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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomNBye View Post
    With all due respect Mr. Veil Guy, Escort is touting that the M360ci s slaying the Dragon, when in fact 1/5 guns so far have defeated it and more to come.
    Not sure what 1/5 means, but of course, more testing from more sources against more lasers and vehicle combinations are in order, to be sure.

    Hopefully, ER hasn't overhyped it. They are quite confident in the unit (but it wouldn't be the first time, either).
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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Why did you say it was the Best Veil Guy?

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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by Veil Guy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomNBye View Post
    With all due respect Mr. Veil Guy, Escort is touting that the M360ci s slaying the Dragon, when in fact 1/5 guns so far have defeated it and more to come.
    Not sure what 1/5 means, but of course, more testing from more sources against more lasers and vehicle combinations are in order, to be sure.

    Hopefully, ER hasn't overhyped it. They are quite confident in the unit (but it wouldn't be the first time, either).
    1 out of 5 and it couldn't handle ECCM on as well. The ONLY gun it " alerted" to was some old legacy and a 14 DET. Even Mobile Electronics in Canada admitted its way behind the curve when it comes to DET.
    I believe that the new Sheriff in town has been fired already .

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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomNBye View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomNBye View Post
    With all due respect Mr. Veil Guy, Escort is touting that the M360ci s slaying the Dragon, when in fact 1/5 guns so far have defeated it and more to come.
    Not sure what 1/5 means, but of course, more testing from more sources against more lasers and vehicle combinations are in order, to be sure.

    Hopefully, ER hasn't overhyped it. They are quite confident in the unit (but it wouldn't be the first time, either).
    1 out of 5 and it couldn't handle ECCM on as well. The ONLY gun it " alerted" to was some old legacy and a 14 DET. Even Mobile Electronics in Canada admitted its way behind the curve when it comes to DET.
    I believe that the new Sheriff in town has been fired already .
    Actually, I believe the more accurate term is lynched. That's what some like to do on these forums.

    The problem with DE testing in general is that there are so many different variations (by design of DE) each with their own pulse-train patterns, unless every single one is accounted for (which may actually be extremely difficult to do) and is always a moving target (ie; what is good today, may not literally be good tomorrow).

    I have yet to see an extremely thorough test that show the results of ALL of the versions/variations of the DE. I've already seen tests that cherry pick which ones to use and which ones not to use.

    I'd appreciate a comprehensive test that pitted EVERY version/variation of ECCM guns against a host a jammer installs. Showing results from a small subset of guns can shape opinion depending upon which ones were actually use and documented.

    BUT EVEN MORE THAN THAT: I'd like to see these thing tested in a manner in which the police actually target, not contrived tests which don't reflect how police lasers are actually used.

    I believe the underlying platform is entirely capable of handling the versions floating around, it's just likely a matter of knowing them, and then simply programming the system to handle the ones that are not known. Fundamentally, I believe the hardware platform is well-established.

    Speaking of firmware/software updates. How many tests of have some of those guys been involved with where OTF programming was done in the face of a particular gun algo encounter during actual testing.

    It wouldn't surprise me if certain supporters of ALP (like the supporters of LI before it) were rooting for Escort to "fail."

    But, I'd suggest that we give more time and allow more testing before coming to definitive "FAIL" conclusion so early on. I think RR touched on that notion as well.

    Just give it a little time to play out...No need to hyperventilate at this point.
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    Why no reply Veil Guy

    Veil Guy,
    Can I please ask what type of testing you did? You said Escort was the best why? I saw a video where Escort failed to a 2015 dragon eye gun? Will Escort have a update from Canada in 5 days? Is there unit the new Blinder? Why can't you show us what testing you're talking about in video please?
    Escort MAX Ci / MAX 360 Ci Update – RALETC
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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by Electronicdude View Post
    Why no reply Veil Guy

    Veil Guy,
    Can I please ask what type of testing you did? You said Escort was the best why? I saw a video where Escort failed to a 2015 dragon eye gun? Will Escort have a update from Canada in 5 days? Is there unit the new Blinder? Why can't you show us what testing you're talking about in video please?
    Escort MAX Ci / MAX 360 Ci Update – RALETC
    Escort MAX Ci – First Impressions – RALETC
    Escort Max Ci vs DragonEye Compact – RALETC
    Made a promise to only disclose summary findings.

    My formal review will come when the unit is installed in my BMW. I will also keep the STiR or Plus or 9500ci as a comparison for my radar tests.

    I'm not interested in anything coming out of RALETC and won't be reviewing the links, but by all means follow their results...I just won't be (for reasons already stated).

    As more testing is done by more and more independent individuals, a better overall picture will surely be painted...
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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    what did raletc do? Why did you act like the Max360-ci was better then anything out there? That was a lie? It Can't even Jam any new dragon eyes just a gun from 2014 area.
    Since you don't even have it installed in your own car.
    How can we trust you? Did Escort Give you a free 360ci?

