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    Default Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    Hey all, this is my first thread here in this forum. Glad to find such forums with such useful information that I can get or give.

    My name is Rafik. I'm currently Website & Forum Admin of BMW Club of UAE. I live in Dubai and I've been using Escort X50 for a while now.

    Dubai has imported around 500 SSS Radars and started installing them immediately and removing old radars. I've noticed that sometimes I cannot detect those SSS radars and the rest of the times I detect them from a distance of 200 meters, not more than that.

    Is there anyway I can avoid this ? ... Replies are much appreciated !!

    Here is a video that shows from how far I can detect the radars...

    (I don't know how to embed youtube videos so excuse me ).

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMcKIQtK6uo]YouTube - Escort X50 Radar Detector - Dubai Business Bay[/ame]

    and here is a pic of SSS radar..


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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    Is there a reason your detector is pointed at the sky, Cobra style? That could be the problem. Straight and level gives the best range.

    I know nothing about the radar in question, but I'm sure some of the forum experts can help.

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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    +1

    You have your detector looking for radar in the clouds. If you want it to look for radar on the road, it should be pointed down the road. (level)

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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    I can't use any other place in my wind shield since it has a layer which prevents the signal from reaching the Radar Detector.

    I have tested this place on old radars and I was getting the signal 2km away. It only happens with SSS radars.. :\ ..

    Trust me guys the level is okay ... I've got similar comments on my youtube video as well !!

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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    Regardless of what you might think, your X50 has to be straight and level for maximum range. You need to bend the bracket to accomplish this.

    Secondly, this radar is obviously low powered. You might have gotten 2km range on high powered sources before, but trying to detect these low powered sources, alignment is critical. Also, the X50 just might not be sensitive enough to get the range you are looking for on these low powered sources. There are several RDs that will give you an significant increase in range to these low powered sources, such as the V1, the Bel STi-R and the Escort 9500ci.

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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    Yes that's what they mentioned in this article ....

    'You cannot beat police radars'

    By Alia Al Theeb, Staff Reporter
    Published: December 27, 2008, 23:32

    Dubai: With Dubai Police installing more and more radars on the roads, the latest buzz among bloggers across the city is how to speed and get away without a fine.

    The answer for many was to get hold of radar detectors which would alert them about the radars well before they reached them so they could reduce speed when they got close to them.

    Dubai Police's Traffic Department though had a different plan.

    Radar detectors cannot detect any radars in Dubai, so motorists who spend cash on detectors should keep their money, a senior police official said.

    Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, told Gulf News that radar detectors could not detect radars in Dubai because the frequencies or radio waves which the detectors can sense from far away and alert the motorist were kept at the lowest levels.

    Despite being banned in the UAE radar detectors are widely available on online shopping websites such as Souq.com : Auctions and Marketplace - internet shopping souk.

    Very advanced

    "The latest technology used in radars today is very advanced and it is difficult to trick digital radars today. Detectors could have been useful with the old radars which worked on films," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    He said radars in Dubai had been set on the lowest frequencies which can only be detected via detectors very close to the radar. By that time, the detector is already close to the radar and is not useful. The detectors can give wrong alerts by detecting other frequencies such as telephone signals.

    He said motorists had lately claimed that they could deceive radars by covering and hiding their number plates through either spraying them with a special spray or covering them with a special kind of plastic which prevents radars from capturing their number plates - but he said that this does not work.

    Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said there would be around 500 radars on Dubai roads by the end of this year.

    He said the department had installed 90 new digital radars on several roads and highways in Dubai to reduce the number of fatal accidents resulting from speeding and reckless driving.

    He said the traffic department had installed the new radars known as "beams" on different roads, these comprise 30 radars on Shaikh Zayed Road, 22 radars on the Dubai-Al Ain Road, 17 radars on the Dubai-Hatta Road, 10 radars on Emirates Road, 6 radars on Al Khail Road and 5 radars on Business Bay Bridge.

    "We are currently training traffic policemen on how to use speed radar guns which will come into effect by the beginning of next year. These radars can catch offenders from a distance of one kilometre, as they are very accurate and clear," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    He warned motorists that these radars are small and difficult to be seen. Therefore, motorists need to be careful and abide by speed limits.

    Protect lives

    "Speeding is the main reason behind many fatal road accidents. If a motorist is travelling at a speed of 120km/h, he or she travels 100 metres in a second, which is a lot and makes it difficult to control the car in case of any distraction. It is difficult to control a high speed car even for those who are experienced drivers," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    He said the goal behind installing more radars on the roads was to protect the lives of road users and not to make money.

    "The traffic department is working to reduce accidents and offences by increasing radars and intensifying police patrols," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    How it works: Speed of light

    A radar device produces a concentrated radio wave and listens for any echo to measure the speed of vehicles. If the vehicle falls in the path of the radio wave, it will reflect the electromagnetic energy which will make the radio wave fall back to the radar device.

    Radio waves move through the air at the speed of light. The radar device then can calculates how far away the object is based on how long it takes the radio signal to return. Based on the frequency changes, a radar can calculate how quickly a car is moving toward it or away from it.

    Source: HowStuffWorks "How Radar Detectors Work"

    No flash

    Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, said many new radars did not flash when they caught offenders.

    "If there is enough light through which the radar can catch an offender it does not flash. So, motorists should not rely on radars flashing."
    Source : Gulf News in Dubai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Is there a reason your detector is pointed at the sky, Cobra style? That could be the problem. Straight and level gives the best range.

