Tested: Escort RedLine vs. Valentine One

[nosbusa]

Which radar detector is the long-range champ?

Escort RedLine versus Valentine One: Comparison Test and Review. (http://radartest.com/Redline-Valentine-One-Review.asp)

While some may not like the person doing the test. This is (I guess) the only test I've seen of them head to head like this.

Can't wait until GOL does their testing this year.

[Matt]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

[Obsidian]

Which radar detector is the long-range champ?

Escort RedLine versus Valentine One: Comparison Test and Review. (http://radartest.com/Redline-Valentine-One-Review.asp)

While some may not like the person doing the test. This is (I guess) the only test I've seen of them head to head like this.

Can't wait until GOL does their testing this year.

Looks good to me. My Redline beats the V1 on all the K band signs I've tested it against.

Most owner reviews I've read rate the Redline's over the hill and around corner range as excellent, which seems to gel with this test.

[North Alabama]

Do not be fooled in turing off your X band until you check this forum first! :)

[Jag42]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.

[Veri]

Hey, current or former V1 users: does Peterson's commentary as regards superb Ka performance -- especially at 35.5 GHz -- mesh with your own observations of the Redline?

[Stealth Stalker]

While some may not like the person doing the test.
All you have to do is read half the article to see why we don't like him. He's an idiot.


This is (I guess) the only test I've seen of them head to head like this.
That's because he's the only one stupid enough to not realise how invalid this method is.

[nosbusa]

If this test rubs the Administrators, or MODS the wrong way you can delete both threads in the V1 and Escort forum.

I didn't mean to step on any toes, this wasn't my intentions. I came across his forum from Veilguys blog today, and thought it was interesting..

My apologies. :)

[Stealth Stalker]

Nah, we don't do censorship here. Just want to point this guy out for what he is though so people don't mistakenly take his nonsense serious.

[Obsidian]

If this test rubs the Administrators, or MODS the wrong way you can delete both threads in the V1 and Escort forum.

I didn't mean to step on any toes, this wasn't my intentions. I came across his forum from Veilguys blog today, and thought it was interesting..

My apologies. :)

LOL, there is no better way to get the V1 guys fired up than post a Craig Peterson test. :p

[North Alabama]

As fellow members have already reported about the two RDs, the Redline is in the top running with the 35.5 band, we know. But why did that guy leave off the 33.8 band? Smells like a fish! :D

[Stealth Stalker]

Smells like a boatload of fishes. The problems with that article are, what we call in medicine, TNTC.

[djrams80]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.Because Q/T is rare. What good does it do to be able to detect Q/T, if the detector isn't sensitive enough to detect C/O at the range the Q/T shot happened? There are plenty of examples/videos of I/O shots being detected by the more sensitive RD and being missed by the quicker RD.

[bigalinwv]

As fellow members have already reported about the two RDs, the Redline is in the top running with the 35.5 band, we know. But why did that guy leave off the 33.8 band? Smells like a fish! :D

I checked a lot of his old tests, none have 33.8 in the test. Even though I prefer Belscorts, CP is always against the V1. I remember when he picked the Whistler 1490 over the V1 in 2000 (if I'm right). You couldn't sell a 1490 on Fleabay for $10 now, yet a V1 from 2000 would still get at least $250.

That being said, my experiences with my Redline and my V1.8 show even more toward the Redline. The only Ka around here is 35.5 and 33.8. On K band and 35.5, it's not even close, on 33.8, it's not a nail-biter. The Redline is a jaw dropper.

[nine_c1]

Well..........on one hand, thats about the most favorable review this guy has ever done on the Valentine One.

The rub is that he only acknowledges the V1's great sensitivity on Ka band after years of shortchanging this detector. I guess now that Escort does have a marvelously sensitive windshield mount in the RedLine, he finally felt secure in admitting how good the V1 is.:confused:

The test itself just seems fabricated to me though. Fourteen mile detections! We have several posters that transit the deserts and have not seen more than 7 miles at best.:rolleyes: I actually believe the average user will see a much larger performance difference on Ka band between the V1 and RedLine than what his "tests" indicate ESPECIALLY around bends and over hills. I dunno.......maybe I just have a real hot RedLine.

And the BS about the V1 falsing 4x the RedLine!:confused: That is total nonsense! My RedLine, in Highway mode, falses MORE than the V1 on K-Band sensors because it is more sensitive than the V1 on K-Band!!! Since it's impossible for any RD to differentiate real Radar from a door sensor, it's also impossible for one to be more sensitive to the real thing while ignoring the motion sensors. Why does this guy continously attempt to shovel $hit ?

Bottom line..........after years of fudging the numbers, I cannot bring myself to believe anything this guy has to say about any RD........good or bad!

Edit: Just one more gripe. Even now, after years and years of testing the world's best detectors, the world's formost expert on RD's Still hasn't learned how to program a V1! I say it's time to throw in the towel CP!

[Obsidian]

He's anti-V1 for sure, but he was fair to the thing this time ....


Regardless of some hiccups, for both detectors all of these numbers are superb. Testing two overachievers like these is like evaluating F1 drivers. Fewer than two dozen people in the world are first-rank and even the race-losers have world-class talent.

[Unkind]

This makes me sick, wish I had a Redline :p

[rocky2]

And the BS about the V1 falsing 4x the RedLine!:confused: That is total nonsense! My RedLine, in Highway mode, falses MORE than the V1 on K-Band sensors because it is more sensitive than the V1 on K-Band!!! Since it's impossible for any RD to differentiate real Radar from a door sensor, it's also impossible for one to be more sensitive to the real thing while ignoring the motion sensors. Why does this guy continously attempt to shovel $hit ?



I agree my Redline has found falses I didn't even know exist. It and the V1 false at about the same rate. Nobody should buy a Redline because it falses less than the V1 you will be disappointed.

[Jag42]

In the Whistler Pro 78 Rev C review Craig peterson said it equaled the V1 on a x and Ka at the straight away site. :rolleyes:

[snoopyc4]

All you have to do is read half the article to see why we don't like him. He's an idiot.

:lol::lol: :thumb2:

[Obsidian]

And the BS about the V1 falsing 4x the RedLine!:confused: That is total nonsense! My RedLine, in Highway mode, falses MORE than the V1 on K-Band sensors because it is more sensitive than the V1 on K-Band!!! Since it's impossible for any RD to differentiate real Radar from a door sensor, it's also impossible for one to be more sensitive to the real thing while ignoring the motion sensors. Why does this guy continously attempt to shovel $hit ?



I agree my Redline has found falses I didn't even know exist. It and the V1 false at about the same rate. Nobody should buy a Redline because it falses less than the V1 you will be disappointed.

Escort falses are much more tolerable though because they Automute properly and have better tones ...
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[Idontgo55]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.

lol your silly what good do a 150$ pro 78 if it can't pick up C/O?

[nosbusa]

Nah, we don't do censorship here. Just want to point this guy out for what he is though so people don't mistakenly take his nonsense serious.

I understand. :thumb2:

[rocky2]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.

lol your silly what good do a 150$ pro 78 if it can't pick up C/O?

You have to make a choice. The V1 with good sensitivity and great Q/T performance. Or the Redline with awesome sensitivity and poor Q/T performance. I think the sensitivity (at least in my area) will save you more times than good Q/T performance.

[bigalinwv]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.

lol your silly what good do a 150$ pro 78 if it can't pick up C/O?

You have to make a choice. The V1 with good sensitivity and great Q/T performance. Or the Redline with awesome sensitivity and poor Q/T performance. I think the sensitivity (at least in my area) will save you more times than good Q/T performance.

I completely agree with you, Rocky2. Of course, meaning in my area.

[nine_c1]

Another fabricated fact in CP's report...........35.5 is NOT the most commonly use Ka frequency, 34.7 is by a LARGE margin. I'm sorry CP, but your title of World's Foremost authority has been revoked..........you need to go back and study the basics.

