View Full Version : Anti-Laser Pro Park software upgradeability non existent?
In the beginning Anti-Laser said their new jammer would be able to be upgraded via the internet. This is why they showed us in earlier pictures a USB port.
It's my understanding that this statement is no longer true and any future upgrades must be performed by a dedicated programmer.
To Anti-Laser:
My question to anti-laser is what is your company planning on doing to make it easier for us Americans to upgrade the jammer w/o having to send the unit back all the way to Croatia?
To forum members
The Escort ZR3, Blinder, and Lidatek don't have internet upgradability features. You have to send the unit in if they even have an upgrade available. Does this internet upgradablity feature play a huge role in your purchasing decision?
JTW
Vonkie
03-26-2006, 09:59 AM
To be able to upgrade yourself would be great!!!!!
Unless you have a homebuilt unit of course....... 8)
Should new laser frequencies be allocated by the Home Office then the unit can be upgraded in the field using the USB port in the junction box.
This is what the Pro-Park website advertises. Anti-laser, where is the closest "field" location in the USA?
JTW
stalker
03-26-2006, 01:07 PM
Great question Chris, This is what I have been asking all along,even before the AL was released and i mentioned it to the forum and I never got any sort of definate answer from them.
I was only asking this so potential clients knew if they could or not as I would be extremly pi$$ed if i bought it and we had a Blinder/stealth scenario and i couldnt update it!
Nice to see the questions are going both ways ;)
Lets hope the LPP or AL guys give a definate answer in writing!
thestaton
03-26-2006, 01:13 PM
I think it would be a nice add-on, however if it jams everything 100% then it would not be that big of a deal. If my local departments upgraded guns and it was not covered worst case scenario I'd have to mail off the brainbox.
stalker
03-26-2006, 01:23 PM
I think it would be a nice add-on, however if it jams everything 100% then it would not be that big of a deal. If my local departments upgraded guns and it was not covered worst case scenario I'd have to mail off the brainbox.
I maybe wrong but I beleive most of the brains are in the jamming head?? I would mean a complete removal of almost the entire system.
crazyVOLVOrob
03-26-2006, 04:13 PM
I am willing to bet that Anti-Laser folks will be working on how to update it via internet. In my conversation with on of the jammer companies you listed above they told me that they usually would like to run a bench test on the unit after they are updated to make sure the update is working. Also they like to check the jammer for possible problems
Longsnowsm
03-26-2006, 04:21 PM
Yes, having the ability to update the unit is a big deal to me. If that isn't going to be possible, then I will be watching for the Drive Smart product.
Obviously performance of these jammers is the most important part, but I would buy a user upgradeable unit over one that is not.
Longsnowsm
nvr2fast
03-26-2006, 07:11 PM
Thing is, the AL6.5 (anti laser park pro) has already been proven by JTW and others NOT to jam unknown guns as it does not have any generic detection or jammer sequence or algorithm.
That means it is more important than ever to be able to add in new guns or tune it accordingly.
Just because it has a USB-looking port does not mean you can necessarily just plug it into your computer. Maybe they used a USB-looking port simply because the USB connectors are cheap, and could just as easily use a serial-looking port or any other looking port.
Thing is, the AL6.5 (anti laser park pro) has already been proven by JTW and others NOT to jam unknown guns as it does not have any generic detection or jammer sequence or algorithm.
That means it is more important than ever to be able to add in new guns or tune it accordingly.
Just because it has a USB-looking port does not mean you can necessarily just plug it into your computer. Maybe they used a USB-looking port simply because the USB connectors are cheap, and could just as easily use a serial-looking port or any other looking port.
A very good point nvr2fast. It was actually a GoL member(didn't know if you wanted to be annonymous) who confirmed the Pro-Park didn't have a generic jamming code and didn't detect new guns. No credit should be given to me on that find at all.
I don't have a problem sending in a Pro-Park to have it updated, but I think it would be a huge waste of time and money to have to send it all the way to croatia. They would need to set up a USA dealer/programmer right away(hint: Radar Roy :wink: )
JTW
crazyVOLVOrob
03-26-2006, 07:21 PM
The Anti-laser jams every gun I will ever see in my travels of NY...These "new" laser guns fortunately haven't caught on and will most likely not catch on sort of like how the new-con optics gun wasn't embraced
The Anti-laser jams every gun I will ever see in my travels of NY...These "new" laser guns fortunately haven't caught on and will most likely not catch on sort of like how the new-con optics gun wasn't embraced
The New-Con lidar gun hasn't been approved by the IACP yet. When it does expect a huge flood of them to sweep the nation because they'll be the cheapest lidar gun ever produced!
