Cars and speeding

[pilot_corey]

Ok, so I have tried to keep my thoughts about this to myself on the forum, but I am sometimes amazed at the types of cars people are trying to put laser jammers on.

Like I said, it's some vehicles. Most people aren't driving Audi, or Porsche SUVs. I have seen way too many yukons, suburbans, Cherokees and the like speeding way faster than they should. I dont mean to make this an argument, I was simply trying to point out that even the best drivers are dangerous in certain vehicles. People need to use common sense. When your vehicle was clearly not designed to be driven fast, you probably should not be using countermeasures and speeding. It's too dangerous.

Just in case you didn't read your first sentence above, I quoted it for you. I live in a state where people tend to have money and in an area where jammers are not common, but are also not rare..... if that makes sense. The SUVs I quoted above are the ones that I commonly see with jammers. Other SUVs, the ones that don't perform (the ones that you are probably referring to), usually don't have them.

My point in my first post is that I don't agree with your first post. A dangerous driver is a dangerous driver. Doesn't matter what car it is. Didn't someone famous flip a 911 GT3 2 weeks ago and die in a fiery blaze.... Was he a good driver, obviously not. Did his car have jammers, probably did...

I totally agree that a bad driver is a bad driver, but no matter how good a driver you are, you will never make a huge SUV stop like a car, nor will you be able to maneuver like a car. I am not saying that everyone with an SUV is running a jamming system, but I see a lot of people on here asking about jammers on vehicles that don't seem safe to be driving at high rates of speed.

[PMoth]

I totally agree that a bad driver is a bad driver, but no matter how good a driver you are, you will never make a huge SUV stop like a car, nor will you be able to maneuver like a car. I am not saying that everyone with an SUV is running a jamming system, but I see a lot of people on here asking about jammers on vehicles that don't seem safe to be driving at high rates of speed.

A huge SUV doesn't need to stop or maneuver like a car. The driver needs to know how to drive, stop, and maneuver that "huge" SUV safely. They need to know the limits of their vehicle(s), or any vehicle for that matter. They should also know their personal limits. Saying statements like "you shouldn't be driving your huge SUV or truck at 15 mph+ over the psl" is wrong.

[Nvidia78]

A huge SUV doesn't need to stop or maneuver like a car. The driver needs to know how to drive, stop, and maneuver that "huge" SUV safely. They need to know the limits of their vehicle(s), or any vehicle for that matter. They should also know their personal limits. Saying statements like "you shouldn't be driving your huge SUV or truck at 15 mph+ over the psl" is wrong.

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[pilot_corey]

I totally agree that a bad driver is a bad driver, but no matter how good a driver you are, you will never make a huge SUV stop like a car, nor will you be able to maneuver like a car. I am not saying that everyone with an SUV is running a jamming system, but I see a lot of people on here asking about jammers on vehicles that don't seem safe to be driving at high rates of speed.

A huge SUV doesn't need to stop or maneuver like a car. The driver needs to know how to drive, stop, and maneuver that "huge" SUV safely. They need to know the limits of their vehicle(s), or any vehicle for that matter. They should also know their personal limits. Saying statements like "you shouldn't be driving your huge SUV or truck at 15 mph+ over the psl" is wrong.

I really don't think I am wrong. If traffic is flowing at 55mph and you have an SUV going 70 in the left lane its far more dangerous than a car. Should someone veer into the left lane it will take them a lot longer to stop and their chances of losing control of the vehicle are greater; especially given the fact that they are traveling faster than the other cars. I am talking about highway driving.

Lets say we have an SUV going 50 in a 40 in the city. A dog, a bike, or a person crosses in front of the road. Good luck stopping in time. That 10 mph less would have made a huge difference.

I think you believe I am insulting your driving skills or choice of car. I am not. I used to drive SUVs, but I always kept my speed well in check because they are dangerous vehicles. As I said before, it doesn't matter how good a driver you are when the vehicle can't stop or maneuver well. My point is that there are a number of people on here inquiring about jamming systems for their large trucks and SUVs. If they didn't plan on going at least PSL +15 in those vehicles, they would have no need for a jamming system.