One very encouraging thing out of all this though. I see that the Escort website has not..........as of this moment.......made any kind of reference to this ninney's report. Let's hope they take the high road and keep it that way this time. The integrity of their products is better served without reference to anything published by this clown.

[rocky2]

One very encouraging thing out of all this though. I see that the Escort website has not..........as of this moment.......made any kind of reference to this ninney's report. Let's hope they take the high road and keep it that way this time. The integrity of their products is better served without reference to anything published by this clown.

X2, I hope Escort doesn't use his propaganda to help sell the Redline. The Redline is a great unit and doesn't need C.P's false tests to make it look good.

[Offshore]

Peterson is just one of those guys with an agenda..."I hate Mike Valentine" So any time he reviews the V1 it can be dismissed as crap!

I do think the Redline is going to beat the V1 in some of the upcoming GOL test, but not all....;)

[CJR238]

Another fabricated fact in CP's report...........35.5 is NOT the most commonly use Ka frequency, 34.7 is by a LARGE margin. I'm sorry CP, but your title of World's Foremost authority has been revoked..........you need to go back and study the basics.



He didn't say it was the most exclusively used, he said, "We noted a significant variance on the other most commonly used Ka-band frequency, 35.5 GHz." :rolleyes:

He's bad enough as it is with out us fabricating things. :)

[nine_c1]

Another fabricated fact in CP's report...........35.5 is NOT the most commonly use Ka frequency, 34.7 is by a LARGE margin. I'm sorry CP, but your title of World's Foremost authority has been revoked..........you need to go back and study the basics.



He didn't say it was the most exclusively used, he said, "We noted a significant variance on the other most commonly used Ka-band frequency, 35.5 GHz." :rolleyes:

He's bad enough as it is with out us fabricating things. :)

:confused:

Read the whole report CJ............you'll find this in his summary.

Nine months' worth of testing revealed some truths about the Escort RedLine. It can equal the Valentine One on X band and has a slim performance edge on K and 34.7 Ka bands. But it's significantly better at spotting the most commonly used Ka band—35.5 GHz—particularly when the radar beam is off-axis.

[bigalinwv]

Another fabricated fact in CP's report...........35.5 is NOT the most commonly use Ka frequency, 34.7 is by a LARGE margin. I'm sorry CP, but your title of World's Foremost authority has been revoked..........you need to go back and study the basics.



He didn't say it was the most exclusively used, he said, "We noted a significant variance on the other most commonly used Ka-band frequency, 35.5 GHz." :rolleyes:

He's bad enough as it is with out us fabricating things. :)

:confused:

Read the whole report CJ............you'll find this in his summary.

Nine months' worth of testing revealed some truths about the Escort RedLine. It can equal the Valentine One on X band and has a slim performance edge on K and 34.7 Ka bands. But it's significantly better at spotting the most commonly used Ka band—35.5 GHz—particularly when the radar beam is off-axis.

For my area, he is correct. Never have seen ANY 34.7.

[CJR238]

Another fabricated fact in CP's report...........35.5 is NOT the most commonly use Ka frequency, 34.7 is by a LARGE margin. I'm sorry CP, but your title of World's Foremost authority has been revoked..........you need to go back and study the basics.



He didn't say it was the most exclusively used, he said, "We noted a significant variance on the other most commonly used Ka-band frequency, 35.5 GHz." :rolleyes:

He's bad enough as it is with out us fabricating things. :)

:confused:

Read the whole report CJ............you'll find this in his summary.

Nine months' worth of testing revealed some truths about the Escort RedLine. It can equal the Valentine One on X band and has a slim performance edge on K and 34.7 Ka bands. But it's significantly better at spotting the most commonly used Ka band—35.5 GHz—particularly when the radar beam is off-axis.


I see, selective reading. My mistake.

[nine_c1]

For my area, he is correct. Never have seen ANY 34.7.

West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina are a strong hold for Kustom Signals Inc.

Stalker however, is more popular in the Northeast, Southern US, Midwest and West Coast. You'll find that more state agencies use Stalker than any other brand and many of the local agencies like to use whatever their State is running. MPH falls into 3rd place with Decatur hanging on by their fingernails.

[Idontgo55]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.

lol your silly what good do a 150$ pro 78 if it can't pick up C/O?

You have to make a choice. The V1 with good sensitivity and great Q/T performance. Or the Redline with awesome sensitivity and poor Q/T performance. I think the sensitivity (at least in my area) will save you more times than good Q/T performance.

I'm not talking about a V1 but what good is being good at Qt if the range isn't there ??? Nothing plus the chances of getting a Qt IS VERY RARE like others have said being good at Qt but not range will get you owned with C/O

[zerbey]

I'm not talking about a V1 but what good is being good at Qt if the range isn't there ??? Nothing plus the chances of getting a Qt IS VERY RARE like others have said being good at Qt but not range will get you owned with C/O


Maybe where you live, I see QT all the time. Every day.

[thestaton]

We need Jazzys dog poop on this douches face picture.

I can't read 5 words without wanting to throw up. Seriously **** this guy, **** his life, **** his face, **** his words, **** everything about him.

The best part is he's just a nerd who always got picked on, one day found a few dollars, and then decided he would play cop. What a douche.

Everything you read, was made up in his head. Just like the majority of reviewers out there on the planet.

Man **** him.

[Ramboss]

You'll find that more state agencies use Stalker than any other brand and many of the local agencies like to use whatever their State is running. MPH falls into 3rd place with Decatur hanging on by their fingernails.
Good to know. Where can I look at this information?

[Idontgo55]

I'm not talking about a V1 but what good is being good at Qt if the range isn't there ??? Nothing plus the chances of getting a Qt IS VERY RARE like others have said being good at Qt but not range will get you owned with C/O


Maybe where you live, I see QT all the time. Every day.

What do you have to prove that ? a v1 will go off at anything and everything with no spec mode to show it was really a leo and not a door alarm ...... As for a pro 78 without range QT isn't worth poop it will get you owned by C'O

[Obsidian]

I'm not talking about a V1 but what good is being good at Qt if the range isn't there ??? Nothing plus the chances of getting a Qt IS VERY RARE like others have said being good at Qt but not range will get you owned with C/O


Maybe where you live, I see QT all the time. Every day.

What do you have to prove that ? a v1 will go off at anything and everything with no spec mode to show it was really a leo and not a door alarm ...... As for a pro 78 without range QT isn't worth poop it will get you owned by C'O

X2. The zombies are getting desperate.





One very encouraging thing out of all this though. I see that the Escort website has not..........as of this moment.......made any kind of reference to this ninney's report. Let's hope they take the high road and keep it that way this time. The integrity of their products is better served without reference to anything published by this clown.

X2, I hope Escort doesn't use his propaganda to help sell the Redline. The Redline is a great unit and doesn't need C.P's false tests to make it look good.

Escort has linked to his tests on their forum in the past .... we all know they will say and do anything to sell a detector.

[bigalinwv]

I'm not talking about a V1 but what good is being good at Qt if the range isn't there ??? Nothing plus the chances of getting a Qt IS VERY RARE like others have said being good at Qt but not range will get you owned with C/O


Maybe where you live, I see QT all the time. Every day.

What do you have to prove that ? a v1 will go off at anything and everything with no spec mode to show it was really a leo and not a door alarm ...... As for a pro 78 without range QT isn't worth poop it will get you owned by C'O

X2. The zombies are getting desperate.





One very encouraging thing out of all this though. I see that the Escort website has not..........as of this moment.......made any kind of reference to this ninney's report. Let's hope they take the high road and keep it that way this time. The integrity of their products is better served without reference to anything published by this clown.

X2, I hope Escort doesn't use his propaganda to help sell the Redline. The Redline is a great unit and doesn't need C.P's false tests to make it look good.

Escort has linked to his tests on their forum in the past .... we all know they will say and do anything to sell a detector.

