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    Default Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    I have an escort 9500ci professionally installed on my car (silver mustang) almost a year ago.

    Since then I have been lased ~25 times by police (city and state) and have never been pulled over, flagged or ticketed. I assume that means it worked every time.

    But, today I got my first ticket: My jammer detected it and gave me the usual 'front laser alert' message, but I got pulled over and ticketed(44 in what turned out to be a 30 zone)!


    Setup:
    The radar antenna is mounted in the center under my front bumper and the two laser emitters are on either side of it. The rear sensor is mounted above my rear license plate. I don't have a front license plate, but my car is silver colored.


    Environment:
    The road was slightly uphill (~5-10 degrees). It was a little overcast. I don't think it was raining at all, but it had been, so there would have been some water droplets kicked up by other cars, though there was plenty of space in front of me.

    The officer was standing in the middle of the road flagging cars down, with his motorcycle on the side of the road.


    Questions:
    Its possible given the angle of the road that he was aiming for my hood(I don't have a front license plate)? I have been lased going uphill and downhill, before without a problem.


    Instead of using the gun-type form factor I've seen before, what he had seemed to be a side-by-side system like binoculars. It was hanging from a neck strap so I saw it up close when came to give me the ticket. It was all black, maybe 10 inches deep, 8 inches wide and 4 thick, so it looks a little bigger than products I found in my search (though size is hard to judge).

    Within seconds of letting me go, I saw he was flagging down another car. It didn't seem like he'd have had enough time, or been in a good position to lase them. This is also a new location for police to be.


    I am wondering if they were testing something new? Maybe it was coordinated with a laser on his motorcycle?


    I hadn't seen a lidar system like that before. Although I've never seen one up close in person, just as I'm driving by or pictures on a web site.

    What he had looks similar to a SpeedLaser-Torch (MPH Industries) or a Laser-Atlanta SpeedLaser (similar product name - maybe they're the same company?)

    Doing some research, it sounds like Laser-Atlanta has a 'Stealth Mode' feature introduced a few years ago but I also found that the 9500ci was upgraded to counter it.

    I don't know if he knew I had a laser jammer(I assume he would've been mean instead of nice). The Laser-Atlanta system is supposed to check if you have one.


    Could this be something new? Is this a Laser-Atlanta with 'Stealth Mode' that somehow got past my 9500ci? Does a 9500ci not (always) block this Stealth Mode?

    None of the lidar guns I have been lased with before looked like this model. Could the police have gotten through on some of the ~25 other times I have been lased and just let me go? (There have only been a few times when I was going fast enough for them to have trouble catching up).


    No defense system is perfect but 1 failure out of 25 isn't so good. It was really shocking/upsetting. Is there anything more I can do to keep a lidar system from getting a reading on my car?


    My research:
    Laser Atlanta Stealth Mode - Guys of LIDAR
    SpeedLaser LIDAR - Handheld Police Speed Detector Laser
    MPH Industries - Police Radar and Lidar Products
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    Default Re: Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    I have an escort 9500ci professionally installed on my car (silver mustang) almost a year ago.

    Since then I have been lased ~25 times by police (city and state) and have never been pulled over, flagged or ticketed. I assume that means it worked every time.

    But, today I got my first ticket: My jammer detected it and gave me the usual 'front laser alert' message, but I got pulled over and ticketed(44 in what turned out to be a 30 zone)!
    1. If your 9500ci announced "front laser alert", your jammers are not turned on. They are set to "LASER ON", which is in essence, "receive only". They need to be set to "LSR SHFT".

    2. Escort's ZR4s are not very good. There are some guns on the market they don't jam at all and there are others they don't jam very well. Of course, turned off, they don't jam anything at all.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    Sounds like a prolite+ or truspeed S.
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    I don't think its a kustom prolite+. From Kustom ProLite - Guys of LIDAR, it sounds like that should be jammed by anything now. Also, up close it didn't really look like its picture on that web page.

    It looked a lot more like an LTI TruSpeed-S (Laser Technology - TruSpeed Laser Speed Gun).

    That gun was just released in July 2011 so its new. It claims to not be detectable. According to the specs for the TruSpeed-S, it operates on a 904nm wavelength and the 9500ci operates at 905 +/ 33nm. If it can't be detected easily, maybe its the Pulse Interval like Laser-Atlanta's 'Stealth Mode' which isn't supposed to work against the 9500ci.

    I think a jammer would normally have to detect it to begin to jam it. My 9500ci detected it, but maybe too late?

    I did check my preferences and Bands>LSR was set to RECV (default).

    From the manual its not clear: does RECV not jam at all?

