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    Default comparison between 8500 (non x50) and new V1 1.8 pop2

    This review is intended for those, like me who may be in the market for a new detector and want to see some ďreal worldĒ comparisons. This thread isnít for the extremists to whine how theirs is the only one to have and all others suck, so go away. Scientific tests are great to compare potentials under like conditions, but in the real world cops donít park at the same angle in the same spot everyday. They donít set the radar gun on a tripod; itís in their lap or the front seat. We all donít live in the same place. This review should be taken for what it is and added to other such reviews, depending on what youíre looking for, where you live and how you drive. This one compares my several year old escort 8500(non x50) to my new v1 1.8 with pop2.
    I noticed some others have been giving good true life reviews, such as happya$$, and others. Thatís what we want to see, to make an informed decision. My review will be a bit different, since x band isnít in use around here (if it still is RadarRoy, please correct me), and I live in a different state, etc.
    Hereís my info and uses:
    I live in So. Arizona now and I drive a full sized 4x4 (So range may be different then in a small car). I live in a somewhat rural are, but do go into the middle of the city regularly. I take a lot of road trips, so my main concern is highway usage, but I donít want it driving me nuts in town either. I travel through Arizona and Nevada, to name a few, so I have been looking to upgrade to something with pop protection and hopefully even more long range protection. Also several departments have and are getting laser units, so any added protection with that the better. Iíve owned detectors for twenty years, back to my original bulky escort with the bar graph and yellow light. Iíve always owned escorts, (solo, 7500, and 8500) and they have saved me on many an occasion. The overall consensus is that bel, escort and V1 are the top three (the order changes depending on who you ask, but all three will serve you well). I canít compare the bels since Iíve never had one, so Iíll stick to these two.
    Iíve only had two days of use, so Iíll give my initial impressions and then report back with updates and more info. If anybody wants to add their experiences even with different ones, or links to other personal reviews, by all means do so. Itíll make it easier on others to find personal reviews and lend in there decision.
    Aside from pop protection I have wanted some kind of directional indicator for many years, so I just got a V1. I have a few weeks to compare and decide for my 30-day money back guarantee. Budget was more of a concern back then, so I went with the 8500. Either would have been a good choice. I donít have an x50 for comparison, so some things may be different (newer). Also someone on a tight budget who doesnít need pop may decide a used 8500 is the one for them.
    For the tests I have them high in the windshield, one on each side of the rear view mirror. Where applicable I will test one at a time on the same side. (Drivers)

    1. Packaging. The 8500 comes with a hard cover, the V1 costs extra. Iíve never had a need for one so itís personal choice.
    2. Mounting. The 8500 has a smaller bracket than the V1. Iím used to leaving the bracket at the top of the windshield, so the 8500 is easier to slide on and off one handed. The V1 is a bigger bracket but seems overall a little more sturdy. The V1 does have a bar on the suction cups though, so if you like taking that and the detector off, the V1 bracket is quicker/easier. Where I mount, it is fairly tight, so the V1 is a little more of a pain to make sure the cups are tight with it attached. Iíll update on this once I use it more.
    3. I hardwire, so I use the concealed display. I do like the V1ís better. It gives much more info. The 8500 only has a red flashing light. (Along with mute button and green power indicator) on its concealed display. Both have good, distinct audio indicators.

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    Got cut off. here's the rest.
    4. Speaking of mute, hereís a big difference, which may definitely go in favor of the 8500. The 8500 has full audible alert, with the option to auto mute down to around half volume or so. You can also press the mute button for full mute. I like this, although it would be even better if the muted volume were adjustable, and better yet if I could set the time to go to auto mute. The V1 is a different story. It has no auto mute, so unless you want to constantly reach up and play with the volume it will drive you nuts. It does have a manual mute with selectable volume, which I like, but I still have to reach over every single time I want to mute to that selected volume. There is also no way to do a full mute in this mode. You can opt to go to full mute when the button is pushed, but you lose the choice of the lower muted volume, so itís all or nothing. This became quickly annoying driving through a shopping center. I muted the 8500, but on the V1 unless I turned down the volume manually, I had to listen to all the tones and beeps. (Then later reach up again to turn it back up) Not to mention times in the past where a cop is behind me with radar on steady, so I could fully mute the 8500, but with the V1 I would have to reach up to the windshield every time and turn down the knob, then turn it back up when he passes. Iíll update as I try to get used to this difference.
    5. Range. So far the V1 has equaled or beaten the 8500 on k and ka band. I came across a DPS unit in a construction zone. At first I thought he was using steady radar (they use ka), but after several passes (9-10), I found he was also playing instant on. For this reason I couldnít do one at a time, so I left them both on. The V1 was a second to 20 seconds faster, depending on the pass. Some of the passes they were the same. I also came across a sheriffís unit (they run k). The V1 picked up a signal, then stopped. Around 10-15 seconds later, the V1 kicked in again, then stopped. (Stronger signal) A few more seconds and they both started going nuts. Up over the hill he was coming towards me. (2 lanes each direction w/median). The V1 definitely gave me more warning on that one. So far Iím starting to like the V1 and arrows, but Iím by no means close to enough usage and tests to make any kind of decision.
    One interesting thing on the rear radar. It does seem to pick up signals the 8500 misses, but not always that much better. Having said that, I was on that same stretch of highway later that night, when the V1 picked up a rear ka signal. (Finally, I know where these signals come from J) The 8500 was silent. The signal remained steady, so I slowed to let it catch up. Over several miles it did.
    A truck then passed me and the V1 went silent. It looked like there was a detector near the bottom of the dash but it was hard to tell, due to tinted windows. It had a light blue or green glow to it. As it got a couple of car lengths ahead, both detectors then blipped a ka warning. I let it get further ahead and both stopped.

