN PC78 is a better radio once the radio guys get their hands on it.

I am a scanner freak so I will be biased to a scanner. In my state the BeartTracker is very functional plus I have learned some tricks to get even more use out of the scanner. The CB and all the other toys keep me out of trouble as well.

After you get you CB setup buy the BCT15X.

a212606
01-12-2010, 12:21 PM
http://i50.tinypic.com/jttjkw.jpg

What are the screws from the lip mount in this picture screwed into? To me that looks like weather stripping or something. I think they need to be screwed into the metal of the underside of your trunk lid. On mine I had to basically screw right through the paint to the metal, leaving two holes in it when I take the mount off.

chris98891
01-12-2010, 02:39 PM
What are the screws from the lip mount in this picture screwed into? To me that looks like weather stripping or something. I think they need to be screwed into the metal of the underside of your trunk lid. On mine I had to basically screw right through the paint to the metal, leaving two holes in it when I take the mount off.

its the trunk lid, theres a thick metal edge going around the entire top lip of the trunk (i'm guessing to ensure watertightness)

Akosikojak
01-12-2010, 07:37 PM
Just let it all hang out....function over form.

http://home.bluemarble.net/~n9emz/Communications/75m.850small/Smudged.JPG



Damn:eek:, I like those!! So much so I might get me a pair. :D

voyager7
01-13-2010, 09:12 AM
Just let it all hang out....function over form.

http://home.bluemarble.net/~n9emz/Communications/75m.850small/Smudged.JPG



Damn:eek:, I like those!! So much so I might get me a pair. :D

Low overhangs here we come!!

Limited SLIP
01-13-2010, 11:46 AM
the underside of my mount looks just like this- it has two small set screws to hold it in place. i dont even have them in, its a snug fit as is. if they move at all, I'll stick them in..

Limited SLIP
01-13-2010, 11:50 AM
is it possible that that ground isn't good enough for the radio?

i guess ideally, should i hook the radio up in an add-a-circuit in the fusebox with the ground directly attached to the cars ground?

I put extra grounds on myself. I have a fuse box ground, a ground at the cb hardwire connection, a ground at the amp, and a ground at the antenna...

ATF
01-14-2010, 12:13 PM
Chris you figure this out yet so I can copy you.. i mean, start my own setup..

chris98891
01-14-2010, 12:58 PM
Chris you figure this out yet so I can copy you.. i mean, start my own setup..

haha i'm working on it right now, so far i havent gotten the antenna tuned yet, but i have been able to pick up a TINY little bit of chatter over the interstate, way less than expected. I also pick up a decent amount at the truck stops and what not, but that is when i am within a few hundred yards. the cobra 75 is definitely the way to go though, its extremely subtle in the cabin (right now i have the main unit underneath the passenger seat with the cobra 75 mic running between the seat and the console)

i just can't figure out why i can't pick up decent range conversations...AFAIK i have it grounded fine on the trunk lid, and i dont seem to get any interference from the electronics in the car.

and as for power and ground, i have the 75 tapped into the same wires used for the LI CPU, but i am thinking i may transfer the 75 to underneath the glove compartment so it can have its own ground

ATF
01-14-2010, 03:44 PM
I'm thinking about fitting a Uniden 520XL into the rear ashtray. I'm just hung on the mount and antenna.. I wanted to aim for a 3 footer, either the Lil Wil, or something lip mount. I'd only use it for long trips. As for power, I might run something to the ground & positive posts under the hood through the firewall if it's really an issue. It'll depend on how much power the radio needs. Maybe tap the factory stereo head unit.

supercowpowers
01-14-2010, 04:09 PM
Double post. RD.net is really sucking lately.

supercowpowers
01-14-2010, 04:10 PM
Just let it all hang out....function over form.

http://home.bluemarble.net/%7En9emz/Communications/75m.850small/Smudged.JPG



Damn:eek:, I like those!! So much so I might get me a pair. :D

Low overhangs here we come!!

x2. The regular length Wilson 1000 on top of my midsize car (of all things) provided plenty of embarrassment at drive throughs. That setup would extend the fun to every low bridge and road that hasn't had the trees cut back in a while. :laugh:

ATF
01-15-2010, 10:40 AM
Chris,

Why didn't you end up going with a firestik no ground plane mounted to the tow hook? I'm thinking about doing that instead. Top loaded antenna, 4 footer, should clear the roof, and not stick out too much.

