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quandary
02-22-2016, 08:47 AM
Does anyone know much about it. It claims to be able to measure through trees. I would assume that it either users multiple beams or scan for stationary objects and memorize them.

Would a jammer be able to protect me if the diffusing laser is not constantly on.

How reliable would the measurement be since lidar is still subject to errors.

radarrob
02-22-2016, 10:05 PM
Yes it can shoot threw brush/tree's. There is a YouTube video of this Lidar in action.

quandary
02-29-2016, 08:25 PM
Very scary. Has anyone had any experience against it or operating one (Roy?) Does this mean that laser counter measures are no longer effective?

The youtube is here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmi_QpZNzk

PointerCone
03-01-2016, 03:49 PM
Technically ITS NOT shooting through trees or bushes, it has an Obstruction mode that disregards obstacles. The TSs and many LTI guns have this as well. Hold the gun right in front of a tree and shoot and it wont disregard THAT obstruction.

Won Hunglo
03-01-2016, 06:23 PM
Very scary. Has anyone had any experience against it or operating one (Roy?) Does this mean that laser counter measures are no longer effective?

The youtube is here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmi_QpZNzk
FYI. Roy won't be answering. He has moved on from this world.

Veil Guy
03-02-2016, 10:52 AM
Very scary. Has anyone had any experience against it or operating one (Roy?) Does this mean that laser counter measures are no longer effective?

The youtube is here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmi_QpZNzk

To answer your question, it means that it's getting more difficult on CMs each passing day.

Here's the thing with shooting lasers in this way and it's an important one to be aware of. They are going to tend to be more off-axis (at greater angles) than what you see in closed course testing or with shots directly from the median or shoulder--which would be more straight-on (which makes it easier for any jammer).

With off-axis shots and possible through obstructions it's simply going to make it (much) harder on jammers to either alert or effectively jam. This goes for overpass shots as well which also take place at off-axis. With off-axis shots, especially more extreme angles, just like radar, indicated speeds will drop, but not significantly so.

The Stalker XLR, in particular, as well as the Dragon guns are very effective at handling difficult obstruction scenarios.

There are also other factors that will effect jamming effectiveness that simply haven't been tested (or published, at least). Perhaps these real-world scenarios will be tested and the full results published to really give the owners of jammers a better look at how things actually perform in the real-world.

Here's an example I encountered outside of Dover, DE. Very tough real-world targeting scenario.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s9qyj3Zdqg

The interesting thing as it relates to passive CMs like Veil or Ontrack's Lasershield, these countermeasures tend to perform better in these scenarios which is why I believe a defense-in-depth approach is the best overall approach to maximizing your odds at defeating police laser in the greatest number of varied targeting scenarios.

Hessen
03-10-2016, 09:48 AM
There are also other factors that will effect jamming effectiveness that simply haven't been tested (or published, at least). Perhaps these real-world scenarios will be tested and the full results published to really give the owners of jammers a better look at how things actually perform in the real-world.




Thank you for being honest.

I have come to take all this "testing" by various groups with a grain of salt. The testing scenarios were never what happens in the real world.

I've scrapped all of my Jammers. Don't use them anymore.

Jammers IMO give one a false sense of security and invincibility. Until you get bitten in the butt. Also they're banned here. Not worth the risk anymore.

I commute 60 miles one way to work. 80% highway. In the last calendar year I have experienced ZERO laser. It's just not that prevalent to justify the expense of Jammers IMO.

When I travel to the USA most states have a 70MPH limit on the interstates and the reality is, that's fast enough for me.

Veil Guy
03-11-2016, 09:49 AM
There are also other factors that will effect jamming effectiveness that simply haven't been tested (or published, at least). Perhaps these real-world scenarios will be tested and the full results published to really give the owners of jammers a better look at how things actually perform in the real-world.




Thank you for being honest.

I have come to take all this "testing" by various groups with a grain of salt. The testing scenarios were never what happens in the real world.

I've scrapped all of my Jammers. Don't use them anymore.

Jammers IMO give one a false sense of security and invincibility. Until you get bitten in the butt. Also they're banned here. Not worth the risk anymore.

I commute 60 miles one way to work. 80% highway. In the last calendar year I have experienced ZERO laser. It's just not that prevalent to justify the expense of Jammers IMO.

When I travel to the USA most states have a 70MPH limit on the interstates and the reality is, that's fast enough for me.

I agree with your assessments about taking result with a grain of salt.

As these groups have evolved over the years, certain members of these groups have become very closely aligned with some of the manufacturers themselves. In fact one member, just recently, was positioning himself to become a "distributor" for one them, while I understand during that time he was sharing some privileged information from another competing jammer company to that vendor.

At the laser jamming portion of the Arizona test last year, certain results that were less than flattering were completely removed from publication (as was properly stated in Roy's article about it) and one DragonEye gun that was tearing up the jammers was put back down on the table not to be used any longer for those "tests."

When one individuals who observed this asked why, the "tester" stated "we want the jammers look good." That's a direct quote that was heard by several individuals who were standing nearby. It's been subsequently denied, of course, but that's the way it went down.

I can understand and appreciate the efforts, today, of individuals who want to help make jammers better whether they have a direct financial interest at stake or not. But the laser portion of the AZ test last year turned more into a product development and manufacturer testing event than testing for the consumer. As it turned out, one manufacturer made a surprise appearance without any advanced notice and the testing group allowed the test to essentially become co-opted by them for the purposes of product development. This was entirely inappropriate and unfair to other mfrs including Blinder and Escort.

They're a lot of hidden agendas and the results do give a false sense of security to users of jammers. I have also read that recommended setups should be comprised of five head systems! Good for the manufacturers, not so good for the consumer that has to spend multi-thousands of dollars to get them and have them professionally installed. To be clear, I am not personally against the use of jammers, they do have a place in the right circumstances. I personally drive with a Blinder and an Escort shifter (along with Veil of course), a great radar detector, and Waze and have yet to have that setup fail me.

Since I mentioned Waze, I am heavily recommending that everyone use this smartphone app in conjunction with a good radar detector. Waze is absolutely free to use and I am finding alerts to the majority of potential traffic enforcement encounters on the highway which is especially important as many of these encounters LEO's are not actively using radar or laser at any given moment, but it's important to still know they are ahead waiting for you.