X2 above, I think we're only days away from the link showing up.

[Escort_Redline]

Best of both worlds. I'm one very happy kid right about now.

Will post reviews after using V1 for a month. I had Redline for 2 months now.

[snoopyc4]

For my area, he is correct. Never have seen ANY 34.7.

West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina are a strong hold for Kustom Signals Inc.

:D And Texas is the stronghold for Stalker Radar.

[dcdave78]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

I love V1 Zombies they can't accept that there is a detector that has a longer range than the V1. Face it if you look at the bar graphs in the review the redline has longer range. ( review may be flawed but that is another story )I have yet to hear anybody claim the V1 is a longer range detector than the redline other than the second reply in this thread. Even radarroy tested this across many miles in road trips and said the Redline although not always a huge difference alearted 80 percent of the time sooner than the V1.

Is the V1 better in Q/T YES.. I/O probably, Laser for sure! but range sorry man that is a no.

[CJR238]

For my area, he is correct. Never have seen ANY 34.7.

West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina are a strong hold for Kustom Signals Inc.

:D And Texas is the stronghold for Stalker Radar.

Got a ton of stalkers here too, encounter one almost every day. :o

But there is also a lot of K and 35.5.

[dcdave78]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

I love V1 Zombies they can't accept that there is a detector that has a longer range than the V1. Face it if you look at the bar graphs the redline has longer range. I have yet to hear anybody claim the V1 is a longer range detector than the redline. Even radarroy tested this across many miles in road trips and said the Redline although not always a huge difference alearted 80 percent of the time sooner than the V1.

Is the V1 better in Q/T YES.. I/O probably but range sorry man that is a no.

But not to say the V1 isn't a great detector cause it is, they are both great units but designed very differently and as such they each have their strong points

Redline
Pros Extreme Range, Stealth, Filtering

V1
Pros Very good range, very good Q/T detection, excellent I/O detection, top notch laser detection.... oh and yes if I forgot V1'ers would kill me the arrows!!:p

Overall is the V1 better than redline probably I would have a V1 if I didn't live in the communist province of Ontario. But range I would say redline is tops there.

[snoopyc4]

But not to say the V1 isn't a great detector cause it is, they are both great units but designed very differently and as such they each have their strong points

Redline
Pros Extreme Range, Stealth, Filtering

V1
Pros Very good range, very good Q/T detection, excellent I/O detection, top notch laser detection.... oh and yes if I forgot V1'ers would kill me the arrows!!:p

^^This is a good summarization. Add best ramp up for the V1.

As for us zombies, we have accepted the Redline as well as the 9500ci and other Belscort RDs that use the M3 antenna have better overall sensitivity. However, overall sensitivity alone doesn't make a radar detector king. Other factors such as reactivity (depending on where you live) have to be taken into consideration.

[dcdave78]

But not to say the V1 isn't a great detector cause it is, they are both great units but designed very differently and as such they each have their strong points

Redline
Pros Extreme Range, Stealth, Filtering

V1
Pros Very good range, very good Q/T detection, excellent I/O detection, top notch laser detection.... oh and yes if I forgot V1'ers would kill me the arrows!!:p

^^This is a good summarization. Add best ramp up for the V1.

As for us zombies, we have accepted the Redline as well as the 9500ci and other Belscort RDs that use the M3 antenna have better overall sensitivity. However, overall sensitivity alone doesn't make a radar detector king. Other factors such as reactivity (depending on where you live) have to be taken into consideration.

agreed they are both great detectors in their own right. If the V1 was stealth I would be running a V1. But in Ontario where these units are banned I have very few choices. And you might as well get the longest range you can and stealth are the best protection you can buy in banned areas.

[CJR238]

But not to say the V1 isn't a great detector cause it is, they are both great units but designed very differently and as such they each have their strong points

Redline
Pros Extreme Range, Stealth, Filtering

V1
Pros Very good range, very good Q/T detection, excellent I/O detection, top notch laser detection.... oh and yes if I forgot V1'ers would kill me the arrows!!:p

^^This is a good summarization. Add best ramp up for the V1.

As for us zombies, we have accepted the Redline as well as the 9500ci and other Belscort RDs that use the M3 antenna have better overall sensitivity. However, overall sensitivity alone doesn't make a radar detector king. Other factors such as reactivity (depending on where you live) have to be taken into consideration.

Very true.

Funny part is though the M4 platform is no M3 or V1 my 9500's served and protected me very very well for many years, and i drive like a maniac.

[Obsidian]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

I love V1 Zombies they can't accept that there is a detector that has a longer range than the V1. Face it if you look at the bar graphs in the review the redline has longer range. ( review may be flawed but that is another story )I have yet to hear anybody claim the V1 is a longer range detector than the redline other than the second reply in this thread. Even radarroy tested this across many miles in road trips and said the Redline although not always a huge difference alearted 80 percent of the time sooner than the V1.

Is the V1 better in Q/T YES.. I/O probably, Laser for sure! but range sorry man that is a no.

The fact that many so called zombies use a 9500ci as well as their V1 says it all ... if the V1 was "the greatest" then they would not need an Escort backing it up. :D

Features get the short shrift by zombies too. Escorts features are superior to the V1's. AutoMute is one of the best things ever added to a radar detector for example. Living without it is pure hatred. I miss the arrows, but I HATED not having AutoMute.

So an Escort misses a Q/T shot at your car ... V1 alerts ... you get a ticket either way. Q/T is only going to save you if you happen to pick up a shot up the road aimed at someone else, same as I/O. I'd wager Q/T saves are the lowest percentage of radar saves out there, V1 or not ... and I guarantee range saves will easily outrank Q/T saves. That said, it is something Escort needs to address.

[snoopyc4]

Q/T is only going to save you if you happen to pick up a shot up the road aimed at someone else, same as I/O.

;) Exactly.

YouTube - Escort 9500ci and V1 3.813 vs. Moving I/O Ka 34.7

[Matt]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

I love V1 Zombies they can't accept that there is a detector that has a longer range than the V1. Face it if you look at the bar graphs in the review the redline has longer range. ( review may be flawed but that is another story )I have yet to hear anybody claim the V1 is a longer range detector than the redline other than the second reply in this thread. Even radarroy tested this across many miles in road trips and said the Redline although not always a huge difference alearted 80 percent of the time sooner than the V1.

Is the V1 better in Q/T YES.. I/O probably, Laser for sure! but range sorry man that is a no.

The fact that many so called zombies use a 9500ci as well as their V1 says it all ... if the V1 was "the greatest" then they would not need an Escort backing it up. :D

Features get the short shrift by zombies too. Escorts features are superior to the V1's. AutoMute is one of the best things ever added to a radar detector for example. Living without it is pure hatred. I miss the arrows, but I HATED not having AutoMute.

So an Escort misses a Q/T shot at your car ... V1 alerts ... you get a ticket either way. Q/T is only going to save you if you happen to pick up a shot up the road aimed at someone else, same as I/O. I'd wager Q/T saves are the lowest percentage of radar saves out there, V1 or not ... and I guarantee range saves will easily outrank Q/T saves. That said, it is something Escort needs to address.

x2. I run Redline in the work truck, STI-R / 9500ix in personal. I am a Belscort believer. In my reply it says "if you read the post"

[bigalinwv]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

I love V1 Zombies they can't accept that there is a detector that has a longer range than the V1. Face it if you look at the bar graphs in the review the redline has longer range. ( review may be flawed but that is another story )I have yet to hear anybody claim the V1 is a longer range detector than the redline other than the second reply in this thread. Even radarroy tested this across many miles in road trips and said the Redline although not always a huge difference alearted 80 percent of the time sooner than the V1.

Is the V1 better in Q/T YES.. I/O probably, Laser for sure! but range sorry man that is a no.

