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You've really got the heads mounted behind mesh? And yes the first gen LI's did have some trouble with the stalker if I remember correctly. Sounds like you had two things working against you.
This was common knowledge from my first thread that I posted with all the UL LR runs that I posted back in October/November 2007. You remember that tread because you made the comment about me "vaporizing bugs with my protective forcefield." I sure did have two thing working against me.
Did anyone notice how well the 2-head system jams everything else while still being mounted behind an obstruction. Again, if that isn't amazing, I don't know what is.
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if me having them mounted behind the mesh cuts down that power or light output at closer ranges,
In this case, it is not the power or light output at closer ranges that's at issue here, although as you get closer to the LIDAR source, the LI's IR beam's width does indeed narrow, but rather it's a matter of pure light physics. Imagine, if you will, your using a flashlight to look down a long darkened hallway. Along the hallway as you are walking while projecting the flashlight to see down it, you occasionally pass behind a stud wall. Every time you pass another of the studs, for that brief moment in time, the light is blocked from projecting down the hallway by that stud. Same theory applies here, those vanes or portions of the grill block the IR beams coming from the sensor, like the stud, from painting the roadway hence allowing the LIDAR to no longer see the jamming signal but rather receive a sufficient quantity of it's own IR beam return and achieve P/T! In simple English, your obstructing the LI at that particular spot in relation to the LIDAR guns position just like the stud in the analogy.
The lesson here: "Stealth the car, NOT the install!"
Cliff - C55
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Last edited by Laser-InterceptorUSA; 06-13-2008 at 12:08 PM..
Tell you what, if you remount them in front of the grill so they are not obscured and you still get P/T, I will send you replacement heads as well as a new CPU to match free of charge. Fair enough?
Although I understand why brother PMoth elected to mount his front LI heads the way he did, I can't help but want to see how his front LI setup - utilizing the first-run US-batch hardware - will do against the LZ-1, with no such mounting constraints.
I know that Ivan has repeatedly said that the Stalker "fix" was simply to reduce error-code occurrence on the earlier firmware, but we all also know that the Stalker's performance versus the early-box/hardware/firmware LI was something that was exploited by the "Goons" during their initial LaserStar marketing push.
It's obvious from later testing from a number of hobbyist groups that the current version of the LI is virtually "Stalker-proof," but I'd really like to see how the first box does, without the admitted limitations of PMoth's vehicle setup.
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Although I understand why brother PMoth elected to mount his front LI heads the way he did, I can't help but want to see how his front LI setup - utilizing the first-run US-batch hardware - will do against the LZ-1, with no such mounting constraints.
I know that Ivan has repeatedly said that the Stalker "fix" was simply to reduce error-code occurrence on the earlier firmware, but we all also know that the Stalker's performance versus the early-box/hardware/firmware LI was something that was exploited by the "Goons" during their initial LaserStar marketing push.
It's obvious from later testing from a number of hobbyist groups that the current version of the LI is virtually "Stalker-proof," but I'd really like to see how the first box does, without the admitted limitations of PMoth's vehicle setup.
Precisely why I asked him to do this! I want to be sure that any and all issues with the LI, early or late, are made evident and that they are addressed with either proper mounting or replacement sensors and or CPUs if need be. I do not want poor performing versions of either on any customers vehicles. Period!
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Last edited by Laser-InterceptorUSA; 06-13-2008 at 12:31 PM..
Pmoth's car is easily picked up by the Stalker LZ1 from 600ft down. But thats cause I know exactly where to aim. (Driver side headlight with the plate right under it. I would think adding some VEIL to his plate along with his lasershield could improve the performance.
Though a non informed cop who didn't know Pmoth had a jammer would be struggling and it would give him the time he needs to slow down
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Anyone with a quality laser jammer can Jam To Gun (JTG) these days but only a few choosen stealth people can Jam From the Gun (JFG). Here is the list of people so stealth that they Jam From Gun:alpinestars_2002795, TSi-WRX, djrams80, RacerX, Laser-InterceptorUSA, BLINDER-GUY, category4, crazyVOLVOrob.
Happya$$ may think he is stealth but until he can Jam From Gun, and Stealthjamal can't get a punchthrough on the front of his Civic which have 9 jammers he is far from stealth
Pmoth's car is easily picked up by the Stalker LZ1 from 600ft down. But thats cause I know exactly where to aim. (Driver side headlight with the plate right under it. I would think adding some VEIL to his plate along with his lasershield could improve the performance.
Though a non informed cop who didn't know Pmoth had a jammer would be struggling and it would give him the time he needs to slow down
LI does not need additional Countermeasures for JTG/JFG performance. If he wishes to maintain his present stealthy install, then, IMHO, unfortunately, no Countermeasures would be able to overcome this handicap!
Cliff - C55
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LI does not need additional Countermeasures for JTG/JFG performance. If he wishes to maintain his present stealthy install, then, IMHO, unfortunately, no Countermeasures would be able to overcome this handicap!
Cliff - C55
While true just adding a coat of VEIL to his front plate will help out alot
And using addition passive counter measures is great way to increase your protection
I use a Laser Shield, and so does Pmoth...Adding subtle passive counter measures is great
__________________ Radar Detector, Laser Jammer(front & rear), Police Scanner, GPS(w/Trapster) and CB Radio...What else do I need? I keep it real.
Anyone with a quality laser jammer can Jam To Gun (JTG) these days but only a few choosen stealth people can Jam From the Gun (JFG). Here is the list of people so stealth that they Jam From Gun:alpinestars_2002795, TSi-WRX, djrams80, RacerX, Laser-InterceptorUSA, BLINDER-GUY, category4, crazyVOLVOrob.
Happya$$ may think he is stealth but until he can Jam From Gun, and Stealthjamal can't get a punchthrough on the front of his Civic which have 9 jammers he is far from stealth
In this case, it is not the power or light output at closer ranges that's at issue here, although as you get closer to the LIDAR source, the LI's IR beam's width does indeed narrow, but rather it's a matter of pure light physics. Imagine, if you will, your using a flashlight to look down a long darkened hallway. Along the hallway as you are walking while projecting the flashlight to see down it, you occasionally pass behind a stud wall. Every time you pass another of the studs, for that brief moment in time, the light is blocked from projecting down the hallway by that stud. Same theory applies here, those vanes or portions of the grill block the IR beams coming from the sensor, like the stud, from painting the roadway hence allowing the LIDAR to no longer see the jamming signal but rather receive a sufficient quantity of it's own IR beam return and achieve P/T! In simple English, your obstructing the LI at that particular spot in relation to the LIDAR guns position just like the stud in the analogy.
The lesson here: "Stealth the car, NOT the install!"
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I sure did have two thing working against me.