    I know nothing about the radar in question, but I'm sure some of the forum experts can help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Z1NONLY View Post
    +1

    You have your detector looking for radar in the clouds. If you want it to look for radar on the road, it should be pointed down the road. (level)
    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80 View Post
    Regardless of what you might think, your X50 has to be straight and level for maximum range. You need to bend the bracket to accomplish this.
    Look at the youtube comments i made on this guy's video somehow he still doesn't listen to me...

    If your whole windshield had a protective coating then how it pointing it at the sky still behind the windshield helping

    And your detector is not level!!!!!! Go out and buy a spirit level and make sure it looks like this on the bottom of your detector
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob View Post
    Look at the youtube comments i made on this guy's video somehow he still doesn't listen to me...

    If your whole windshield had a protective coating then how it pointing it at the sky still behind the windshield helping

    And your detector is not level!!!!!! Go out and buy a spirit level and make sure it looks like this on the bottom of your detector
    dude I really wish you could get ur hands on an E46 M3 and look closely next to the rear view mirror where you can see that there is a small tiny place where the layer is not there .... and thats where i have my Radar Detector... I'll shoot some pics of the layer and the RD's position ...

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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    This is an earlier Article from Gulf News stating the issue about Radar Detectors vs SSS radars ..


    'You cannot beat police radars'

    By Alia Al Theeb, Staff Reporter
    Published: December 27, 2008, 23:32

    Dubai: With Dubai Police installing more and more radars on the roads, the latest buzz among bloggers across the city is how to speed and get away without a fine.

    The answer for many was to get hold of radar detectors which would alert them about the radars well before they reached them so they could reduce speed when they got close to them.

    Dubai Police's Traffic Department though had a different plan.

    Radar detectors cannot detect any radars in Dubai, so motorists who spend cash on detectors should keep their money, a senior police official said.

    Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, told Gulf News that radar detectors could not detect radars in Dubai because the frequencies or radio waves which the detectors can sense from far away and alert the motorist were kept at the lowest levels.

    Despite being banned in the UAE radar detectors are widely available on online shopping websites such as Souq.com : Auctions and Marketplace - internet shopping souk.

    Very advanced

    "The latest technology used in radars today is very advanced and it is difficult to trick digital radars today. Detectors could have been useful with the old radars which worked on films," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    He said radars in Dubai had been set on the lowest frequencies which can only be detected via detectors very close to the radar. By that time, the detector is already close to the radar and is not useful. The detectors can give wrong alerts by detecting other frequencies such as telephone signals.

    He said motorists had lately claimed that they could deceive radars by covering and hiding their number plates through either spraying them with a special spray or covering them with a special kind of plastic which prevents radars from capturing their number plates - but he said that this does not work.

    Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said there would be around 500 radars on Dubai roads by the end of this year.

    He said the department had installed 90 new digital radars on several roads and highways in Dubai to reduce the number of fatal accidents resulting from speeding and reckless driving.

    He said the traffic department had installed the new radars known as "beams" on different roads, these comprise 30 radars on Shaikh Zayed Road, 22 radars on the Dubai-Al Ain Road, 17 radars on the Dubai-Hatta Road, 10 radars on Emirates Road, 6 radars on Al Khail Road and 5 radars on Business Bay Bridge.

    "We are currently training traffic policemen on how to use speed radar guns which will come into effect by the beginning of next year. These radars can catch offenders from a distance of one kilometre, as they are very accurate and clear," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    He warned motorists that these radars are small and difficult to be seen. Therefore, motorists need to be careful and abide by speed limits.

    Protect lives

    "Speeding is the main reason behind many fatal road accidents. If a motorist is travelling at a speed of 120km/h, he or she travels 100 metres in a second, which is a lot and makes it difficult to control the car in case of any distraction. It is difficult to control a high speed car even for those who are experienced drivers," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    He said the goal behind installing more radars on the roads was to protect the lives of road users and not to make money.

    "The traffic department is working to reduce accidents and offences by increasing radars and intensifying police patrols," Lieutenant Colonel Al Mazroui said.

    How it works: Speed of light

    A radar device produces a concentrated radio wave and listens for any echo to measure the speed of vehicles. If the vehicle falls in the path of the radio wave, it will reflect the electromagnetic energy which will make the radio wave fall back to the radar device.

    Radio waves move through the air at the speed of light. The radar device then can calculates how far away the object is based on how long it takes the radio signal to return. Based on the frequency changes, a radar can calculate how quickly a car is moving toward it or away from it.

    Source: HowStuffWorks "How Radar Detectors Work"

    No flash

    Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, said many new radars did not flash when they caught offenders.

    "If there is enough light through which the radar can catch an offender it does not flash. So, motorists should not rely on radars flashing."

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    Default Re: Escort X50 not working on SSS Radars

    Quote Originally Posted by RiFo View Post
    dude I really wish you could get ur hands on an E46 M3 and look closely next to the rear view mirror where you can see that there is a small tiny place where the layer is not there .... and thats where i have my Radar Detector... I'll shoot some pics of the layer and the RD's position ...
    Well, if it is impossible to have your RD level and aligned with this small area, you then need to upgrade to a Bel STi-R or an Escort 9500ci to obtain acceptable results. These two RDs are mounted in the grille of the car.

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