who thinks which car would win?
who thinks which car would win?
What kind of Z4?
Yeah is it the Z4i or the Z4si?????
and then the Supra, its an old one running either I think a 1JZ-GTE (Oh Im sorry was it 1JZ-FE??? ) or a 7M-GTE (Again not sure if its not a 7M-FE )
Either way Supras arent all what theyre cracked up to be, sure more power but the Z has about the same (STOCK), a Lighter body, and better aerodynamics.......So I vote Z4 all the way
German engineering surpasses in this case...........then again I have some problems with 2 big Jap car manufacturers: Mitchy Bitc**y and Toy Yoda, the ones in my household seem to break too often
but for the record......what is your definition of "Slightly modded"??
IMMO that MkIII Celica SUPRA is a POS......now the Mk.IV Celica SUPRA is a REAL CAR, in that case id definately vote the Supra over the Z4 :wink:
Originally Posted by Arashi666
Actually... I must barge in here and say that both the MkIII/Mk IV Supras are not Celica Supras, 1985 was the last year of the Celica-Supra, and for the redesign (acually change from MkII to MkIII) in 1986 the Celica and the Supra went their different ways.
But I do agree the MarkIII Supras were not the animals that the MkIV's turned out to be... also remember the early/mid 90's was really when the Japanese supercars hit the market...Mitsubishi 3000GT (VR-4), Nissan 300ZX (Z32), Mazda RX-7 Spirit R-Spirit A, Toyota Supra MkIV (2JZ-GTE), so that is one reason for the MkIV Supra being such a dominated figure over its older MkIII... it was created in the figurative arms-race between the 4-main Japanese car manufacturers... also included as a 5th wheel could be the the Nissan Skyline of the R32/R33/R34 (GT-R) badges.
Also I must agree with SAS and Arashi, the model of the Z4 really matters... its imperative, also what is your definition of 'slightly modified'.
well thanks Air, I didnt know thatOriginally Posted by AirMoore
and a bit from me to you, the Mitsu 3000GT was called the GTO in japan but not in the US for... well obvious reasons and they were the Z15A GTOs, the VR-4 is a certain trim of the 3000GT with 4WD Twin Turbo, as opposed to the base models
and the MkIVs were chasis JZA80, 2JZ-GTE was the engine, a beautiful 3.0l I6 Twin Turbo
also in a test done by some party or another, raced an SW20 MR-2 (w/ 3S-GTE 2.0l I4 SINGLE Turbo) and the JZA80 MkIV Supra RZ (2JZ-GTE 3.0l I6 Twin Turbo) STOCK for STOCK the MR2 beat the s**t out of the Supra
Thank you for the bit on the 3000GT, however, I have a fair deal of experience with them... as my neighbor had one 1995 VR-4 (with a 1999 front end), among other things, that could have boosted to 30PSI... that is until there was a slight accident. He had about 15K+ into the engine bay alone, not to mention he did away with the active-aero package for a better/lighter look... he also took the front piece of the A-A off. He had custom embroidered leather seats, the stock 18 inch chromers and of course the 1999 front end conversion (thats just his cosmetics).Originally Posted by Arashi666
And I was just stating the motor of the MkIV Supra since I saw you talking about MkIII engines and wasn't 100% sure if you knew the numbers for the MkIV Supra which you certainly do.
I believe the MR-2 beat the Supra, in that test you describe. I believe (along with many others) the problem with the d*mn Supras (and also the 3K GT VR-4's) was their hefty figure... aka they were FAT compared to the likes of the Mazda... so unless they were upgraded (which they were certainly designed for), they didnt seem like the dominating cars on the street that they could be stock (if they were lighter)... that said they were still rather impressive.
I guess I should also note I said the Mazda Spirit R- Spirit A, and to be technical this car was a limited run edition car with less then 1,000 still in existance today, so technically I should not have said the Mazda RX-7 Spirit R/A, but rather Mazda RX-7 3rd Gen Series 6 (Since it was the only widely available production series given to the USA via 1993-1995 distribution.) Also to note: Only in N.A. was the Mazda RX-7 called the mazda RX-7, everywhere else it was called the Mazda Efini RX-7 (I believe) until Series 7... which again wasn't available in the US. Basically what I am saying is even though the Mazda RX-7 was a Japanese supercar that sold in the U.S. its sale was manufacturer limited for us here to the well known 3RD Gen series 6, everywhere else it got a different Name (Efini) -Until series 7- and completely different Badging like the Spirit R -Spirit A which was never commercially available here... and also the RX-7SP which never even reached the number 50 in production.
Thanks for the info as well... always good to learn new things on here. I must say even though I can talk about these cars... I really* wish I could afford one.
Yeah Supra resale values are ridiculous due to the Fast and Furious nonsense... A '94 Supra today sells for more than a loaded Firebird Formula did, NEW a few years ago, and the Formula will kick the Toyota's ass from here to Toyota City (yeah that's what it's called )
Efini was one of those weird Mazda "division dealer chain" things in Japan during the 1990's. There was also Eunos (Miata (MX-5), Cosmo), Efini, Autozam, something else... it was somewhat like GM and Oldsmobile/Buick/Pontiac etc, different dealers different cars. Anyway AFAIK that's all been scrapped now, and I guess it's no wonder why Mazda was royally in the ****s in the 1990's and now is running wide-open...
Hey don't forget the 300 ZX... it was like a Supra but with taste and style :wink: Sold much better too, wonder why
Celica Supra was called because it was basically a "supra-Celica", same car but with an extra 2 cylinders... I still like the early '80's Supras, stick a V8 in there, or the 86-92 style, front end treatment came off very well. When they tried to go retro-2000GT in the '90's IMO it just came off flabby and boring/weird.
Yeah, Efini was switched like a light basically with Mazda, but for the 3rd Gen Series 6 that was released to the USA as the Mazda RX-7, everywhere else it was known as the Mazda Efini RX-7 (Then its badging)... again thats until they scrapped that caphooeee.Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr
Hey Hey, look at my first post of the 4/5 Japanese supercars I said the (Z32)!!!! (300 ZX)Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr
And to be honest I personally don't like the Z32's all that much (or the Z31's, which look even worse, for that matter)... their styling IMO wasn't the best. I like the Mazda, the Mits, the Supra, the Nissans (in that order) -In their prime early-mid-late 1990's form(s)-.
The Nissan Z32 many feel looks like a mix of a mid 80's Porsche (front end), and the side view of a 80's Ferrari, like they just stole the designs and slapped them on their 1990's Japanese supercar, which was hot in the 90's (heck it was like driving a -visual- Ferrari/Porsche combo from the 80's)... but with rounded off edges.
Also to be honest, the Z31 sold very well, the Z32 (which is considered the real supercar of the two) didn't sell very hot.
So remember the 2nd gen RX-7 it was a Porsche 944 with Dodge Daytona doors...
Only so many ways to make a box on wheels
So hey what's this a Series 7 RX? Is that just the continuation of the 3rd generation for the home market (since Mazda didn't bother with OBD-II investment because they had no money)
I still like the 1st generation best (particularly 81-85)... Cool looks and original style as well. Plus the hood opens the right way.
I still love Mazda rotary engines... you can take the whole engine out, and you don't need an engine lift or anything, just grab the crank pulley and the flywheel and lift it out, it's smaller than my computer monitor...