Escort 9500i - did not go off and trooper gave me ticket

[swarga]

Originally Posted by djrams80

Michael, You can't nip this in the bud. He's convinced Truelock doesn't work and no one will ever convince him otherwise. Facts, data and knowledge are irrelevant.

That's what the "ignore list" is for. It's vBulletin's version of Truelock.

[MEM-TEK]

Originally Posted by east1999

...He gave me the ticket for 15mph over, even though I was honestly going no more than 10 over. I was on a major highway. I saw him coming from the other direction and immediately slowed down to 5 over the speed limit (though I don't do the car nose dive or let them see my brake lights when I slow down).

I think that the cop lied and never hit you with radar, but instead merely eyeballed your speed.

[djrams80]

Originally Posted by RadarKid

so we agree that you're retarded if you own a detector and shut the volume off. blaming it on "lack of truelock" is just as idiotic

If he had a RD like the 9500ix with all the false alerts locked out, he never would have turned his RD volume down. Dumb or not, he turned his RD volume down to avoid false alerts. False alerts are what prompted this action. Truelock was designed to eliminate false alerts so the user won't have to take these types of actions. Truelock would have saved this guy a ticket. Period.

Originally Posted by RadarKid

I have my facts. They're formed from experiencing LEO lockouts in more than one location, different days - far from falses. I don't need any of your BS facts to sway me after EXPERIENCING what I preach first hand. Others have as well, and your claim that every day that goes by without a ticket reported on this forum is proof you're right (as I said before) is irrellevant. Whats true is that I have FACTS that its failed to alert to real LEOs far from FALSES on more than one occasion..and YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THOSE FACTS.

Now you've changed your story. You used to say you got an alert but were unhappy with it. Now you say that you got no alert? Why have you now changed your story? Lying about what really happened makes your story even less believable. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by RadarKid

Prove to me that every TrueLock user has posted here after they've received a ticket and then I'll bow down to your Cult of TrueLock sheeplove. Until then, its absolutely irrelevant that it hasnt been reported on RD.net

The point is that Truelock works. I defend this feature because I know it works. I see it every day. If I didn't prove you wrong time after time, new members might think you actually know what you are talking about and be afraid of Truelock. That's not acceptable.

You're pretty much on an island on this for a reason. There are many members here using Truelock every day, WITH NO REPORTS OF A TICKET DUE TO TRUELOCK FAILING THEM. Just the users on this board, with just these thousands of LEO encounters, shows how unlikely Truelock failing someone is. I don't need the data from the rest of the world to prove my point. Your assumption of high risk has been blown out of the water using just forum members accounts. Not one known ticket in over 18 months.

You not liking this feature doesn't make you any less wrong. If it was a huge failure as you try to make people think, THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE ON THIS FORUM CRYING ABOUT IT. Your desperate attempts to find backers for your hypothesis speaks volumes. You're just wrong. Truelock works.

Originally Posted by RadarKid

Honestly...who's nuts at ESCORT are you so in love with?

More vulgar attacks. Totally childish, but expected from you at this point.

Originally Posted by RadarKid

Do they stroke your ego or something else there? Because your pig-headed blind allegiance to them is amazing.

I know Truelock works. I know you don't know what you are talking about. What does that have to do with ego or allegiance? Again, broken record time, I post the good and the bad of all the products I use. You continue to try to place this "strictly Pro-Escort" spin on what I post. That's totally false. I've even listed many links to posts of mine, stating problems with the Escort products I own in response to your attacks before, but obviously you choose to ignore them since they don't fit with your false accusations. Your accusations are baseless and inaccurate, just like almost everything else you post.

[Aggie]

There has however been a recent example of someone turning their volume all the way down due to false alerts and then receiving a ticket.

I actually got my last ticket this way - kinda. I was on a long drive with the wife and kids and they were asleep. So I decided to use an earphone connected to the stereo jack. Pitch black no moon and outta nowhere there was brake lights from him shifting from park to drive. Looked up at the unit and it was going nuts - so pissed. I vowed from that day forward never ever to use a secondary speaker or headphones. Now it is full volume until I get an alert and then I adjust for the noise. BTW I did get it fixed and is my backup.

[rtk023]

v1 +1

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by east1999

I had POP detection turned on....

Doesn't mean anything, really.... Look again at all of the GOL's testing, and note how poorly any of the Escort/Bel products performed on POP detection. You're better off turning POP "off," and this will also allow your detector some small savings in terms of "scan-time," which, who knows, may have somehow helped in your current scenario.

Look again at both jimbonzzz's post (#9), as well as MEM-TEK's (#11). Also, there's a distinct possibility that it could be thestaton's scenario, too (#7).

These three posts, combined, pretty much should include all scenarios where the enforcer could have obtained your speed, and your detector having failed - or other actually plausible and viable scenarios (i.e. enforcement device out-of-calibration, enforcer lying, etc.).