    6. Sensitivity. I have been running Advanced logic mode. It is good about blocking x band interference, but Iíll probably shut that band off since itís not in use here, so I donít think I can give any comparisons or quality for x band. Now k and ka are a different story. The V1 is much more sensitive to signals. AKA more falses. I need to do much more testing to give a better comparison of city driving. If anyone can add to this next part please do so: I donít know all the details of what pop mode does on a RD. Does it increase the range to look for weak signals, or does it look for those shorter quick signals that older units donít have time to process? Either way from what Iíve gathered, any unit with pop protection on is more prone to false alarms. Turning it of may help, but whatís the point if you bought one of the newer ones for this protection, and then you disable it. It definitely falses more than my 8500.

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    Default Re: comparison between 8500 (non x50) and new V1 1.8 pop2

    Quote Originally Posted by RacerX
    This thread isnít for the extremists to whine how theirs is the only one to have and all others suck, so go away
    Amen! I have had a V1 and an Escort, and they are both great detectors; however, the v1 was lacking in filtering in the city for K band. It was always going off due to its great sensetivity. I was told to put on a 5 second delay on the k-bands, but in doing so you could kiss my instant-on radar chances goodbye. I find that the V1 is much more of a highway detector, and the escort is more of an all around detector. If you see a lot of highway and are not to concerned about the city- the V1 is the right detector. If you see a lot of both, I think the escort will suite you best.

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    Sorry about the 3 piece post, i guess there's a word limit.
    Now what can be done to detune it and still keep my range? The V1 does have a ka band ďfalse alarm guardĒ option. Default is on, mine is off. This sounds like it may do some analyzing of a ka signal before alerting, but if it decreases range/sensitivity/alert time is it good to have on or off? I also have a question on the auto k band muting. It seems it also has options to have it mute a k signal for a specified length of time before alerting. Again, how does this affect range/sensitivity/alert time? Will this put it close to my 8500 in comparison to falses, but at the cost of worse range? Anyone with a V1 or who knows what these are jump in. if not, Iíll email V1 and ask. This could be the deciding factor. If falses are ďcloseĒ and the range is equal or better, and pop works, then itís V1 for me. I wonít keep it if range is worse than my 8500 because pop causes too many false alerts when on. I still have lots more testing to do. If I can find some solid radar sources, I will play with the false guards on both bands. I will also ďdetune itĒ and see how the same highway range is. Time will tell.

    For those of you still with me, sorry for the long windedness. Finding more unbiased reviews like this would have cut my research time in half.
    Iíll keep you posted.

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    Nice review!
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    I see in part of your report you mention that you ran the detectors side by side and at the same time. This is a definite NO NO as it has been showed in tests that one or both of the detectors will be affected in sensitivity by doing this. I always see compairsons done this way and when they are done this way they are esentially worthless sorry to tell you... ops: [/quote]

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    programming the V1 to mute until a certain signal strength isnt going to affect the range. It is simply muting.

    Seems to me like you already made your decision with the V1. Radar Locator + superior range = Best Detector!

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    Brent in all honesty the X50 is ALMOST just as good as the V1 in terms of range. It is like arguing what pop is better Pepsi or Coke. They are both good as heck the only difference is that one is sweeter than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent_Vino
    programming the V1 to mute until a certain signal strength isnt going to affect the range. It is simply muting.

    Seems to me like you already made your decision with the V1. Radar Locator + superior range = Best Detector!
    But if you have a delay, your instant on radar chances are kissed goodbye. If you set a delay by strength, the car 1/2 mile up the road that is tagged with instant on may not be enough to break the threashold, meaning you are next. I know thi info is accurate because I've discuessed this with the people at VR. Believe me, when V1 comes with a k-band filter- it is so mine

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    I just want to make sure I understand the settings correctly. If I leave the programming on one of the new POP units at stock, I'll have the most protection (and possibly the most false alarms), right? Now, if I set it to little L mode, (i.e. just logic, not advanced logic), it will still give me all of the alarms, just the ones it thinks are false will play at the "mute" level, right?
    Either way, I'm positive I ordered the right one (V1) since Sethy himself said "I find that the V1 is much more of a highway detector, and the escort is more of an all around detector. If you see a lot of highway and are not to concerned about the city- the V1 is the right detector. If you see a lot of both, I think the escort will suite you best," and I see a lot of highway, and rarely speed in the city.
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