The fact that many so called zombies use a 9500ci as well as their V1 says it all ... if the V1 was "the greatest" then they would not need an Escort backing it up. :D

Features get the short shrift by zombies too. Escorts features are superior to the V1's. AutoMute is one of the best things ever added to a radar detector for example. Living without it is pure hatred. I miss the arrows, but I HATED not having AutoMute.

So an Escort misses a Q/T shot at your car ... V1 alerts ... you get a ticket either way. Q/T is only going to save you if you happen to pick up a shot up the road aimed at someone else, same as I/O. I'd wager Q/T saves are the lowest percentage of radar saves out there, V1 or not ... and I guarantee range saves will easily outrank Q/T saves. That said, it is something Escort needs to address.

Amen to that, with regard to features and GUI, there's no contest, Belscort all the way.

In reality, arrows or no arrows, we all slow down for alerts. The bogey counter is not as informational as the Expert Meter.

[dcdave78]

If you read the post, it looks like the Redline is the choice for off axis. V1 and Redline tie for range. I/O = tie, QT = V1 is the king.

I love V1 Zombies they can't accept that there is a detector that has a longer range than the V1. Face it if you look at the bar graphs in the review the redline has longer range. ( review may be flawed but that is another story )I have yet to hear anybody claim the V1 is a longer range detector than the redline other than the second reply in this thread. Even radarroy tested this across many miles in road trips and said the Redline although not always a huge difference alearted 80 percent of the time sooner than the V1.

Is the V1 better in Q/T YES.. I/O probably, Laser for sure! but range sorry man that is a no.

The fact that many so called zombies use a 9500ci as well as their V1 says it all ... if the V1 was "the greatest" then they would not need an Escort backing it up. :D

Features get the short shrift by zombies too. Escorts features are superior to the V1's. AutoMute is one of the best things ever added to a radar detector for example. Living without it is pure hatred. I miss the arrows, but I HATED not having AutoMute.

So an Escort misses a Q/T shot at your car ... V1 alerts ... you get a ticket either way. Q/T is only going to save you if you happen to pick up a shot up the road aimed at someone else, same as I/O. I'd wager Q/T saves are the lowest percentage of radar saves out there, V1 or not ... and I guarantee range saves will easily outrank Q/T saves. That said, it is something Escort needs to address.

x2. I run Redline in the work truck, STI-R / 9500ix in personal. I am a Belscort believer. In my reply it says "if you read the post"

Sorry I stand corrected you are right;)

[<<JAZZY>>]

In reality, arrows or no arrows, we all slow down for alerts. The bogey counter is not as informational as the Expert Meter.

Yes, we all slow down but the arrows allow you to speed up if the cop has already passed, or is real far behind you which a Belscort will not let you know. The Expert Meter is better than the bogey counter?

If I pull up to a place with 8 door openers, the V1 will give me that number or maybe 7 occasionally. The Expert Meter will tell me there are 2 K band door openers if I am lucky because that is the maximum it can display. That doesn't seem better to me.

But wait, the Expert Meter can alert to a maximum of 4 X band sources at one time. I don't care because I have X band turned off on the V1. The V1 can flash an arrow at the worst threat if there are multiple threats and the Expert Meter can show me the world's smallest display of tiny dots that can only be viewed through squinting eyes. I have used both a V1 bogey counter and Expert Meter and there is no comparison...the V1 is way better.

The first thing I did when I bought my refurb 8500 was to see if I liked the Expert Meter and it was a complete joke. I changed it to Spec Display because it was more interesting to look at but still not as useful as the V1's display.

V1 Display:

Can display up to nine sources of radar regardless of band

Can show me which direction the threats are coming from and flash an arrow at the worst threat

Nice big display with easy to see arrows and number of threats





Expert Meter:

Can only display eight sources of radar (4 X band, 2 K band, 2 Ka band)

Can't tell me the direction of the radar or the worst threat

Small hard to read display with no arrows and no number of threats

[CJR238]

I cant really say much, i only bought the V1 for arrow entertainment purposes.

Spec mode just makes me mad, its a great feature but it doesn't let me know signal strength visually.

Expert mode on the other hand is pretty perfect. When encountering 2 sources it lets you know, but when i am in false chaos areas it give a maximum of 2.

The V1's multiple bogies and arrows pointing everywhere in dense false area only forces me to ignore it more often. But it does give me all the information i could ever need if i wanted it.

I think it comes down to do you want all the information possible (V1) or do you just want to know the important stuff (Belscort)

After using the V1 and 9500ci together i find the V1 a great supporting unit to use if more information is required, confirmation of passing the threat, obvious bogie tone for additional threats.

My only real complaint is when I use spec mode on the 9500ci doesn't give signal strength, and on the V1 i have no idea what band its alerting to. By using them both it solves my problem.

[Divewjason]

Ok, why are we starting a brand war again? Here are some highlights for everyone to go over and then we can all die happy with our chosen radar detectors. :D

1. The V1 is the only one with arrows and is the king of detecting quick bursts of instant on.

2. Escort/Belltronics is the only manufacturer in the US that has a detector that is undetectable by Spectre and their platform provides the best warning against C/O and off axis radar.

3. Whistlers are capable of detecting C/O I never had a close call with C/O on my 695 unless it was forward facing, and I'm not a Whistler Zombie. See my signature.

/endargument

Let's all just be happy with our chosen detectors, there is a reason why we decided on the detectors we decided on whether it be preference or our area. kthxbai. :D

[Freebird]

It would be really nice if the V1 would flash the spec in the bogey counter a second after alerting like it flashes the firmware in programming mode.

At alert it would flash 1 bogey, then 3-3-.-8 a few seconds then return back to the bogey number.

[Idontgo55]

It would be really nice if the V1 would flash the spec in the bogey counter a second after alerting like it flashes the firmware in programming mode.

At alert it would flash 1 bogey, then 3-3-.-8 a few seconds then return back to the bogey number.

that would cost money since V1 can't even afford or can just don't want to put in a better phone system why would they invest much more? Seems like v1 pretty much is at the end of the road!!! or it could be them milking each 400 dollar sucker they get right now

[bigalinwv]

In reality, arrows or no arrows, we all slow down for alerts. The bogey counter is not as informational as the Expert Meter.

Yes, we all slow down but the arrows allow you to speed up if the cop has already passed, or is real far behind you which a Belscort will not let you know. The Expert Meter is better than the bogey counter?

If I pull up to a place with 8 door openers, the V1 will give me that number or maybe 7 occasionally. The Expert Meter will tell me there are 2 K band door openers if I am lucky because that is the maximum it can display. That doesn't seem better to me.

But wait, the Expert Meter can alert to a maximum of 4 X band sources at one time. I don't care because I have X band turned off on the V1. The V1 can flash an arrow at the worst threat if there are multiple threats and the Expert Meter can show me the world's smallest display of tiny dots that can only be viewed through squinting eyes. I have used both a V1 bogey counter and Expert Meter and there is no comparison...the V1 is way better.

The first thing I did when I bought my refurb 8500 was to see if I liked the Expert Meter and it was a complete joke. I changed it to Spec Display because it was more interesting to look at but still not as useful as the V1's display.

V1 Display:

Can display up to nine sources of radar regardless of band

Can show me which direction the threats are coming from and flash an arrow at the worst threat

Nice big display with easy to see arrows and number of threats





Expert Meter:

Can only display eight sources of radar (4 X band, 2 K band, 2 Ka band)

Can't tell me the direction of the radar or the worst threat

Small hard to read display with no arrows and no number of threats
1. Come on, any RD user with any years of experience can tell whether the cop just passed, be for real.

2. You also forgot to mention all arrows lit up, different ones flashing at different times, the X,K,Ka band indicators randomly flashing. Looks like a disco!!!!

Definitely NOT more information, only a true zombie would claim that.

I OWN a V1.8, and can at least be objective about it.

[Freebird]

The arrows are most useful to me when the alert is only a few beeps every 30 seconds and it is rear arrow or front arrow. With other detectors I am looking all around for the source, with the V1 it identifies the source behind you or in front of you taking the guesswork away.