[Stealth Stalker]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

Look again at both jimbonzzz's post (#9), as well as MEM-TEK's (#11). Also, there's a distinct possibility that it could be thestaton's scenario, too (#7).

These three posts, combined, pretty much should include all scenarios where the enforcer could have obtained your speed, and your detector having failed - or other actually plausible and viable scenarios (i.e. enforcement device out-of-calibration, enforcer lying, etc.).

Exactly. Although, when a detector misses a quick-trigger, it's not really a "failure" of the detector. We call it "in before the lock!" It's just like when you are listening to a scanner and miss the first couple words of a radio transmission because the scanner had not made it around to that channel yet. Sometimes the beginning radar transmission gets chopped by an RD too, for the same reason. And similarly, if it's just a quick trigger pull, you may miss the entire thing. As Jimbonzz noted, this is a very real possibility here.

But before we start tossing out the "liar" label, you started off this entire encounter bad by lying about knowing you were speeding. You almost guarantee yourself a ticket when you do that. The cop's mind is not made up in the beginning. That's why they ask you if you have a reason for speeding. That's your chance to say something intelligent. You failed and bought the rap. You could have done that with a smile and a good attitude and still gotten some leniency. But when you then started sniping at him, talking about radar detectors and questioning his integrity when, more than likely, he really did radar you, you sealed your fate.

Your RD didn't fail you. And your speeding didn't get you a ticket. Your mouth did. Live and learn.

[FlyinZX-10R]

Originally Posted by MEM-TEK

I think that the cop lied and never hit you with radar, but instead merely eyeballed your speed.

X2, then he will just put radar on the ticket also so he can say he visually estimated your speed and then zapped you. He will just lie about it in court and then judge will probably believe him.

Running a camera in your car at all times that is filming the road and the speedo together, along with the traffic stop would probably be good evidence in court against crooked cops.

[Lucky225]

Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

Exactly. Although, when a detector misses a quick-trigger, it's not really a "failure" of the detector. We call it "in before the lock!" It's just like when you are listening to a scanner and miss the first couple words of a radio transmission because the scanner had not made it around to that channel yet. Sometimes the beginning radar transmission gets chopped by an RD too, for the same reason. And similarly, if it's just a quick trigger pull, you may miss the entire thing. As Jimbonzz noted, this is a very real possibility here.

But before we start tossing out the "liar" label, you started off this entire encounter bad by lying about knowing you were speeding. You almost guarantee yourself a ticket when you do that. The cop's mind is not made up in the beginning. That's why they ask you if you have a reason for speeding. That's your chance to say something intelligent. You failed and bought the rap. You could have done that with a smile and a good attitude and still gotten some leniency. But when you then started sniping at him, talking about radar detectors and questioning his integrity when, more than likely, he really did radar you, you sealed your fate.

Your RD didn't fail you. And your speeding didn't get you a ticket. Your mouth did. Live and learn.

X2, as most of you know I made this mistake myself in Arkansas after being tailed for 2+ miles wondering WHY I was being tailed. I got to my house, entered my house AND THEN the officer got out and yelled at me to get back down here. I asked him what his deal was, he got pissed that I 'should have known' I was being pulled over when he put no lights or siren on. I could care less if he was in my driveway, if he doesn't flag me down, I'm going inside In any event he said I had been speeding, and I pointed to my radar detector and told him he had no proof. So he said, 'oh you want to be a smart a$$ huh? Okay, give me your license and stay right here.' He returns with a ticket for 'careless driving', to which I basically said, 'wow I didn't know it was against the law not to care that an officer is behind you when he doesn't have his lights on.' He said 'yea well, you spun your tires on the gravel into your driveway, that's careless driving and more points then speeding, have a nice day.'

Of course I fought the ticket in court, and got it reduced to a city ordinance, but prolly not the best choice of words I used when dealing with that officer.

[CJR238]

Originally Posted by east1999

Wow, quite a few responses!

He gave me the ticket for 15mph over, even though I was honestly going no more than 10 over. I was on a major highway. I saw him coming from the other direction and immediately slowed down to 5 over the speed limit (though I don't do the car nose dive or let them see my brake lights when I slow down). I drive an eclipse, so it does look like a sports car. I was also in the left lane (speeders lane) and after I saw him pass I flipped my blinker and merged into the right lane.

He came up and said, "any reason why you were speeding?" And I said, "I didn't think I was speeding." He walked away and came back with a ticket for 15 over. I then said, "can I ask how you clocked me?" He said "radar". I said, "that's funny, my detector never went off". He snapped back, "must be broken". I said thanks and went on my way.

IMO, his gun was way out of tune (not working within the MHz it should). I would request paperwork on that gun to see when it was last calibrated/tested.