JTW
crazyVOLVOrob
03-26-2006, 07:29 PM
The Anti-laser jams every gun I will ever see in my travels of NY...These "new" laser guns fortunately haven't caught on and will most likely not catch on sort of like how the new-con optics gun wasn't embraced
The New-Con lidar gun hasn't been approved by the IACP yet. When it does expect a huge flood of them to sweep the nation because they'll be the cheapest lidar gun ever produced!
JTWNot in NY for awhile at least. Ny spent a huge sum of money on new radar equipment specifically some MPH industry radar guns and some LTI ultralytes :lol: They are tapped out
The Anti-laser jams every gun I will ever see in my travels of NY...These "new" laser guns fortunately haven't caught on and will most likely not catch on sort of like how the new-con optics gun wasn't embraced
The New-Con lidar gun hasn't been approved by the IACP yet. When it does expect a huge flood of them to sweep the nation because they'll be the cheapest lidar gun ever produced!
JTWNot in NY for awhile at least. Ny spent a huge sum of money on new radar equipment specifically some MPH industry radar guns and some LTI ultralytes :lol: They are tapped out
What if a cheaper lidar gun manufacturer decided to give out lidar guns for FREE, but the city or state would have to pay the manufacturer 25% of the speeding ticket revenue 8) Wouldn't that be a shame if lidar gun manufacturers did exactly what the photo radar companies do.
Longsnowsm
03-26-2006, 10:31 PM
I just think that in this day and age there shouldn't be a reason to ship a product in to the manufacturer. I can do firmware upgrades on a computer and it is far more complex hardware than these jammers. I think that if AL misses the boat and cannot be upgraded by the user then I will at least wait to see what the DS team comes up with. I don't want to be too quick to jump the gun on this purchase... Been there and done that before. :embarassed:
Longsnowsm
stalker
03-27-2006, 03:34 AM
Taken straight from Kris Shortlands website;
Should new laser frequencies be allocated by the Home Office then the unit can be upgraded in the field using the USB port in the junction box. We believe the Laser Pro Park will increase your driving pleasure and keep you and your vehicle safe from unnecessary damage for many years to come
Junction box as in the additional programmer or via the head (where the brains are) or via the in car box??????????
Also how do you remove the head?? The cable runs thru the bulk head! Would the entire system have to be removed to send back for programming??
Taken straight from Kris Shortlands website;
Should new laser frequencies be allocated by the Home Office then the unit can be upgraded in the field using the USB port in the junction box. We believe the Laser Pro Park will increase your driving pleasure and keep you and your vehicle safe from unnecessary damage for many years to come
Junction box as in the additional programmer or via the head (where the brains are) or via the in car box??????????
The USB hub is not on the jammer head.
Here is the box they're talking about with the USB hub.
http://www.laserprotector.com/images/laserpro_park1.gif
This image was taken off of laser protectors website.
JTW
stalker
03-27-2006, 03:39 AM
yeah but the head must be attached to program it as all brains are in there!!! so all must be sent back? There is no components in the in car box to program, it is all in the head!
Hessen
03-27-2006, 06:40 AM
USB port to upgrade on line........ABSOLUTELY :!:
If my Garmin GPS has this capability, WHY NOT a top end Jammer :?:
stalker
03-27-2006, 06:52 AM
yeah and it never snows in the Alps ;)
HighVoltage
03-27-2006, 09:06 AM
yeah but the head must be attached to program it as all brains are in there!!! so all must be sent back? There is no components in the in car box to program, it is all in the head!
I dont see why it isnt feasible to update the heads via the "car box". Its a Universal Serial Bus port, easy enough to program along a few feet of cable (USB 1.1 = 3 - 5meters). The USB transciever does not need to be located in the "car box", unless you know otherwise? Could just be where they decided to mount the plug and continue to run the lines through the cable down to the head. A good idea as everyone has noted that it would be a pain to have to remove the heads in order to reprogram.
go.mouse
03-27-2006, 09:09 AM
Only the firmware in the junction box needs to be upgraded I believe. The jammer head is just an external sensor/actuator connected to the junction box, which contains the microprocessor that controls everything.
yeah but the head must be attached to program it as all brains are in there!!! so all must be sent back? There is no components in the in car box to program, it is all in the head!
jimbonzzz
03-27-2006, 10:15 AM
I can tell you this: at least for Blinder, the "Brains" are in the transponders, the "junction box" is basically just the alert circuits.
For other jammers, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the brains were in the transponsers, for a couple of reasons. Jamming laser guns requires high timing resolution. The control circuits need to be as close to the LEDs/Laser diodes as possible. Also, for these short signals, there would be a lot of potential for noise if the control signals had to go through a long cable to the transponders.