[<<JAZZY>>]

In reality, arrows or no arrows, we all slow down for alerts. The bogey counter is not as informational as the Expert Meter.

Yes, we all slow down but the arrows allow you to speed up if the cop has already passed, or is real far behind you which a Belscort will not let you know. The Expert Meter is better than the bogey counter?

If I pull up to a place with 8 door openers, the V1 will give me that number or maybe 7 occasionally. The Expert Meter will tell me there are 2 K band door openers if I am lucky because that is the maximum it can display. That doesn't seem better to me.

But wait, the Expert Meter can alert to a maximum of 4 X band sources at one time. I don't care because I have X band turned off on the V1. The V1 can flash an arrow at the worst threat if there are multiple threats and the Expert Meter can show me the world's smallest display of tiny dots that can only be viewed through squinting eyes. I have used both a V1 bogey counter and Expert Meter and there is no comparison...the V1 is way better.

The first thing I did when I bought my refurb 8500 was to see if I liked the Expert Meter and it was a complete joke. I changed it to Spec Display because it was more interesting to look at but still not as useful as the V1's display.

V1 Display:

Can display up to nine sources of radar regardless of band

Can show me which direction the threats are coming from and flash an arrow at the worst threat

Nice big display with easy to see arrows and number of threats





Expert Meter:

Can only display eight sources of radar (4 X band, 2 K band, 2 Ka band)

Can't tell me the direction of the radar or the worst threat

Small hard to read display with no arrows and no number of threats
1. Come on, any RD user with any years of experience can tell whether the cop just passed, be for real.

2. You also forgot to mention all arrows lit up, different ones flashing at different times, the X,K,Ka band indicators randomly flashing. Looks like a disco!!!!

Definitely NOT more information, only a true zombie would claim that.

I OWN a V1.8, and can at least be objective about it.

Really, a cop drives passed you on the interstate and another one is up ahead and is shooting radar, the Belscort will let you know which one is shooting radar at you and whether they have passed you. You must be able to tell this with the great ramp-up that Belscorts provide. Now, imagine using a V1 or Belscort product in this same situation at night. It is called situational awareness for a reason.

I own an Escort 8500 and it is very good but if you put me on the interstate at night, I haven't a clue where to look if I get small blips of radar. I would assume it is in front of me but the V1 could tell me if it behind me or has just passed.

I don't usually see a disco on the V1's display because X band is turned off but I understand what the display is telling me if more than one thing is lit up.

The Spec Display on a Belscort is about as useful as telling me I am being shot at by a ninja that has a .38 with a silencer instead of a .45 with a silencer. I would rather know where the ninja is using arrows so that I can react in an appropriate manner.

[Obsidian]

In reality, arrows or no arrows, we all slow down for alerts. The bogey counter is not as informational as the Expert Meter.

Yes, we all slow down but the arrows allow you to speed up if the cop has already passed, or is real far behind you which a Belscort will not let you know. The Expert Meter is better than the bogey counter?

If I pull up to a place with 8 door openers, the V1 will give me that number or maybe 7 occasionally. The Expert Meter will tell me there are 2 K band door openers if I am lucky because that is the maximum it can display. That doesn't seem better to me.

But wait, the Expert Meter can alert to a maximum of 4 X band sources at one time. I don't care because I have X band turned off on the V1. The V1 can flash an arrow at the worst threat if there are multiple threats and the Expert Meter can show me the world's smallest display of tiny dots that can only be viewed through squinting eyes. I have used both a V1 bogey counter and Expert Meter and there is no comparison...the V1 is way better.

The first thing I did when I bought my refurb 8500 was to see if I liked the Expert Meter and it was a complete joke. I changed it to Spec Display because it was more interesting to look at but still not as useful as the V1's display.

V1 Display:

Can display up to nine sources of radar regardless of band

Can show me which direction the threats are coming from and flash an arrow at the worst threat

Nice big display with easy to see arrows and number of threats





Expert Meter:

Can only display eight sources of radar (4 X band, 2 K band, 2 Ka band)

Can't tell me the direction of the radar or the worst threat

Small hard to read display with no arrows and no number of threats

Are you blind? The V1 display is comically oversized like it was made for my 90 year old grandpa.

Expert meter is pretty good ... but admittedly could be better. The bogey counter is generally a joke. It's not accurate for one thing, especially once you get up to the 4-9 range. POP on causes all sorts of K band falses, and the arrows are not super accurate in cities. Downtown LA is a a bogey counter/arrow nightmare.

Speeding up once you pass the threat is nice with the V1 — if you spot the threat. If you speed up when you have a rear Ka that you passed without seeing .... he could be coming. And if he's behind you and not coming, the V1 will continue to annoy you for 1-2 miles while the Escort will go silent.

[bigalinwv]

In reality, arrows or no arrows, we all slow down for alerts. The bogey counter is not as informational as the Expert Meter.

Yes, we all slow down but the arrows allow you to speed up if the cop has already passed, or is real far behind you which a Belscort will not let you know. The Expert Meter is better than the bogey counter?

If I pull up to a place with 8 door openers, the V1 will give me that number or maybe 7 occasionally. The Expert Meter will tell me there are 2 K band door openers if I am lucky because that is the maximum it can display. That doesn't seem better to me.

But wait, the Expert Meter can alert to a maximum of 4 X band sources at one time. I don't care because I have X band turned off on the V1. The V1 can flash an arrow at the worst threat if there are multiple threats and the Expert Meter can show me the world's smallest display of tiny dots that can only be viewed through squinting eyes. I have used both a V1 bogey counter and Expert Meter and there is no comparison...the V1 is way better.

The first thing I did when I bought my refurb 8500 was to see if I liked the Expert Meter and it was a complete joke. I changed it to Spec Display because it was more interesting to look at but still not as useful as the V1's display.

V1 Display:

Can display up to nine sources of radar regardless of band

Can show me which direction the threats are coming from and flash an arrow at the worst threat

Nice big display with easy to see arrows and number of threats





Expert Meter:

Can only display eight sources of radar (4 X band, 2 K band, 2 Ka band)

Can't tell me the direction of the radar or the worst threat

Small hard to read display with no arrows and no number of threats
1. Come on, any RD user with any years of experience can tell whether the cop just passed, be for real.

2. You also forgot to mention all arrows lit up, different ones flashing at different times, the X,K,Ka band indicators randomly flashing. Looks like a disco!!!!

Definitely NOT more information, only a true zombie would claim that.

I OWN a V1.8, and can at least be objective about it.

Really, a cop drives passed you on the interstate and another one is up ahead and is shooting radar, the Belscort will let you know which one is shooting radar at you and whether they have passed you. You must be able to tell this with the great ramp-up that Belscorts provide. Now, imagine using a V1 or Belscort product in this same situation at night. It is called situational awareness for a reason.

I own an Escort 8500 and it is very good but if you put me on the interstate at night, I haven't a clue where to look if I get small blips of radar. I would assume it is in front of me but the V1 could tell me if it behind me or has just passed.

I don't usually see a disco on the V1's display because X band is turned off but I understand what the display is telling me if more than one thing is lit up.

The Spec Display on a Belscort is about as useful as telling me I am being shot at by a ninja that has a .38 with a silencer instead of a .45 with a silencer. I would rather know where the ninja is using arrows so that I can react in an appropriate manner.

It's called situational awareness when I can look at my Expert meter and see 2 K band sources, with their strengths, along with 2 Ka band sources and their strengths, all at the same time. Meanwhile my V1 has flashing K band, Ka band, flashing arrows, and I don't know which band is stronger and where the H*ll it is.

Situational awareness is right off the V1 website, a ploy MV uses to goad people into thinking his 20 year old design still cuts it in today's world.

