Escort 9500i - True Lock Testing Videos

[thestaton]

As promised here are the 9500i True Lock Feature Testing videos.

First Video:

This is a typical shopping mall scenario.

Guys of Lidar: Testing the Escort 9500i True Lock Feature

Second Video:

In this scenario we will lock out an automatic door operating at 24.043. The K band radar gun operates around 24.151.

Guys of Lidar: Testing Escort 9500i True Lock Feature

Third Video:

In this scenario we lock out an automatic door operating at 24.131 and the K band gun is operating around 24.151.

Guys of Lidar - Testing Escort 9500i True Lock Feature

Fourth Video:

In this scenario we performed a factory reset on the detector, and locked out one K band source while in Auto Mode.

Guys of Lidar: Testing Escort 9500i True Lock Feature

Discuss.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Don't you love the manufacturer varience with detectors?

I am so so gald that the 9500i doesn't work as described still :wink:

[CJR238]

Very cool. I bow to your Video expertise. 8)

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th videos were to be expected and my examples on http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=29245 will help prevent those worse case scenarios on all the videos. :wink:

The 3rd and 4th Video could be worrisome to a new 9500I user. My guess is it was right on that 1/10th of a mile cut off. Do you have anymore info on those 2 videos?

[CJR238]

I am so so gald that the 9500i doesn't work as described still :wink:

Good wording. crazyVOLVOrob... :wink:

At the very least, Escort needs to describe the 9500I better. In the mean time see my thread: http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=29245 It should help if anyone wants to experiment with TrueLock after seeing those videos. :wink:

[Cruiser66]

Video 1
One thing to keep in mind is that Truelock by design (see escort link below and search for "1/10") locks out ALL signals (other than Ka) present at the time the lock-out point is created, regardless of frequency or band (i.e. both X and K), within a 1/10th of a mile driving radius of the lockout point.

So, if the 2nd signal in the first video is located within 1/10 of a mile (528 feet) of the lockout point, it IS working as designed.
Otherwise, it is indeed flawed.

http://www.escortradar.com/9500i-tech-talk.htm


2) Video 2:
Perhaps I am out of it today, but the 9500i alerts to the 2nd signal, so I am not sure what this one is about?


3) *** Video 3:
Same as 1.
The spinning icon indicates that it is locking out ALL X and K signals in that radius.
Once you exit that 1/10 of a mile radius,
the icon disappears and it instantly alerts to the gun.

4) *** Same thing.
The radar gun's K band signal, initially, is detected while in the lockout zone, which is why the detector doesn't alert
Once the car is beyond the lockout zone, the icon stops spinning.


*** Videos 3 and 4: Are you saying the radar gun was OFF at the time the lockout points were created?
If so, there IS a problem...
Otherwise it is working properly.

[mcr072378]

interesting....what was the distance between the lock out and the radar gun in video 3 and 4...it sure looked like more than 1/10th of a mile...if it was under 1/10th of a mile does anyone else thing that is a design flaw..LEO's up here are known for sitting in shopping malls (strip malls) cause they (malls) do false and most people just ignore it..then bingo they nail ya....thoughts?

[thestaton]

interesting....what was the distance between the lock out and the radar gun in video 3 and 4...it sure looked like more than 1/10th of a mile...if it was under 1/10th of a mile does anyone else thing that is a design flaw..LEO's up here are known for sitting in shopping malls (strip malls) cause they (malls) do false and most people just ignore it..then bingo they nail ya....thoughts?

depending on where we started I would say around 3 to 4 tenths of a mile. well over the 1/10 allowance.

[thestaton]

Video 1
One thing to keep in mind is that Truelock by design (see escort link below and search for "1/10") locks out ALL signals (other than Ka) present at the time the lock-out point is created, regardless of frequency or band (i.e. both X and K), within a 1/10th of a mile driving radius of the lockout point.

So, if the 2nd signal in the first video is located within 1/10 of a mile (528 feet) of the lockout point, it IS working as designed.
Otherwise, it is indeed flawed.

http://www.escortradar.com/9500i-tech-talk.htm


2) Video 2:
Perhaps I am out of it today, but the 9500i alerts to the 2nd signal, so I am not sure what this one is about?