I'm just trying to figure out how you'd solve the problem of the antenna slowly unscrewing the tow hook, and then dragging the tip of the antenna into the road.. Loctite blue could hold it in place, but I'd rather not gum up the tow hook threads/hole threads.. Anyone have ideas?

chris98891
01-15-2010, 11:35 AM
Chris,

Why didn't you end up going with a firestik no ground plane mounted to the tow hook? I'm thinking about doing that instead. Top loaded antenna, 4 footer, should clear the roof, and not stick out too much.

I'm just trying to figure out how you'd solve the problem of the antenna slowly unscrewing the tow hook, and then dragging the tip of the antenna into the road.. Loctite blue could hold it in place, but I'd rather not gum up the tow hook threads/hole threads.. Anyone have ideas?

i didnt get to look too heavily into the tow hook to see how feasible it would be to have a connector coming out, as i wouldnt want to keep it in permanently either. did you see weiss's car? he has that same setup i think, but he couldnt come to last years 4ngiefest so i didnt get to look at it.

i also like the thinness of the CB27 versus the firestik,

chris98891
01-15-2010, 11:36 AM
Chris,

Why didn't you end up going with a firestik no ground plane mounted to the tow hook? I'm thinking about doing that instead. Top loaded antenna, 4 footer, should clear the roof, and not stick out too much.

I'm just trying to figure out how you'd solve the problem of the antenna slowly unscrewing the tow hook, and then dragging the tip of the antenna into the road.. Loctite blue could hold it in place, but I'd rather not gum up the tow hook threads/hole threads.. Anyone have ideas?

i didnt get to look too heavily into the tow hook to see how feasible it would be to have a connector coming out, as i wouldnt want to keep it in permanently either. did you see weiss's car? he has that same setup i think, but he couldnt come to last years 4ngiefest so i didnt get to look at it.

i also like the thinness of the CB27 versus the firestik, you cant see it if you're more than a few feet away.

ATF
01-15-2010, 12:42 PM
@ 1:10 you can see a AW e46 Coupe with a Firestik on his tow hook, it doesn't look so bad (obv. I'd go with black).. edit: i think that is weisse's car
YouTube - 4ngiefest 2008: BMWs, Alex Roy, World Record Attempt

I don't really mind the Firestik's thickness, especially since i'll be getting the benefit of a top load antenna. As for installing/removal, I'd only have it on for longer trips, so I'll have time to prep the car. It'll be a ritual! Clean the LI heads, put the antenna on, check all systems and fluids, pack the car and go!

dewby
01-15-2010, 02:01 PM
I think the reason people use the c27 or something similar to that, is to get high performance while maintaining a stealth look. It doesn't really look like a cb antenna like the firestick does. You look at a firestick and anyone would go oh look at that ugly cb atenna, while someone could look at a c27 and be what the hell is that thing?

dewby
01-15-2010, 02:03 PM
Oh btw I have a fiberglass topload and I have had a magnet mount antenna, they are about the same as far as reception is concerned in my opinion.

Motor On
01-15-2010, 02:20 PM
I think the reason people use the c27 or something similar to that, is to get high performance while maintaining a stealth look. It doesn't really look like a cb antenna like the firestick does. You look at a firestick and anyone would go oh look at that ugly cb atenna, while someone could look at a c27 and be what the hell is that thing?
My reasons in order of importance
Preforms very well, I got it cheaper than I would have the equivalent wilson, the NMO mount is interchangeable with my other antennas on my vehicle, it's quieter than the fiberglass whip I'd used before, it's easier to tune than the fiberglass whip, it's almost entirely un-noticeable from 20ft away from my vehicle, it doesn't scream CB

supercowpowers
01-15-2010, 03:31 PM
i didnt get to look too heavily into the tow hook to see how feasible it would be to have a connector coming out, as i wouldnt want to keep it in permanently either. did you see weiss's car? he has that same setup i think, but he couldnt come to last years 4ngiefest so i didnt get to look at it.


Take the tow hook into the hardware store, find a stainless steel nut and star lock washer that fit it. Screw on the nut and insert the tow hook into the car through the washer, screw it in to the desired position, then tighten up the nut. That should provide more load on the threads and make them less likely to slip.

I have never actually done this but it seems like it would work...

ATF
01-15-2010, 04:56 PM
i didnt get to look too heavily into the tow hook to see how feasible it would be to have a connector coming out, as i wouldnt want to keep it in permanently either. did you see weiss's car? he has that same setup i think, but he couldnt come to last years 4ngiefest so i didnt get to look at it.