[North Alabama]

Oh boy, I am going to get in on this...... First, the V1 just flashes one arrow for the strongest main signal to watch out for. Second, mute and mode setting will take care of most false alarms, therfore no disco has to happen with the V1. Third, this Redline/V1 test will show in agreement with fellow member's reports that the Escort went after Valentine to be the best in distance, only for that claim. Fourth, the distance test results, remember this was a distance test only, can be skewed in slecting the course to favor one detector to make it look like it performs a whole lot better than the other detector...... We all know C.P. is a V1 fan and hates Escort therfore he would make the Redline look worse of the two detectors. Wait for the GOL test folks! This is not a school yard! :D

[Matt]

x2, but it is fun to read:D

[bigalinwv]

Oh boy, I am going to get in on this...... First, the V1 just flashes one arrow for the strongest main signal to watch out for. Second, mute and mode setting will take care of most false alarms, therfore no disco has to happen with the V1. Third, this Redline/V1 test will show in agreement with fellow member's reports that the Escort went after Valentine to be the best in distance, only for that claim. Fourth, the distance test results, remember this was a distance test only, can be skewed in slecting the course to favor one detector to make it look like it performs a whole lot better than the other detector...... We all know C.P. is a V1 fan and hates Escort therfore he would make the Redline look worse of the two detectors. Wait for the GOL test folks! This is not a school yard! :D
1. Not true, the signals can get stronger and weaker, thus the arrow might flash forward for a second, then flash to the side, or back. If you believe the V1 only flashes one arrow at a time, you don't have a lot of experience in the city or suburbs with one.

2. You couldn't be more wrong, I think you got it backwards, CP hates V1, loves Belscort.

[Obsidian]

Oh boy, I am going to get in on this...... First, the V1 just flashes one arrow for the strongest main signal to watch out for. Second, mute and mode setting will take care of most false alarms, therfore no disco has to happen with the V1. Third, this Redline/V1 test will show in agreement with fellow member's reports that the Escort went after Valentine to be the best in distance, only for that claim. Fourth, the distance test results, remember this was a distance test only, can be skewed in slecting the course to favor one detector to make it look like it performs a whole lot better than the other detector...... We all know C.P. is a V1 fan and hates Escort therfore he would make the Redline look worse of the two detectors. Wait for the GOL test folks! This is not a school yard! :D

2. You couldn't be more wrong, I think you got it backwards, CP hates V1, loves Belscort.

X2. Valentine used to battle Peterson on his site too ... he had a whole rant posted against the guy at one time. Valentine is old and tired now, and gave up all that fun stuff.

[ghz1]

I dislike CP and for the life of me can't understand why on earth any radar detector producer company would pay this guy any sum of money for his results it's just wrong. Don't bell remember what he did to the GOL test? don't they read the BS reviews?
What's going on here........

"Dual-antenna Design"
Adding a second forward-facing radar antenna (Beltronics (BEL) STi Driver (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=100542), Escort RedLine) significantly increases a detector's sensitivity, the range at which it can spot radar. This practice is hugely expensive, the reason why only a couple of high-end models use two antennas. (One model, the Valentine One (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=9090) or V1, has a second antenna, but it faces rearward. Under some conditions this gives it nearly the same detection range for radar coming from behind. But radar behind you is largely a non-issue (http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=8500), and competing detectors have one to four miles of rear detection range using their front antenna, making the V1's unique arrangement of questionable value.)


Look at the attachment to the my post.

The guy's in fairy land. Oh BTW looks like he's starting to go after the cobra end of the market (the biggest) must of been a brief by the bell CEO. Arr now I remember why I dislike the bell products......

[Obsidian]

I dislike CP and for the life of me can't understand why on earth any radar detector producer company would pay this guy any sum of money for his results it's just wrong. Don't bell remember what he did to the GOL test? don't they read the BS reviews?
What's going on here........

"Dual-antenna Design"
Adding a second forward-facing radar antenna (Beltronics (BEL) STi Driver (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=100542), Escort RedLine) significantly increases a detector's sensitivity, the range at which it can spot radar. This practice is hugely expensive, the reason why only a couple of high-end models use two antennas. (One model, the Valentine One (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=9090) or V1, has a second antenna, but it faces rearward. Under some conditions this gives it nearly the same detection range for radar coming from behind. But radar behind you is largely a non-issue (http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=8500), and competing detectors have one to four miles of rear detection range using their front antenna, making the V1's unique arrangement of questionable value.)


Look at the attachment to the my post.

The guy's in fairy land. Oh BTW looks like he's starting to go after the cobra end of the market (the biggest) must of been a brief by the bell CEO. Arr now I remember why I dislike the bell products......

In the part you highlighted red, he's saying the V1's front and rear antennas give nearly the same range, which is true a lot of the times. He's not saying the V1 almost matches the Redline in rear detection.

[niran916]

What good does a 14 mile range detector do if it can't pick up Q/T at close range.

lol your silly what good do a 150$ pro 78 if it can't pick up C/O?

You have to make a choice. The V1 with good sensitivity and great Q/T performance. Or the Redline with awesome sensitivity and poor Q/T performance. I think the sensitivity (at least in my area) will save you more times than good Q/T performance.

you forgot to mention, you get better off axis with the Redline as well.

[Divewjason]

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp111/agtBobPhillips/deadhorse.jpg

[dslrip32]

My 2 cents...... I know which detector is the best at Q/T. :thumb2:

[North Alabama]

Just as I stated and someone just stated the same but backwards, the V1 can FLASH only one arrow at a time, the strongest. Flash, not lit! Please re-read the whole sentence. Folks, the C.P. comment is a joke, somebody did not catch on. :D

[happya$$]

Well..........on one hand, thats about the most favorable review this guy has ever done on the Valentine One.

The rub is that he only acknowledges the V1's great sensitivity on Ka band after years of shortchanging this detector. I guess now that Escort does have a marvelously sensitive windshield mount in the RedLine, he finally felt secure in admitting how good the V1 is.:confused:

The test itself just seems fabricated to me though. Fourteen mile detections! We have several posters that transit the deserts and have not seen more than 7 miles at best.:rolleyes: I actually believe the average user will see a much larger performance difference on Ka band between the V1 and RedLine than what his "tests" indicate ESPECIALLY around bends and over hills. I dunno.......maybe I just have a real hot RedLine.

And the BS about the V1 falsing 4x the RedLine!:confused: That is total nonsense! My RedLine, in Highway mode, falses MORE than the V1 on K-Band sensors because it is more sensitive than the V1 on K-Band!!! Since it's impossible for any RD to differentiate real Radar from a door sensor, it's also impossible for one to be more sensitive to the real thing while ignoring the motion sensors. Why does this guy continously attempt to shovel $hit ?

Bottom line..........after years of fudging the numbers, I cannot bring myself to believe anything this guy has to say about any RD........good or bad!

Edit: Just one more gripe. Even now, after years and years of testing the world's best detectors, the world's formost expert on RD's Still hasn't learned how to program a V1! I say it's time to throw in the towel CP!

nice post

[happya$$]

One thing is for sure, whenever there is a CP review linked on this forum, crap hits the fan!

[AirMoore]

One thing is for sure, whenever there is a CP review linked on this forum, crap hits the fan!

And with the amount of cr@p he has for us to throw... there sure is a lot TO hit the said fan...

[Offshore]

Well..........on one hand, thats about the most favorable review this guy has ever done on the Valentine One.

The rub is that he only acknowledges the V1's great sensitivity on Ka band after years of shortchanging this detector. I guess now that Escort does have a marvelously sensitive windshield mount in the RedLine, he finally felt secure in admitting how good the V1 is.:confused:

The test itself just seems fabricated to me though. Fourteen mile detections! We have several posters that transit the deserts and have not seen more than 7 miles at best.:rolleyes: I actually believe the average user will see a much larger performance difference on Ka band between the V1 and RedLine than what his "tests" indicate ESPECIALLY around bends and over hills. I dunno.......maybe I just have a real hot RedLine.