3) *** Video 3:
Same as 1.
The spinning icon indicates that it is locking out ALL X and K signals in that radius.
Once you exit that 1/10 of a mile radius,
the icon disappears and it instantly alerts to the gun.

4) *** Same thing.
The radar gun's K band signal, initially, is detected while in the lockout zone, which is why the detector doesn't alert
Once the car is beyond the lockout zone, the icon stops spinning.


*** Videos 3 and 4: Are you saying the radar gun was OFF at the time the lockout points were created?
If so, there IS a problem...
Otherwise it is working properly.

I'll try to help you but your making it a lot harder than what it is.

In the first video the radar gun was over 1/10 of a mile from the original lock out point. So it's flawed.

In the 2nd video you will notice the automatic door was 24.043 and the Gun was operating around 24.151 so it was expected to work without question.

In the 3rd video the automatic door was 24.133 where the gun was operating around 24.151 I did not expect the 9500i to alert.

In the 4th video that's what an average user is going to do.

If 1/10 is the spec then unfortunately it's flawed and hopefully can be fixed.

[CJR238]

Video 1
One thing to keep in mind is that Truelock by design (see escort link below and search for "1/10") locks out ALL signals (other than Ka) present at the time the lock-out point is created, regardless of frequency or band (i.e. both X and K), within a 1/10th of a mile driving radius of the lockout point.

So, if the 2nd signal in the first video is located within 1/10 of a mile (528 feet) of the lockout point, it IS working as designed.
Otherwise, it is indeed flawed.

http://www.escortradar.com/9500i-tech-talk.htm


2) Video 2:
Perhaps I am out of it today, but the 9500i alerts to the 2nd signal, so I am not sure what this one is about?


3) *** Video 3:
Same as 1.
The spinning icon indicates that it is locking out ALL X and K signals in that radius.
Once you exit that 1/10 of a mile radius,
the icon disappears and it instantly alerts to the gun.

4) *** Same thing.
The radar gun's K band signal, initially, is detected while in the lockout zone, which is why the detector doesn't alert
Once the car is beyond the lockout zone, the icon stops spinning.


*** Videos 3 and 4: Are you saying the radar gun was OFF at the time the lockout points were created?
If so, there IS a problem...
Otherwise it is working properly.

Your observations are right on.
My only addition is the 9500I keeps locking out 1/10 of a mile from a lock out point, so if you get a false every 1/10 of a mile I would assume it will lock out forever.

By the way in the 1st video the gun was in the same parking lot.

Just power the 9500I down after locking out the area you desire and your good to go.

[MEM-TEK]

Hi thestation,

I watched video #1 long enough to see where the potential problem was when trying to use the TrueLock feature. What operating mode was the 9500i in? Depending on the operating mode, TrueLock can automatically either add or subtract radars which it sees within a TrueLock GPS location without ever generating an alert when it automatically adds an additional radar to its database.

Please see and read my HTML version of the USPTO Escort patent for the 9500i technology:

Escort 9500i Patent: 6670905

The flowcharts (click on the "Fig." links within my HTML version of Escort's patent document) show that the 9500i can, depending on the operating mode, automatically add or delete radar frequencies within a GPS lockout location. In other operating modes (I can't remember which), the 9500i will display an alert for any newly detected radars within the lockout location.

Once the non-police radars are locked out, you then have to switch operating modes to whichever mode(s) it is that won't automatically either add or delete encountered radars within the lockout location. Then see how the 9500i responds when encountering an additional (police) radar which it encounters within the lockout location.

Heck, you should be able to point the 9500i at just one of the two shopping centers, lock out those radars, switch operating modes to the mode which (based on the info in the patent) won't automatically add or delete detected radars, and then point the 9500i to the other shopping center across the street. Then you should get alerts for the radars across the street. If this test doesn't work, then Escort is not even closely following the logic which they presented within their patent for how their GPS TrueLock technology is supposed to work.

Best Regards,

--Michael