    I never changed the preferences, I just left it set to what the installer had (LSR set to RECV). I have been lased 20-25 times by police since then, and never been pulled over so I always assumed it jammed them each time. Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done anything.

    Will changing LSR to SHFT, block the TruSpeed-S? Is there a software upgrade I should install? What about turning the jammer on all the time (not waiting for detecting a hit)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done anything.
    I meant: Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done nothing.

    Is shifting the same as jamming?

    Could it really just be that I didn't have any laser defense at all and those 25 other times they got my speed but decided to do nothing and not ticket me or pull me over and to just ignore it? (I don't recall the warning I got each of those times, but its usally a phone-ringing sound and a 'laser alert' message).

    Will setting LSR to SHIFT block the LTI TruSpeed-S? Should I update the firmware on my 9500ci?

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    Default Re: Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    I don't think its a kustom prolite+. From Kustom ProLite - Guys of LIDAR, it sounds like that should be jammed by anything now. Also, up close it didn't really look like its picture on that web page.

    It looked a lot more like an LTI TruSpeed-S (Laser Technology - TruSpeed Laser Speed Gun).

    That gun was just released in July 2011 so its new. It claims to not be detectable. According to the specs for the TruSpeed-S, it operates on a 904nm wavelength and the 9500ci operates at 905 +/ 33nm. If it can't be detected easily, maybe its the Pulse Interval like Laser-Atlanta's 'Stealth Mode' which isn't supposed to work against the 9500ci.

    I think a jammer would normally have to detect it to begin to jam it. My 9500ci detected it, but maybe too late?
    Your 9500ci detects and jams the TruSpeed S, up to the ZR4s jamming capabilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    I did check my preferences and Bands>LSR was set to RECV (default).

    From the manual its not clear: does RECV not jam at all?
    No, it does not jam at all in receive only mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    I never changed the preferences, I just left it set to what the installer had (LSR set to RECV). I have been lased 20-25 times by police since then, and never been pulled over so I always assumed it jammed them each time. Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done anything.

    Will changing LSR to SHFT, block the TruSpeed-S?
    Yes, again, up to the ZR4s jamming capabilities, which are rather low.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    Is there a software upgrade I should install?
    No. There are no firmware updates for ZR4s. ZR4s jam every gun with a generic algorthm.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    What about turning the jammer on all the time (not waiting for detecting a hit)?
    Doesn't work, especially with something that emits weakly like the ZR4s. An old jammer called the Lidatek LE-10 did a type of brute force jamming after detecting laser, but it had a very high failure rate. This type of jamming also triggers jam codes on laser guns. Today's jammers jam by matching the laser gun's pulse rate and sending back the signal with a slight shift in timing.

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    Default Re: Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    I meant: Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done nothing.

    Is shifting the same as jamming?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    Could it really just be that I didn't have any laser defense at all and those 25 other times they got my speed but decided to do nothing and not ticket me or pull me over and to just ignore it?
    That's exactly what happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    (I don't recall the warning I got each of those times, but its usally a phone-ringing sound and a 'laser alert' message).
    Here's an old video of my 9500ci(ZR4s) jamming a laser gun. The alert if "front laser shifting". The second alert you hear is "shifting off", which is what you hear when you do what you are supposed to do, which is to turn off the jammers(by tapping the mute button twice) once you have slowed to low enough to avoid a ticket.



    Here's a video where I had my 9500ci(ZR4s) in receive only mode.


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    Default Re: Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    The ZR4 works average at best on small dark colored cars, your silver mustang is a pretty good reflective target for LIDAR.

    You definitely need something like a laser interceptor or blinder system to keep you competitive against your local law enforcement officers LIDAR gun.

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    http://youtu.be/2SI415_QI6k

    Just saying Oh those are ZR3s also

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    Default Re: Escort 9500ci fails to jam lidar - new lidar system?

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragon View Post
    Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done anything.
    I meant: Its hard to believe that none of those police officers would have done nothing.

    Is shifting the same as jamming?

    Could it really just be that I didn't have any laser defense at all and those 25 other times they got my speed but decided to do nothing and not ticket me or pull me over and to just ignore it? (I don't recall the warning I got each of those times, but its usally a phone-ringing sound and a 'laser alert' message).

    Will setting LSR to SHIFT block the LTI TruSpeed-S? Should I update the firmware on my 9500ci?
    Setting LSR to shift will activate shifting, it can jam the TruSpeed S, but it is a difficult gun to detect and may not jam consistently. Its also possible you may have been jaming for those 25 times and may have accidentally turned off shifting recently by mistake.

    There are newer jammers out there that can do a better job jaming, and be updated like the LI's.

 

 

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