Take the tow hook into the hardware store, find a stainless steel nut and star lock washer that fit it. Screw on the nut and insert the tow hook into the car through the washer, screw it in to the desired position, then tighten up the nut. That should provide more load on the threads and make them less likely to slip.

I have never actually done this but it seems like it would work...

Hahahaha not possible. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing because I thought the same thing. It's a coarse metric thread. 13x6 if i recall correctly. These tow hooks are beastly (pic of an aftermarket race hook). You can see what the threading is like:
http://www.beastpower.com/products/tcdesign/tc-hooks8-big.jpg

I highly doubt I'm going to find the size at a Home Depot or Lowes

supercowpowers
01-15-2010, 05:53 PM
i didnt get to look too heavily into the tow hook to see how feasible it would be to have a connector coming out, as i wouldnt want to keep it in permanently either. did you see weiss's car? he has that same setup i think, but he couldnt come to last years 4ngiefest so i didnt get to look at it.


Take the tow hook into the hardware store, find a stainless steel nut and star lock washer that fit it. Screw on the nut and insert the tow hook into the car through the washer, screw it in to the desired position, then tighten up the nut. That should provide more load on the threads and make them less likely to slip.

I have never actually done this but it seems like it would work...

Hahahaha not possible. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing because I thought the same thing. It's a coarse metric thread. 13x6 if i recall correctly. These tow hooks are beastly (pic of an aftermarket race hook). You can see what the threading is like:
http://www.beastpower.com/products/tcdesign/tc-hooks8-big.jpg

I highly doubt I'm going to find the size at a Home Depot or Lowes

Well that's a bummer then. Maybe it would be possible to have a machine shop take an appropriately sized rod and cut the threads on it, and find the appropriate nut or tap the threads on one.

voyager7
01-16-2010, 08:23 AM
i didnt get to look too heavily into the tow hook to see how feasible it would be to have a connector coming out, as i wouldnt want to keep it in permanently either. did you see weiss's car? he has that same setup i think, but he couldnt come to last years 4ngiefest so i didnt get to look at it.


Take the tow hook into the hardware store, find a stainless steel nut and star lock washer that fit it. Screw on the nut and insert the tow hook into the car through the washer, screw it in to the desired position, then tighten up the nut. That should provide more load on the threads and make them less likely to slip.

I have never actually done this but it seems like it would work...

Hahahaha not possible. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing because I thought the same thing. It's a coarse metric thread. 13x6 if i recall correctly. These tow hooks are beastly (pic of an aftermarket race hook). You can see what the threading is like:
http://www.beastpower.com/products/tcdesign/tc-hooks8-big.jpg

I highly doubt I'm going to find the size at a Home Depot or Lowes

Try here, or any other store like it. (Industrial supply store)


Grainger Industrial Supply (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/start.shtml)

chris98891
01-16-2010, 07:02 PM
got my first laser jam today on 26 in columbia. drove past an on ramp, doing speed limit because im leading a caravan so i wasnt on the lookout.

probably around 8pm, jammer sequence warning and v1 warning, PL something jammer, couldnt hear the number. went ahead and cut it off asap, then got a full Ka blast.

pretty awesome, actually surprisingly fun, even if i was doing PSL

chris98891
01-23-2010, 03:19 PM
FINALLY got the CB tuned. First off, bad ground on the antenna, as i found out there is a kind of weird putty bead running around the trunk, which i had to cut through, then i found out my dad didnt solder the pl259 connector, so i was running 3.0 at first, now i'm dead 1.0, transmits and receives perfectly.

Motor On
01-25-2010, 10:49 AM
FINALLY got the CB tuned. First off, bad ground on the antenna, as i found out there is a kind of weird putty bead running around the trunk, which i had to cut through, then i found out my dad didnt solder the pl259 connector, so i was running 3.0 at first, now i'm dead 1.0, transmits and receives perfectly.
:thumb2:

dewby
01-25-2010, 12:16 PM
:026: Pics please!

chris98891
01-26-2010, 12:59 PM
battery recharger caught on fire, gotta go buy a new one before i can get pictures up. i noticed that on the interstate, i am getting a LOT of feedback. when i transmit for a radio check, somebody comes back semi clearly with a "loud n clear" but i dont frequently hear full fledged, clear conversations. possibly the location? i mainly drove on 77 from rock hill to cae and on highway 5 when going up to rock hill from gville.

also, how to i use the SQL feature? right now, i keep the volume pretty much full, ST on, and SQL at 0. i'm getting a decent amount of loud white noise as it stands. anybody have any recommendations?

bradthemad
01-26-2010, 02:42 PM
battery recharger caught on fire, gotta go buy a new one before i can get pictures up. i noticed that on the interstate, i am getting a LOT of feedback. when i transmit for a radio check, somebody comes back semi clearly with a "loud n clear" but i dont frequently hear full fledged, clear conversations. possibly the location? i mainly drove on 77 from rock hill to cae and on highway 5 when going up to rock hill from gville.