Jim
crazyVOLVOrob
03-27-2006, 11:40 AM
I can tell you this: at least for Blinder, the "Brains" are in the transponders, the "junction box" is basically just the alert circuits.
For other jammers, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the brains were in the transponsers, for a couple of reasons. Jamming laser guns requires high timing resolution. The control circuits need to be as close to the LEDs/Laser diodes as possible. Also, for these short signals, there would be a lot of potential for noise if the control signals had to go through a long cable to the transponders.
JimInteresting to see how the Drive-smart will work if their brains are in the control unit
drive-smart
03-27-2006, 12:20 PM
I can tell you this: at least for Blinder, the "Brains" are in the transponders, the "junction box" is basically just the alert circuits.
For other jammers, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the brains were in the transponsers, for a couple of reasons. Jamming laser guns requires high timing resolution. The control circuits need to be as close to the LEDs/Laser diodes as possible. Also, for these short signals, there would be a lot of potential for noise if the control signals had to go through a long cable to the transponders.
JimInteresting to see how the Drive-smart will work if their brains are in the control unit
Hi Rob,
There are 3 processors in the Defender2 system.
1 x in the in-car box
2 x in the Defender2 head
The one in the in-car box stores information for example when you upgrade it or set your own custom settings etc and then when plugging it back in to the system it updates the processors in the head.
All this runs via a CANBUS system.
Its 100% correct what Jimbonzz has quoted and all the brains must be in the head.
HighVoltage
03-27-2006, 12:59 PM
All this runs via a CANBUS system.
Smart choice for automotive...Do you use an existing protocol (J1939) or your own stuff??
nvr2fast
03-27-2006, 04:57 PM
Guys... i've said it in another thread, but I'll say it again... just because a connector LOOKS like it is USB, serial, or whatever, does NOT mean it is what you think.
So just because something looks like it is a standard USB port (like the stuff you plug into your computer) do not assume that. Just as a telephone cord cable does NOT mean it is plugged into a telephone (duh... our detectors use this...), same thing applies to other things like the AL6.5 "USB-looking" port.
cyberblob
03-27-2006, 06:58 PM
Guys... i've said it in another thread, but I'll say it again... just because a connector LOOKS like it is USB, serial, or whatever, does NOT mean it is what you think.
So just because something looks like it is a standard USB port (like the stuff you plug into your computer) do not assume that. Just as a telephone cord cable does NOT mean it is plugged into a telephone (duh... our detectors use this...), same thing applies to other things like the AL6.5 "USB-looking" port.
But that can be easily tested. If they followed the USB standards.
cyberblob
03-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Guys... i've said it in another thread, but I'll say it again... just because a connector LOOKS like it is USB, serial, or whatever, does NOT mean it is what you think.
So just because something looks like it is a standard USB port (like the stuff you plug into your computer) do not assume that. Just as a telephone cord cable does NOT mean it is plugged into a telephone (duh... our detectors use this...), same thing applies to other things like the AL6.5 "USB-looking" port.
I have the info now that states it is a standard USB connection.
stalker
03-27-2006, 08:27 PM
yes it is a USB connection, but that doesnt mean it is used for programming.
It is used to connect a bluetooth cheetah system that connects a wireless alert system (like the incar box but wireless) and nothing else. This system is very expensive and not really worth it.
At this stage the USB is NOT used for direct (standalone) PC connection.
WOULD ANTILASER CARE TO COMMENT ON THIS!!!!! It needs to be sorted once and for all, they have existing and potential customers who want to know. Dont be shy guys.
crazyVOLVOrob
03-27-2006, 08:33 PM
It is used to connect a bluetooth cheetah system that connects a wireless alert system (like the incar box but wireless) and nothing else. This system is very expensive and not really worth it.
Do we know this for sure?
Also if the brains of the Defender2 aka Drive-Smart's laser jammer are in the transponder, does the transponder need to be connected to the control box? If so it might make software updates hard for those with out wireless internet and a laptop
stalker
03-27-2006, 08:59 PM
DS is all runing on a CANBUS system, so it is very easy to remove if needed, but i doubt it will be needed as 2 chips are in the head and 1 in the control box, so you flash the chip in the control box, then plug it in and it flashes the rest of the system. No laptop needed :D 8)
Only a theory tho ;)
But sure wont be as hard as having to send the whole unit to Croatia where a goat might eat it :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :o :) 8)
drive-smart
03-27-2006, 10:58 PM
It is used to connect a bluetooth cheetah system that connects a wireless alert system (like the incar box but wireless) and nothing else. This system is very expensive and not really worth it.
Do we know this for sure?
Also if the brains of the Defender2 aka Drive-Smart's laser jammer are in the transponder, does the transponder need to be connected to the control box? If so it might make software updates hard for those with out wireless internet and a laptop
Hi Rob,
Look at the design of the in-car box and maybe we did not make the last post too clear.
