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    Default Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    In the 2007 GOL RD tests the Escort 9500i compared very favorably with the V1 in most tests in terms of detection distance.

    In the 2009 tests, the 9500ix got smoked by the V1 in almost all tests.

    I'd very much like to hear from the actual testers themselves why they think there is such a large discrepancy between these two tests.

    A few factors come to my mind:

    A. Different test course and scenarios revealed different strengths & weaknesses.

    B. Production quality variances between the 9500i tested in '07 and the ix's tested in '09.

    C. Design changes from the "i" to the "ix".

    D. Because the V1 is king and everything else made is a POS.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    Every real world encounter is different so for the real world test that is what I attribute it to. I also think variance comes into play. Remember as time goes on many companies look for cost cuts. I know we do all of the time, and sometimes at the cost of performance. I am not so sure this applies here, but just a guess. I still strongly believe a V1 is not the V1 it used to be. A 8500 X50 is not the same it used to be, a bla bla bla you get my point.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    In the 2009 tests the ix did better than the "real world" V1's, not worse. The KA guard off thing isn't feasable so throw that one out, the 3.813 is just an animal, but isn't available. Compare the ix to the 3.864 and 3.863 (and I've seen posts here that in side testing the 3.872 with KA guard on was simmilar to those 2) and you'll see the ix did better than the V1 in many areas.

    I own a 3.864 and an ix and I can say the performance is pretty close in most areas (maybe a slight edge in K to V1, tie to slight edge to ix on 33.8)

    That said my V1 is not as good of unit as my 1.7 was. I need POP protection so I upgraded (unfortunately I'm blessed to be in a all MPH radar area), but I've regretted every bit of it. I think VR has went down in range over recent years and thats why the ix is = to the V1 now. Just look at the 3.813 compared to the 3.864 to illistrate my point.

    I really hope the Redline kicks V1's butt all around the magazine tests (since these are the ones that generate the big number of sales even if they are poorly conducted), as I feel something needs to be done to get VR back on the ball. I feel they've just been "coasting" lately and Escort (despite many flaws) has really been trying to offer new equipment (as well as plenty of newly relabled equipment). I see no reason my 3.864 should have LESS range than the older detectors, but it does.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440sp View Post
    In the 2009 tests the ix did better than the "real world" V1's, not worse. The KA guard off thing isn't feasable so throw that one out, the 3.813 is just an animal, but isn't available. Compare the ix to the 3.864 and 3.863 (and I've seen posts here that in side testing the 3.872 with KA guard on was simmilar to those 2) and you'll see the ix did better than the V1 in many areas.

    I own a 3.864 and an ix and I can say the performance is pretty close in most areas (maybe a slight edge in K to V1, tie to slight edge to ix on 33.8)

    That said my V1 is not as good of unit as my 1.7 was. I need POP protection so I upgraded (unfortunately I'm blessed to be in a all MPH radar area), but I've regretted every bit of it. I think VR has went down in range over recent years and thats why the ix is = to the V1 now. Just look at the 3.813 compared to the 3.864 to illistrate my point.

    I really hope the Redline kicks V1's butt all around the magazine tests (since these are the ones that generate the big number of sales even if they are poorly conducted), as I feel something needs to be done to get VR back on the ball. I feel they've just been "coasting" lately and Escort (despite many flaws) has really been trying to offer new equipment (as well as plenty of newly relabled equipment). I see no reason my 3.864 should have LESS range than the older detectors, but it does.
    Your delusional. Please refer to the non-real world test, where the V1 was ran with Ka Guard On. The 9500IX got beat by the Cobra....

    After spending 20 hours in a car with 3 to 4 people testing these things, not one of us waited for best buy to open at 10am to buy IXs. Hell, I would think anyone who was in the car would of had it on eBay by now.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    Back on topic:

    IMO the units we tested in 2007 where top of the line, highest quality possible 9500is to come off the line. Like HappyA$$ said over time they more than likely cut costs, which means swapping out parts. Valentine has been known to do this from time to time.

    OR

    It's just the filtering / software at work. I'm more in line with this theory. I think they are over concerned with making the thing quiet, IMO highway mode should just put it in pure raw performance. No filtering, nothing. Highway should make it just like a V1.

    IMO the best time to buy a detector is when it first comes out if you want the best hardware. Just be prepared for the growing pains with the software, which is nice now that some are USB update able.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    good thinking Staton

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    If you were talking about the constant on performance around the corner in 09 I can tell you my real world around corner encounters are very close to what GOL found. The 9500 series was designed to ignore falses from the side, making it tunnel visioned and this I feel hurts it in off axis and around corner detections.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    Quote Originally Posted by thestaton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440sp View Post
    In the 2009 tests the ix did better than the "real world" V1's, not worse. The KA guard off thing isn't feasable so throw that one out, the 3.813 is just an animal, but isn't available. Compare the ix to the 3.864 and 3.863 (and I've seen posts here that in side testing the 3.872 with KA guard on was simmilar to those 2) and you'll see the ix did better than the V1 in many areas.

    I own a 3.864 and an ix and I can say the performance is pretty close in most areas (maybe a slight edge in K to V1, tie to slight edge to ix on 33.8)

    That said my V1 is not as good of unit as my 1.7 was. I need POP protection so I upgraded (unfortunately I'm blessed to be in a all MPH radar area), but I've regretted every bit of it. I think VR has went down in range over recent years and thats why the ix is = to the V1 now. Just look at the 3.813 compared to the 3.864 to illistrate my point.