Many truckers have higher powered radios than 4W, so some of them may have enough power to be within your range of reception, while others may not. Also, it can be hit or miss depending on time of day, location, and random luck as to whether anybody is around and feels like talking.


also, how to i use the SQL feature? right now, i keep the volume pretty much full, ST on, and SQL at 0. i'm getting a decent amount of loud white noise as it stands. anybody have any recommendations?

To answer your SQL query (haha), SQL is the squelch. It is used to mute the sound when there is little or no signal being received, which is the white noise you're hearing. The higher it is set, the louder the signal has to be for it to un-mute. While nobody is talking, slowly turn it up until the background static cuts out. When somebody talks, it should be sufficiently louder than the background noise to override the squelch, so you don't have to listen to static all the time. The level of the background noise can vary a bit, so you may have to tweak the squelch occasionally.

chris98891
01-29-2010, 01:55 PM
OK! me and a buddy drove out to my parking garage and snapped some quick pictures with the P&S, forgive how dirty the car is!

Login to a private Photobucket.com album (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/chris98891/Countermeasures/)

pw is "radardetector"

Motor On
01-29-2010, 02:16 PM
OK! me and a buddy drove out to my parking garage and snapped some quick pictures with the P&S, forgive how dirty the car is!

Login to a private Photobucket.com album (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/chris98891/Countermeasures/)

pw is "radardetector"
Looks good.

chris98891
01-29-2010, 02:32 PM
OK! me and a buddy drove out to my parking garage and snapped some quick pictures with the P&S, forgive how dirty the car is!

Login to a private Photobucket.com album (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/chris98891/Countermeasures/)

pw is "radardetector"
Looks good.

thanks :)

dewby
01-29-2010, 04:38 PM
Sick install for a sick car! Can never go wrong with a 5spd 3 series!

chris98891
02-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Sick install for a sick car! Can never go wrong with a 5spd 3 series!

thanks!

Hey, I'm heading to a car show in ATL and we were trying to get an easy means of communication, and I was wondering what everybody's thoughts were on getting all of them to get Midland 75 handhelds (30 bucks) for the drive down. They wouldnt have to broadcast any farther than the end of our caravan, and I'll have mine with my antenna to monitor farther away.

do you think it'd be a good solution?

Motor On
02-02-2010, 07:46 PM
Yeah kick it off channel 19 so you don't p!$$ off the truckers, and recomend most of them get a little wil that they can ebay after the trip and you should be good, both ends of the caravan will def need external antennas.

chris98891
02-02-2010, 08:17 PM
Yeah kick it off channel 19 so you don't p!$$ off the truckers, and recomend most of them get a little wil that they can ebay after the trip and you should be good, both ends of the caravan will def need external antennas.

wow! i had no idea the antennas would be THAT useless inside the cabin. it'll probably only be 10-15 cars, and we'll be together the whole time.

is there anything cheaper than the midland 75?

bradthemad
02-02-2010, 10:38 PM
For that kind of budget and usage, handheld FRS/GMRS radios maybe? $30/pair and up at Best Buy, among other places.

What car show are you coming down here for?

chris98891
02-03-2010, 12:08 AM
For that kind of budget and usage, handheld FRS/GMRS radios maybe? $30/pair and up at Best Buy, among other places.

What car show are you coming down here for?

I'll look into it, are all the different types of radio compatible if you put them on the same channel?

and were heading down for 4ngiefest in April, weve gone for the past 2 years, broke the world record for longest line of single make cars 2 years ago too. definitely a good time! and its open to pretty much everybody!

bradthemad
02-03-2010, 01:25 AM
Yeah, the little handhelds all use the same standard FRS channels. We've mixed and matched different brands of them at most, if not all, of the Georgia Jammerfest events. Not a ton of range, but there's zero installation, so you're much more likely to get more people to use them.

I, too, was in that line of BMWs up at Braselton, in a borrowed Z4. Didn't make it to 4ngiefest at Stone Mountain, though; I'd had enough of standing around in the rain and just went home.

chris98891
02-03-2010, 11:45 AM
Yeah, the little handhelds all use the same standard FRS channels. We've mixed and matched different brands of them at most, if not all, of the Georgia Jammerfest events. Not a ton of range, but there's zero installation, so you're much more likely to get more people to use them.