The in-car box is all you need to program on your PC it simply unplugs from the car and plugs into your PC.
Once you have updated the software or modified the user settings simply plug the in-car box back into the system and power up,It then automatically updates the software in the Defender2 head.
Its been designed to be as user friendly and as simple as possible,I don't think we could have made it any easier.
It is used to connect a bluetooth cheetah system that connects a wireless alert system (like the incar box but wireless) and nothing else. This system is very expensive and not really worth it.
Do we know this for sure?
Also if the brains of the Defender2 aka Drive-Smart's laser jammer are in the transponder, does the transponder need to be connected to the control box? If so it might make software updates hard for those with out wireless internet and a laptop
Hi Rob,
Look at the design of the in-car box and maybe we did not make the last post too clear.
The in-car box is all you need to program on your PC it simply unplugs from the car and plugs into your PC.
Once you have updated the software or modified the user settings simply plug the in-car box back into the system and power up,It then automatically updates the software in the Defender2 head.
Its been designed to be as user friendly and as simple as possible,I don't think we could have made it any easier.
I wish Anti-Laser would follow suit with this feature.
nvr2fast
03-28-2006, 01:12 AM
Indeed, if the Drive Smart system really does work that way, it is a killer feature.
Now as long as their performance is equivilent to the AL6.5 (slightly better or worse is fine, but much better would of course make this a no-brainer), I know where my money is going!
I want a package with front and rear protection for a black car too ;-)
crazyVOLVOrob
03-28-2006, 10:06 AM
But sure wont be as hard as having to send the whole unit to Croatia where a goat might eat it :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :o :) 8)Just a question whats the percentage of MPH industry radar guns that have POP currently on the market. I not exactly sure but I know they don't "have" a huge part. I don't expect to see these new laser guns to spead like wild fire plus i already have a jammer with a general jam sequence that jams the LTI ultralyte when handheld to the gun on a silver SUV(Lidatek LE30 dual) That jammer isn't coming off my car until it is totally useless.
yeah Chri has some big ideas about how this new cheap lidar gun will spead like wild fire. Unfortunately NY bought way to much radar and laser equipment that they won't be buying new stuff in awhile(2-3 years) with as much laser I see on my driving in half a year with my lidatek the Anti-Laser will have payed it self off in gold if i decide to purchase. Continuously improvements are a nice idea but really i just need a jammer that works then I'll get a new one that works after the jammer i have is useless. Look at all the jammers and radar detectors they all have to be sent in for updates I think this is a great thing cause i know my unit is tested before it leaves the factory again to make sure the updates take. Also you are making the big assumption that Anti-Laser/Laser Protector will never be sold in the states. Currently you would only have to send your unit to the UK not just croatia. Anti-laser is most likely working on an american supplier. But their are certain issues that must be taken care of if they sell in the US
Stalker you didn't answer my question about you saying the USB was for a bluetooth system...You know this for sure?
But sure wont be as hard as having to send the whole unit to Croatia where a goat might eat it :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :o :) 8)Just a question whats the percentage of MPH industry radar guns that have POP currently on the market. I not exactly sure but I know they don't "have" a huge part. I don't expect to see these new laser guns to spead like wild fire plus i already have a jammer with a general jam sequence that jams the LTI ultralyte when handheld to the gun on a silver SUV(Lidatek LE30 dual) That jammer isn't coming off my car until it is totally useless.
yeah Chri has some big ideas about how this new cheap lidar gun will spead like wild fire. Unfortunately NY bought way to much radar and laser equipment that they won't be buying new stuff in awhile(2-3 years) with as much laser I see on my driving in half a year with my lidatek the Anti-Laser will have payed it self off in gold if i decide to purchase. Continuously improvements are a nice idea but really i just need a jammer that works then I'll get a new one that works after the jammer i have is useless. Look at all the jammers and radar detectors they all have to be sent in for updates I think this is a great thing cause i know my unit is tested before it leaves the factory again to make sure the updates take. Also you are making the big assumption that Anti-Laser/Laser Protector will never be sold in the states. Currently you would only have to send your unit to the UK not just croatia. Anti-laser is most likely working on an american supplier. But their are certain issues that must be taken care of if they sell in the US
Stalker you didn't answer my question about you saying the USB was for a bluetooth system...You know this for sure?
Having a jammer that can be updated from a personal computer would show that the company who made this user friendly system has more sophistication and know how than a company that hasn't implemented this feature. If you're going to type up a word document would you rather use a typewriter or a computer? I would trust that the company with the better technology will last longer and if a problem happend I'd trust the company with the smarter engineers would be able to fix the problem faster.
JTW