    I really hope the Redline kicks V1's butt all around the magazine tests (since these are the ones that generate the big number of sales even if they are poorly conducted), as I feel something needs to be done to get VR back on the ball. I feel they've just been "coasting" lately and Escort (despite many flaws) has really been trying to offer new equipment (as well as plenty of newly relabled equipment). I see no reason my 3.864 should have LESS range than the older detectors, but it does.
    Your delusional. Please refer to the non-real world test, where the V1 was ran with Ka Guard On. The 9500IX got beat by the Cobra....

    After spending 20 hours in a car with 3 to 4 people testing these things, not one of us waited for best buy to open at 10am to buy IXs. Hell, I would think anyone who was in the car would of had it on eBay by now.
    Then explain the "real world test" where the 3.864 beat the IX in K band but the IX beat it on all three K bands? I own both and can tell you (based on my K and 33.8 KA experience) that my 3.864 V1's doesn't have the range advantage they used to. Maybe V1 has quality issues and 1/2 the detectors aren't as good as the others, but My experience and these results aren't that far apart. As to the IX, I didn't say it was the answer as it wasn't the best either, but the Cobra slam fits pertty good considering the Cobra did beat the V1 in many of the real world tests.

    People are getting a little touchy about saying anything negitive about V1 around here. In the Escort forum the Q/T thing is continually complained about trying to get them to fix it. I'd think letting VR know what they need to do wouldn't be a bad thing either. I've sent my 3.864 in due to ghosting and was told that it worked great and had better sensitivity than most and they didn't recomend messing with it since it might loose range. Well considering my IX had the same range (replaced with a ci with much, much more range than either), they were either blowing sunshine up my butt to avoid a warranty repair or Escort has caught up in the range department.
    Last edited by xcr440sp; 09-22-2009 at 07:27 PM.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440sp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thestaton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440sp View Post
    In the 2009 tests the ix did better than the "real world" V1's, not worse. The KA guard off thing isn't feasable so throw that one out, the 3.813 is just an animal, but isn't available. Compare the ix to the 3.864 and 3.863 (and I've seen posts here that in side testing the 3.872 with KA guard on was simmilar to those 2) and you'll see the ix did better than the V1 in many areas.

    I own a 3.864 and an ix and I can say the performance is pretty close in most areas (maybe a slight edge in K to V1, tie to slight edge to ix on 33.8)

    That said my V1 is not as good of unit as my 1.7 was. I need POP protection so I upgraded (unfortunately I'm blessed to be in a all MPH radar area), but I've regretted every bit of it. I think VR has went down in range over recent years and thats why the ix is = to the V1 now. Just look at the 3.813 compared to the 3.864 to illistrate my point.

    I really hope the Redline kicks V1's butt all around the magazine tests (since these are the ones that generate the big number of sales even if they are poorly conducted), as I feel something needs to be done to get VR back on the ball. I feel they've just been "coasting" lately and Escort (despite many flaws) has really been trying to offer new equipment (as well as plenty of newly relabled equipment). I see no reason my 3.864 should have LESS range than the older detectors, but it does.
    Your delusional. Please refer to the non-real world test, where the V1 was ran with Ka Guard On. The 9500IX got beat by the Cobra....

    After spending 20 hours in a car with 3 to 4 people testing these things, not one of us waited for best buy to open at 10am to buy IXs. Hell, I would think anyone who was in the car would of had it on eBay by now.
    Then explain the "real world test" where the 3.864 got beat in K band by the IX and on all three K bands? I own both and can tell you (based on my K and 33.8 KA experience) that my 3.864 V1's doesn't have the range advantage they used to. Maybe V1 has quality issues and 1/2 the detectors aren't as good as the others, but My experience and these results aren't that far apart. As to the IX, I didn't say it was the answer as it wasn't the best either, but the Cobra slam fits pertty good considering the Cobra did beat the V1 in many of the real world tests.

    People are getting a little touchy about saying anything negitive about V1 around here. In the Escort forum the Q/T thing is continually complained about trying to get them to fix it. I'd think letting VR know what they need to do wouldn't be a bad thing either. I've sent my 3.864 in due to ghosting and was told that it worked great and had better sensitivity than most and they didn't recomend messing with it since it might loose range. Well considering my IX had the same range (replaced with a ci with much, much more range than either), they were either blowing sunshine up my butt to avoid a warranty repair or Escort has caught up in the range department.
    Because those 3.864 & 3.863 detectors have been in the field for over a year and half or more. They where not new in box, they have been setting in the heat, cold, etc.

    If you look back at the 2007 & 2008 tests the 3.863 & 3.864 finished at the top.

    You do realize on some bands the V1 was able to double the range of the IX? On the controlled side we tested multiple V1s with Ka Guard On...

    Please trying sticking to what the data actually says, not making up your own.

    I have over 5K miles logged with a 9500i, I'm not just making things up, or trying to blow smoke.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500 in GOL '07 vs '09

    Quote Originally Posted by Freebird View Post
    If you were talking about the constant on performance around the corner in 09 I can tell you my real world around corner encounters are very close to what GOL found. The 9500 series was designed to ignore falses from the side, making it tunnel visioned and this I feel hurts it in off axis and around corner detections.
    You ain't lying about tunnel vision.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twKilSyLV54]YouTube - Escort 9500ix: Poor Off-Axis Ka Detection/Ramp-Up[/ame]

 

 

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