And the BS about the V1 falsing 4x the RedLine!:confused: That is total nonsense! My RedLine, in Highway mode, falses MORE than the V1 on K-Band sensors because it is more sensitive than the V1 on K-Band!!! Since it's impossible for any RD to differentiate real Radar from a door sensor, it's also impossible for one to be more sensitive to the real thing while ignoring the motion sensors. Why does this guy continously attempt to shovel $hit ?

Bottom line..........after years of fudging the numbers, I cannot bring myself to believe anything this guy has to say about any RD........good or bad!

Edit: Just one more gripe. Even now, after years and years of testing the world's best detectors, the world's formost expert on RD's Still hasn't learned how to program a V1! I say it's time to throw in the towel CP!

nice post

X2

[bigalinwv]

Just as I stated and someone just stated the same but backwards, the V1 can FLASH only one arrow at a time, the strongest. Flash, not lit! Please re-read the whole sentence. Folks, the C.P. comment is a joke, somebody did not catch on. :D

Exactly, but I'm trying to say it's not the same one during an alert. For instance, I posted on here last summer I went through a town of about 10,000 people. My V1 went crazy, showing 8,7,5,8,5,6,8 bogeys, rear arrow flashing, then the front, then the rear again, then the back, K band flashing, then X band flashing, then K band, then X band. And all this time I'm sitting at a stoplight with no LEO in sight. It reminded me that when I go back through there (which was the following week) to use my 9500 instead.

[Offshore]

Just as I stated and someone just stated the same but backwards, the V1 can FLASH only one arrow at a time, the strongest. Flash, not lit! Please re-read the whole sentence. Folks, the C.P. comment is a joke, somebody did not catch on. :D

Exactly, but I'm trying to say it's not the same one during an alert. For instance, I posted on here last summer I went through a town of about 10,000 people. My V1 went crazy, showing 8,7,5,8,5,6,8 bogeys, rear arrow flashing, then the front, then the rear again, then the back, K band flashing, then X band flashing, then K band, then X band. And all this time I'm sitting at a stoplight with no LEO in sight. It reminded me that when I go back through there (which was the following week) to use my 9500 instead.

The V1 is a HIGHWAY RD unless you have it hooked up to a Cheetah Mirror, so around town use the 9500, when you want to get serious about speeding on the highway then pull out the V1/Redline/CI/STi-R.

[ghz1]

I dislike CP and for the life of me can't understand why on earth any radar detector producer company would pay this guy any sum of money for his results it's just wrong. Don't bell remember what he did to the GOL test? don't they read the BS reviews?
What's going on here........

"Dual-antenna Design"
Adding a second forward-facing radar antenna (Beltronics (BEL) STi Driver (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=100542), Escort RedLine) significantly increases a detector's sensitivity, the range at which it can spot radar. This practice is hugely expensive, the reason why only a couple of high-end models use two antennas. (One model, the Valentine One (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=9090) or V1, has a second antenna, but it faces rearward. Under some conditions this gives it nearly the same detection range for radar coming from behind. But radar behind you is largely a non-issue (http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=8500), and competing detectors have one to four miles of rear detection range using their front antenna, making the V1's unique arrangement of questionable value.)


Look at the attachment to the my post.

The guy's in fairy land. Oh BTW looks like he's starting to go after the cobra end of the market (the biggest) must of been a brief by the bell CEO. Arr now I remember why I dislike the bell products......

In the part you highlighted red, he's saying the V1's front and rear antennas give nearly the same range, which is true a lot of the times. He's not saying the V1 almost matches the Redline in rear detection.

Arr sorry my bad.
Ok then here's a complete misrepresentation/misguide of the funtion of the V1 control knob

"The Valentine One, in comparison, has one rotary multi-function switch to handle everything. Mode changes take 10 times longer, averaging 2.1 seconds, a noticeable delay if you're moving fast and otherwise engaged in the task of driving. And there's no auto mute, no user-selectable preferences, no multi-step display brightness—there's one-step auto dimming only—or alternate visual displays, for instance.

This is because of the Manuel mute. He treat's the general public like they are truly dumb. This man doesn't give a fear and accurate test report, never has and never will

And there's no auto mute,no user-selectable preferencesAsk Mike - Report #3 (http://www.valentine1.com/lab/MikesLabRpt3.asp)
https://store.valentine1.com/store/default.asp?category=defensegear

Would somebody pls email him this link for the love of god.
Hey and who's the rehab Zombie friend in the BMW 540i. Sure hope that not the Veil Guy:eek:

[v1user]

1. CP maybe looks like Bob from the Cialis? He just needs darker hair.:dontknow:
CP could possibly may be lacking south of the border and he's taking his beef(or lack of) out on VR.
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2.Buyer's guide for 2010 (http://radartest.com/Radar_Detector_Buyers_Guide_2010.asp) Seems like he goes deeper into reviews for the Belscorts than whistlers.


3. Also, I can relate to a lot of obsidian's complaints. They automute on my Bel is very nice.


4. The guy is a moron no matter whose side your one. I hope Belscort stops using his reviews.

[bigalinwv]

CP's website is FULL of inaccuracies. He clearly shows a 9500i when the article is about a 9500ix. He says the main difference between the two is the 9500ix has a usb port on it. Kinda strange, so does my 9500i. I could go on and on. The more you read, the more you find wrong.

I confronted him on another forum, and he was pissed. I told him that he said the 8500 X50 was the world's best detector, then (at that time the difference was like 5 days, now magically the dates are different on the tests) 5 days later he pits the STi Driver against the V1 to see which is world's best. Um, if the X50 was the world's best, then shouldn't it have been in there somewhere?

Edit: Found another, says the mode Escort uses to show the frequency is called "Threat Mode", and on a Bel it is "Spec Display". Backwards, as usual. And on a Bel it's actually called "Tech Mode". Found that one in the link above to his buyers guide 2010.

[Jstglockem]

I must admit I have thinking about buying a Redline. I would still keep my V1. In my opinion there is nothing better. It truly is the best in the World. I would just like to see for myself how good it really is. It has arrows. That trumps anything in my . Sure it might talk more but if you are old enough to have a wife you learn to ignore it.;)

[bigalinwv]

I must admit I have thinking about buying a Redline. I would still keep my V1. In my opinion there is nothing better. It truly is the best in the World. I would just like to see for myself how good it really is. It has arrows. That trumps anything in my . Sure it might talk more but if you are old enough to have a wife you learn to ignore it.;)
ANY competition between the big boys is a GOOD thing for us.:D

[Idontgo55]

I must admit I have thinking about buying a Redline. I would still keep my V1. In my opinion there is nothing better. It truly is the best in the World. I would just like to see for myself how good it really is. It has arrows. That trumps anything in my . Sure it might talk more but if you are old enough to have a wife you learn to ignore it.;)

Best at going off for anything and everything!!!besides ka band speed signs lolz with no spec mode to tell you it's real

[Veri]

I must admit I have thinking about buying a Redline. I would still keep my V1. In my opinion there is nothing better. It truly is the best in the World. I would just like to see for myself how good it really is. It has arrows. That trumps anything in my . Sure it might talk more but if you are old enough to have a wife you learn to ignore it.;)

Best at going off for anything and everything!!!besides ka band speed signs lolz with no spec mode to tell you it's real

Pointless post. V1 doesn't show frequencies; Belscorts do. We know.

[v1user]

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[Idontgo55]

I must admit I have thinking about buying a Redline. I would still keep my V1. In my opinion there is nothing better. It truly is the best in the World. I would just like to see for myself how good it really is. It has arrows. That trumps anything in my . Sure it might talk more but if you are old enough to have a wife you learn to ignore it.;)

Best at going off for anything and everything!!!besides ka band speed signs lolz with no spec mode to tell you it's real

Pointless post. V1 doesn't show frequencies; Belscorts do. We know.

not really It also missed a ka band on a speed sign which could of been a leo ka is 99.99% a leo I have never ran into a Ka sign just K

[bigalinwv]

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"This is how long I go between pills"

[Riptide]

I have never ran into a Ka sign just K

Just an FYI they do exist, I've run into about five over the past 4 months

[chris]

i dont beleve his post and radar test anyway. I'll do my own

[Idontgo55]

I have never ran into a Ka sign just K

Just an FYI they do exist, I've run into about five over the past 4 months

I know this never said they didn't !!!!!!!did I?

