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  1. #1
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    Default Self-cal and hidden warranties

    There seem to be many issues with Self-Cal. If it shows up after the warranty period with high frquency, these products may be inherently defective and thus covered under other warranty laws in many states.
    These are the "fine-print" warranties that also include product liabillity. Perhaps this should be approached in this fashion:
    1. What is the reasonable life expectancy of an RD. Acc. to Belscort, it is 3 years+ as they sell extended contracts for three years.
    2. By its very nature, is the product designed to fail, and thus become no longer suitable to task, and thus of no intrinsic value, during this period.
    3. Does a large sample of the products sold show this trait?

    I'd like to see how this pans out.


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    My 980 gave me the self-cal message. Even though it was out of warranty, BEL offered to repair it for free. I decided to trade up to a 985.

    GTO_04

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    Default Self Cal

    GTO_04, if Bel repaired your 980 for free, you are indeed lucky. I have a 970 that developed the Cal problem(?Lo3 Cal on the display) and it was less than a year old. I bought it brand new on E-Bay and "thought" I had a 3 year warranty. Well, as I found out, because I bought it on E-Bay, my warranty had been voided. So I decided to send it back to Bel and invest the $85 that they charge and I would end up with a detector that was "as good as new", right? Wrong!! Lasted about a year and guess what? You got it, the old "?Lo3 Cal" again. So I called Bel and explained the situation to them, as this was the very detector that had repaired a year ago. No sympathy from Bel, I was told it would take another $85 to have it serviced again. Well, as you can see, this was becoming a money pit and I just gave up on Bel and went with another brand. I think "billgerr" is absolutley right about Bel, they produce inherently defective products that are doomed to fail. And as luck would have it, just outside the warranty period. Bel products do not have a very long life expectancy. As I wrote in another forum, I have a 15 year old Uniden that still works fine. I can't get a Bel to last more than 1 or 2 years. As far as the other warranty laws in many states, I don't know anything about that in my state.

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    I have a 3 year old bel 970 that works fine

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    It should have been obvious to BEL that you had a lemon and they should have given you a new one since you had the same problem multiple times.

    I have owned many BELs over the years. Some of them have been very good, others not so good. The 745 series were extremely trouble prone. The 850 series were not very good, with lots of falses on K and Ka band but very low sensitivity. The 98X series has been better, at least for me.

    BEL offered a free LO calibration to me, but I decided to upgrade from the 980 to the 985. In your case, I would be especially mad because the 970 had a longer warranty, and cost more than the 980. I never buy things on e-bay so I am not familiar with warranty practices. What did you pay for the 970 on e-bay? And did they state the warranty policy up front?

    The one thing about the Valentines has been their consistency. I have friends and family members that use them and they are remarkably consistent in performance compared to the BELs. They give the exact same alert patterns in the same locations, right down to the number of LEDs on the signal strength meter. And outstanding sensitivity on all of them.

    GTO_04

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    Well you know I always complained about how many times the self cal seemed to show up on the RX65 and the x50, until this happened.

    Now I have never felt so secure to have a detector that goes into self cal.

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    I paid $165.00 for the Bel 970 on E-Bay and bought it from an authorized Bel dealer. Here is the catch: Bel WLL NOT under any circumstance honor the warranty of any Bel detector sold on E-Bay, no matter who the seller is. We all know that Circuit City sells Bel detectors, right? And they are an authorized dealer, right? Well, if Circuit City decides to sell a Bel detector on E-Bay, and you buy it, and it is shipped directly from them to you, it doesn't matter. You just lost your warranty, period. Yes, the dealer on E-Bay stated the 3 year warranty from Bel, but he himself did not know their ridiculous policy. So he couldn't help me. So I was up to $250 invested in that 970 and was looking at another $85 to get it serviced again. So you can see the endless money pit it was. I also thought that I just got a lemon and went out and bought another 970. Guess what, after a while, the same thing, the famous "?Lo3 Cal". It's just a crappy product from Bel.

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    Sorry to hear about that. Was the seller Circuit City? If so they should have known better. You definitely got screwed on that one. I can't blame you for being mad.

    I would write to the President of Belscort and explain the situation, and why you will buy a V1 next time around.

    BTW, you probably already know this, but Bel and Escort are the same company, so if you get an X50 you could run into the same situation. Your best bet is to get a V1 if you want a top-of-the-line radar detector.

    GTO_04

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    No, it was not Circuit City, I was merely using them as an example, as they are well known. I purchased it through an electronics dealer in Colorado. The point I was making is that no matter who you buy it from on E-Bay, you will lose your warranty. E-Bay is a very bad word to Bel, much like Bel is a very bad word to me. I know that Bel and Escort are one in the same now, I will stay away from both of them.

 

 

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