I, too, was in that line of BMWs up at Braselton, in a borrowed Z4. Didn't make it to 4ngiefest at Stone Mountain, though; I'd had enough of standing around in the rain and just went home.

That's awesome! What are the chances! The show that year wasn't all that incredible, people showed up at all times and left pretty early

chris98891
02-15-2010, 07:36 PM
ok, took off the antenna and got pretty much 0 static. could that mean its just a helluva lot of interference? i still cant fine tune it to where i can keep the volume up loud enough to hear and not have to mess with the squelch constantly.

front the reviews on this setup, it should be doing excellently, but i still have trouble hearing anything that isn't very nearby and perfectly clear (and the jargon is pretty tough to get used to as well)

Cusp
02-19-2010, 11:12 PM
OK guys, have the V1, getting the LI Quad, now its time for radios.

keep in mind when reading my post/giving me advice, i am entirely new to this, so if i'm very wrong, let me know in any way you deem fit :)

I recently saw the BCT15/X, which sparked my interest. i think the beartracker feature may be very helpful, and i also like the fact that i can monitor multiple cb channels (i'd do 19 and 9) at the same time. now some questions i have about it, how effective would it be in south carolina? here is what i found for SC radios: South Carolina Law Enforcement Agencies (SC - The RadioReference Wiki (http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/South_Carolina_Law_Enforcement_Agencies_(SC))

would that help me at all? i know the bct15 does NOT support digital.
also, since the beartracker theoretically only works within 3 miles, does that mean the CB would only work within that range?

either way, would adding an antenna help? i have a few pictures with the layout and measurements of my car on them, mainly because i want to be cautious about the antenna placement. i'd like subtle, and something that doesnt harm the paint, so i'm thinking a lip mount or a tow hook mount.

SO the main point of my post, should i do CB or bct15? now that CC is shut down, my stream on income is bleh at best, so i'm looking for something cost effective that will give me the best performance without compromising the looks of the interior/exterior of the car.

thanks for any help you can give me!

A two way radio for sending and receiving "smokie" reports is simple to use correctly. But like any technology, one needs to be aware of its limitations. As mentioned it relies on some one else to take the time to report and the receiver has to be in range to get the report. Many things affect CB but the biggest range killer is when the sun spot cycle maxes out and there is withering skip interfering with short range communications. I started out with CB. Used it for a few years. I progressed from AM to SSB with extended channels complete with a "seat warmer". I have done the Smokie report thing. But when I discovered Amateur Radio, I Switched and never looked back. I have been "ham" for 28 years now. Its all and more than I wanted radio for and more.

Scanners work good IF you do your home work. And there is a but of home work to be done. But FM, Voice, Analog (F3A) emissions are fading from the scene especially for entities with government sized budgets.

To the extent that F3A is still in use by LEOs' here are some tips.

You must know what channels the LEOs will be on. Do not just scan the entire band because the loops take to long. You will miss things or never find them in the first place. Good news is, they are on FCC licensed frequencies so can be looked up. Scanner Frequency books can be helpful. Know who you are trying to listen to and enter their channels into your scanner's memory. Then you need to monitor a while. Months are not unreasonable. You need to know how business is conducted. This is possible in your home county but just doesn't work well for those cross country trips. But if you plan your route and enter in the channels ahead of time it can be very effective. A lot of work though. I favor putting the repeater input and simplex frequencies in the scanner instead of the output frequencies and here is why.

I want to know when they are near by. If I am listening to the repeater, they can be in an area the size of 3 counties or more. By scanning the inputs and simplex frequencies, you usually won't hear them unless they are in the vicinity. One of my favorite channels to listen for is the "extender" hand held transceivers if the service in question uses them. They are those walkie talkies that are used to talk through their car using the car as a repeater back to dispatch. They are low power with rubber duck antennas. If your hearing the extender, they are in the neighborhood. Another plus is that the extender is simplex to the car and back. So you can hear both sides.

I haven't used scanners or radios for smokie reports in a very long time. I think my "spidie sense" is developed enough to know when pushing it 10 or 15 over is safe and reasonable. Electronic counter measures are just some of the tools. The other is to keep your eyes scanning and your awareness high. And do not drive like an ass. Those drivers who work their asses off for 15 minutes to gain 15 seconds ahead of where they would have been. If you do, your just asking for the wrong kind of attention and no CB, scanner, radar detector or scrambler will save you.