[Stealth Stalker]

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The driver makes the vehicle perform.

One of the worst statements to ever come out of the auto (and racing) industry (industries), it is so true, yet so, so false at the same time regarding 4 wheels.

True. The benefit of being a "performance" driver is often negated by that driver having the overconfidence to push their limits. Even though lower skilled drivers are often pushing their limits, so are higher skilled drivers, so it really evens out. That's why BMW body shops are so busy.

[ONO5OH]

I think it's absolutely absurd saying that an SUV/Truck shouldn't be going 70MPH.

[kpatz]

I think it's absolutely to absurd saying that an SUV/Truck shouldn't be going 70MPH.

X2. Just think about it. Many interstates had PSLs of 70+ back in the 60s and 70s when ALL cars were big, heavy lumbering things with crappy brakes, suspensions and tires, that a modern Suburban can out-maneuver and outbrake any day. And a lot of those 70 mph interstates are now underposted at 55, so basically some are saying that it's unsafe for a modern SUV with radial tires, AWD, ABS, independent suspension, brake assist and stability controls shouldn't go 70 on that interstate when it was perfectly safe for the 60-something road yacht with bias-ply tires, drum brakes, and no power steering to go 70 on that same interstate 40 years ago?

[Nvidia78]

X2. Just think about it. Many interstates had PSLs of 70+ back in the 60s and 70s when ALL cars were big, heavy lumbering things with crappy brakes, suspensions and tires, that a modern Suburban can out-maneuver and outbrake any day. And a lot of those 70 mph interstates are now underposted at 55, so basically some are saying that it's unsafe for a modern SUV with radial tires, AWD, ABS, independent suspension, brake assist and stability controls shouldn't go 70 on that interstate when it was perfectly safe for the 60-something road yacht with bias-ply tires, drum brakes, and no power steering to go 70 on that same interstate 40 years ago?

X3... Well said!!

[AirMoore]

I think some of the OP's point is fairly valid... that being that with how much heavier the said SUV's/Trucks often are (often 1.25-2.25x heavier)... they are simply more dangerous than cars in an accident... to other people, and at the cost of avoiding an accident they are often more dangerous to the people in the Trucks/Suv's. The bottom line is: it's simple physics regarding more weight at any speed = greater impact force, and thus likely a higher danger.

On the other hand the OP goes slippery slope here... just given some random speed to say they can't go above is a bit hasty to me... I have to say, I don't like seeing most pick-up trucks, large SUV's (Suburbans, Expeditions etc) speeding too fast either. For example... On the thruway something like a Suburban going 96MPH makes me nervous in the 65 of the thruway. For me the cut-off for something like that would be the 80-85 range.


Here is why that is a slippery slope: Why are cars allowed to go so fast on the road, when they are an extreme danger to something like motorcycles? It seems that if SUV's are an exceptional danger to cars at a given speed compared to a car vs. car incident (they are indeed more dangerous)... why should cars be allowed to go so fast, when motorcycles are the one who is in danger from ALL of you damn cagers (and only endanger themselves essentially)? I mean, as a motorcyclist, I should have virtually unlimited rule of the road, since it is the cars and SUV's that endanger motorcycles with their weight and speed, and I say CARS AND SUV's need limits. SUV's more strict than cars.

[AirMoore]

I think it's absolutely to absurd saying that an SUV/Truck shouldn't be going 70MPH.

X2. Just think about it. Many interstates had PSLs of 70+ back in the 60s and 70s when ALL cars were big, heavy lumbering things with crappy brakes, suspensions and tires, that a modern Suburban can out-maneuver and outbrake any day. And a lot of those 70 mph interstates are now underposted at 55, so basically some are saying that it's unsafe for a modern SUV with radial tires, AWD, ABS, independent suspension, brake assist and stability controls shouldn't go 70 on that interstate when it was perfectly safe for the 60-something road yacht with bias-ply tires, drum brakes, and no power steering to go 70 on that same interstate 40 years ago?

It was never perfectly safe, they were just too stupid to realize how dangerous it was. I mean... they didn't even have seatbelt laws back then... finally they got those installed to make it safer for your fellow drivers (all under the guise of being safer for you).