[Riptide]

I have never ran into a Ka sign just K

Just an FYI they do exist, I've run into about five over the past 4 months

I know this never said they didn't !!!!!!!did I?

I didn't know if you knew or not. Thats why I said "Just an FYI" and didn't comment about the ongoing debate.

[bigalinwv]

I have run across a 34.7 speed sign, the only 34.7 I've ever seen around here.

[nine_c1]

I'm not talking about a V1 but what good is being good at Qt if the range isn't there ??? Nothing plus the chances of getting a Qt IS VERY RARE like others have said being good at Qt but not range will get you owned with C/O


Maybe where you live, I see QT all the time. Every day.

What do you have to prove that ? a v1 will go off at anything and everything with no spec mode to show it was really a leo and not a door alarm ...... As for a pro 78 without range QT isn't worth poop it will get you owned by C'O

X2. The zombies are getting desperate.





One very encouraging thing out of all this though. I see that the Escort website has not..........as of this moment.......made any kind of reference to this ninney's report. Let's hope they take the high road and keep it that way this time. The integrity of their products is better served without reference to anything published by this clown.

X2, I hope Escort doesn't use his propaganda to help sell the Redline. The Redline is a great unit and doesn't need C.P's false tests to make it look good.

Escort has linked to his tests on their forum in the past .... we all know they will say and do anything to sell a detector.

One week and still no reference to CP's "test" on either the Escort website or in their Forum! :D

I get the sense that Escort is happy with leaving it to the real testimonials posted in these forums to speak for the RedLine...........as it should be! This was a detector designed for the hardcore component that frequent these forums, so we'll do the appraisal........very appropriate.

Perhaps the era of the false prophet is coming to a close.;)

[gilberto814]

The arrows are most useful to me when the alert is only a few beeps every 30 seconds and it is rear arrow or front arrow. With other detectors I am looking all around for the source, with the V1 it identifies the source behind you or in front of you taking the guesswork away.

:dito:



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"This is how long I go between pills"

This is how Escort Rates Second!

[mrkookm]

Guys I know the Redlline is a sensitive unit and I've even considered of getting one to try. I know its heavy, looks cute, got a nice paint job, has a wonderful 2 line screen, falses on Ka, and to top it a sexy voice. That doesn't impress me I'm all about the performance of the unit. With this said has anyone experienced a real hardcore save?

I'm not talking about the unit picking up radar source from 5 miles within a city while I'm on a highway, that's pretty much useless to me. I'm not so much concerned about detection in a wide open area either because this to me again is pretty much useless as any of the big 3 or even a Whistler in a scenario such as this will give ample warning. Not to mention the last thing I wanna do is having to cut my speed 7 or even 5 miles from an actual radar patrol, open roads are easy 2~1 miles is all you need.

Even if a situation I/O situation presented itself there's only one detector that has a better chance of sniffing that out, but lets not go into the debate as to which it is because this is where user awareness or common sense or even both for matter should take over. If you know an area is I/O prone don't put yourself out there :rolleyes:, the chances of failure is too great even with the absolute best equipment period.

I'm talking about an actual true save where a Leo is in the lurks, around a corner, facing away from traffic so as to minimize signal strength to maximize the effectiveness of the kill; you get my drift, really difficult for a detector to sniff out the signal. Has anyone ever got a save in a scenario like this?

I would love to hear of any such experience.

[Riptide]

Guys I know the Redlline is a sensitive unit and I've even considered of getting one to try. I know its heavy, looks cute, got a nice paint job, has a wonderful 2 line screen, falses on Ka, and to top it a sexy voice. That doesn't impress me I'm all about the performance of the unit. With this said has anyone experienced a real hardcore save?

I'm not talking about the unit picking up radar source from 5 miles within a city while I'm on a highway, that's pretty much useless to me. I'm not so much concerned about detection in a wide open area either because this to me again is pretty much useless as any of the big 3 or even a Whistler in a scenario such as this will give ample warning. Not to mention the last thing I wanna do is having to cut my speed 7 or even 5 miles from an actual radar patrol, open roads are easy 2~1 miles is all you need.

Even if a situation I/O situation presented itself there's only one detector that has a better chance of sniffing that out, but lets not go into the debate as to which it is because this is where user awareness or common sense or even both for matter should take over. If you know an area is I/O prone don't put yourself out there :rolleyes:, the chances of failure is too great even with the absolute best equipment period.

I'm talking about an actual true save where a Leo is in the lurks, around a corner, facing away from traffic so as to minimize signal strength to maximize the effectiveness of the kill; you get my drift, really difficult for a detector to sniff out the signal. Has anyone ever got a save in a scenario like this?

I would love to hear of any such experience.

Look in the video section, theres alot of these.

[nine_c1]

Guys I know the Redlline is a sensitive unit and I've even considered of getting one to try. I know its heavy, looks cute, got a nice paint job, has a wonderful 2 line screen, falses on Ka, and to top it a sexy voice. That doesn't impress me I'm all about the performance of the unit. With this said has anyone experienced a real hardcore save?

I'm not talking about the unit picking up radar source from 5 miles within a city while I'm on a highway, that's pretty much useless to me. I'm not so much concerned about detection in a wide open area either because this to me again is pretty much useless as any of the big 3 or even a Whistler in a scenario such as this will give ample warning. Not to mention the last thing I wanna do is having to cut my speed 7 or even 5 miles from an actual radar patrol, open roads are easy 2~1 miles is all you need.

Even if a situation I/O situation presented itself there's only one detector that has a better chance of sniffing that out, but lets not go into the debate as to which it is because this is where user awareness or common sense or even both for matter should take over. If you know an area is I/O prone don't put yourself out there :rolleyes:, the chances of failure is too great even with the absolute best equipment period.

I'm talking about an actual true save where a Leo is in the lurks, around a corner, facing away from traffic so as to minimize signal strength to maximize the effectiveness of the kill; you get my drift, really difficult for a detector to sniff out the signal. Has anyone ever got a save in a scenario like this?

I would love to hear of any such experience.

I have one that fits the bill.;) Actually, I have many but this one in particular matches the scenario you described.

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[CJR238]

I'm talking about an actual true save where a Leo is in the lurks, around a corner, facing away from traffic so as to minimize signal strength to maximize the effectiveness of the kill; you get my drift, really difficult for a detector to sniff out the signal. Has anyone ever got a save in a scenario like this?

I would love to hear of any such experience.

Look in the video section, theres alot of these.

X2, and the RedLine and 9500ci have very similar capabilities if not exactly the same.

I had a K encounter down a hilly and windy road that was about 1/2 of a warning. Wish i had video because it was as if my CI could see through hills curves trees and so on, quite amazing how this thing picks up on the weakest signals.

[mrkookm]

I have one that fits the bill.;) Actually, I have many but this one in particular matches the scenario you described.

Yes that's what I'm talking about! Sounds like a good save indeed!

Couple of questions: Whats the ver? It seems there were buildings around, where they? Any similar saves in a more remote spot (no buildings or bridge for the signal to bounce off) with the same Leo position? How's the X performance, any saves?

Planning on making some trips to certain states where RD ill.



Look in the video section, there's alot of these.

All the videos I've seem are all the same wide open detection :) The only ones I've seen that was close to an off axis are still forward facing and it only alerted by just 2~3 seconds on some or the same before the other detector picks up. The driver still had plenty of time to slow down anyway. Unless I missing the videos your talking about?