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    Default Where will the power stop?

    I'm a guy who likes power. A lot... so when cars get more horses under the hood, I like that

    But has anyone noticed a staggering increase in horsepower numbers over the past, 7 years or so?

    A Corvette in 1991 had 245hp. 2005 has 400.

    A top-line GM midsize car had 215hp in the early/mid '90's. Now they have 303.

    A Corolla had 92hp in the early 1990's. Now they have 130, and 180 on the "sport" model

    In the early 1990's, a Mustang had 90 horses. Now they have 300 (and what, 220 on the base?)

    A Chevy diesel pickup had 130hp in 1990 - now the same model has 330hp.

    I remember cheap cars in Canada had 1.3 or 1.5 litre engines, with the occasional 1.6 litre in Mazda 323's and "sport" Honda Civics. Now the 323 replacement has a 2.0 or 2.3 litre motor, Honda runs 1.7's, Nissan puts 1.8's and even 2.5 litre motors in the Sentra, GM puts 2.2's in their small cars. Toyota still puts a 1.5 in the Echo and GM uses a 1.6 in their Daewoo-base cars. The 1.0/1.3 litre Suzuki-based Geos are not even around anymore.

    A "Japanese" import midsize in the mid 1990's was generally a 110-hp 2.0 litre 4cyl and a 160hp 2.5 litre V6 - now we have 160hp 2.3 4's and 230hp 3.3 litre V6's.

    Bigger, heavier, more power. So in a few years, will your Chevy Malibu be coming to you with a 620hp 572 big block?

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    Great Topic. I also have noticed this trend for awhile now. Many cars are getting pumped with more horsepower and lower 0-60 1/4 mile times every year. It does have to stop somewhere before the only thing that changes is the body and maybe a few in car attributes, I guess the only question is when? But honestly, who really needs a car that can go faster than a 11 sec quarter mile for the streets, seriously? That is plenty plenty fast. I cant see it going on too much longer before they must have a NHRA license lol! Check this vid out, see what it feels like to do 8.60 second 1/4 mile at 160.... I cant see people doing this on the streets, or maybe im wrong? :wink: http://www.fasttrackperformance.com/...Incar_Chow.mpg

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    It's just the modern version of the muscle car fad in the 60s and 70s.

    Now that gas prices are ridiculously high and only getting higher, I'll bet we'll start to see a reversal in the power trend.
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    They're figuring out how to squeeze more horsepower out of smaller engines. There's still more they can do, but they're getting there. But sometimes, I think they've went backwards on stuff. Used to have an '87 Monte with the 5.0. Don't know how many horses that had, but man was it fast. My Impala has I think 200hp stock with the 3800 V6, and it's pretty fast, but the Monte was a whole lot faster.

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    well my mrs new v6 has 200KW std...the same car 15 years ago had 110KW....more power....hmmmmm yummy

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    Power more Power..................ARGGGGggggHHHHHHHHHHH Argghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..


    Gotta love it.

    My first new car was a 1969 Cougar 428 Cu V8. What a monster it was. Stock did 13.8 in the 1/4 mile. I thought it was pretty fast.

    My 2000 SS is faster..................and is faster than most muscle cars of the era. 13.5 in 1/4 with me the old fart driving. Most will do 13.0 second and less properly driven.

    Gotta love it.

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    I want an SS... I used to drive by the SLP works, I bet I saw them "modifiť" your car...

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    The most power you will get will come from superconductor electric motors. The torque is unreal with theoretical unlimited horsepower. Not to mention you could run these at 30k RPM or more. The spooling time is also extreme. They can go from not moving to full speed in a split second.

    The problem I see if they would have a hard time making a car that could hold up to the motors. Transmissions and tires would be a big issue. We are still a little ways away from having such beasts under the hood, but it will happen. At that point ICE's will become slow and old. The future of horsepower is not with dinosaur juice.

    I realize the romance is just not with these. Someday it might be.

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    An electric motor by nature has a constant torque throughout it's rpm range, and therfore the horsepower increases on a straight line right up to redline, which is very high since it just spins.

    As a consequence, you don't really need a transmission either.

    But where does the juice come from? Fuel cells?

    And something about driving a glorified golf cart seems wrong. I love blasting through the gears on a rural road in the morning, and I like my car to make cool noises (vroom whoosh burble...)_. A quiet "whirrr" on acceleration is pretty boring by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr
    An electric motor by nature has a constant torque throughout it's rpm range, and therfore the horsepower increases on a straight line right up to redline, which is very high since it just spins.

    As a consequence, you don't really need a transmission either.

    But where does the juice come from? Fuel cells?

    And something about driving a glorified golf cart seems wrong. I love blasting through the gears on a rural road in the morning, and I like my car to make cool noises (vroom whoosh burble...)_. A quiet "whirrr" on acceleration is pretty boring by comparison.
    They actually use superconductor motors to power the ships that bring over the oil. Also the US Navy is now using them in most of their new ships and submarines. They take less space and need very little power to keep them going. The efficiency is very high. So yes the power could come from fuel cells or even just regular batteries. Regenerative braking could also be used to help extend the range. None of your current electric cars use superconductors. It's an entirely different game then traditional electric motors. The problem of course is how to keep them cool. They are coming out with higher and higher temp superconductors all the time. So we just have to wait.

    Like I said, the romance is just not with electric. Once electric starts to smoke the old smoggers then people will start to feel the desire.

 

 

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