    Escort MAX Ci / MAX 360 Ci Update – RALETC
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    Supposedly firmware after 2015 it cannot jam.

    People I trust have reported that, however I don't have a system, it's just too rich for my blood.

    That said, many of those guys have MANY guns available to them, so it's easy for them to test many versions.

    Escorts canada presentation basically verified the same thing, so it's just a waiting game for escort to update the software.

    However there was a change around the same time requiring ALP to use 3 heads to successfully jam newer DET guns. That method was patented, so escort needs a different method, perhaps a method we have not thought of, which would be very cool.

    If you go lookup ALP's patents you can see how it all works, and it makes perfect sense why 3 heads are required. And I fear escort will have to require 3 heads as well, because I haven't been able to figure out a way in my mind of another way to handle the RNG of the new DET's. But I am not an engineer, just a guy with lots of time to think about things.

    Other than the DET, and the few other newer lidar guns with anti-jamming that also use RNG, it 'should' handle those fine from the few results I have seen.

    As the nicer weather descends everywhere, and others obtain the units, testing will be heavily performed on the units jamming capabilities.

    Keep in mind, it's also newly released, so bugs, and fixes are common with new products. Buying a newly released product, especially some newer technology(IE the jammers, and the M7 antenna) means you'll have to deal with some growing pains usually. No company is immune to that, not even escort



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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

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    I'm used to it. LOL.

    Since you are now independent of RALTEC, and I think you are not TOO far away, if or when you would be willing, I'd like to see your targeting in action. Unfortunately, my BMW is fubar'd right now and the front bumper is in dire need of replacement because I lost an argument with a snow mound. Maybe later in the season. It just goes to show, that mileage does indeed vary with every countermeasure/install. Have you made ER aware of your first hand findings? I'd be interested to know their response. I can also pass on your experiences...

    I think there are a good number of DE variations floating around out their, if I am correct 13 or so? That's a lot of territory to test just with one MFR. Escort was definitive with the results of the test and I don't believe I was BS'd. Why do so with such a limited audience?
    Regret the delayed reply to your Post here....My Dell desktop Computer crapped out 2 wks ago & just got it repaired & am back on-line now.

    Yes you are correct, I am completely independent & have no affiliation w/ any testing Group as such & it's a much better fit for me this way. However, I would & sometimes do partner w/ individuals who invite me to participate w/ them. It's difficult to Shoot & write results simultaneously & try to re-target quickly, so I also will sit in the co-pilot seat & will be the Stenographer.
    When your Bimmer is back on the road & you have a Max360ci it's possible for you to join, but would also need the consent of whoever else in the group was also attending.

    I don't really know how many variants of DragonEye f/w's there are, I do know "some" from my purchases of used ones from eBay (or Forum sales) & the O.E.M. doesn't sell to enthusiasts like myself, however EscortRadar is a multi-million dollar Company & they have far more financial resources than someone like me so there is no excuse for them to not acquire the Lidars needed to meet their advertised specifications of being able to Defeat All "Known" DragonEye Lidars. I'm also intelligent enough to "see" their convenient 'legal' escape release word of "known", too !!! <-----I won't comment any further on that particular point, but I know you understand what I mean.
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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by RedRocket View Post
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    I'm used to it. LOL.

    Since you are now independent of RALTEC, and I think you are not TOO far away, if or when you would be willing, I'd like to see your targeting in action. Unfortunately, my BMW is fubar'd right now and the front bumper is in dire need of replacement because I lost an argument with a snow mound. Maybe later in the season. It just goes to show, that mileage does indeed vary with every countermeasure/install. Have you made ER aware of your first hand findings? I'd be interested to know their response. I can also pass on your experiences...

    I think there are a good number of DE variations floating around out their, if I am correct 13 or so? That's a lot of territory to test just with one MFR. Escort was definitive with the results of the test and I don't believe I was BS'd. Why do so with such a limited audience?
    Regret the delayed reply to your Post here....My Dell desktop Computer crapped out 2 wks ago & just got it repaired & am back on-line now.

    Yes you are correct, I am completely independent & have no affiliation w/ any testing Group as such & it's a much better fit for me this way. However, I would & sometimes do partner w/ individuals who invite me to participate w/ them. It's difficult to Shoot & write results simultaneously & try to re-target quickly, so I also will sit in the co-pilot seat & will be the Stenographer.
    When your Bimmer is back on the road & you have a Max360ci it's possible for you to join, but would also need the consent of whoever else in the group was also attending.

    I don't really know how many variants of DragonEye f/w's there are, I do know "some" from my purchases of used ones from eBay (or Forum sales) & the O.E.M. doesn't sell to enthusiasts like myself, however EscortRadar is a multi-million dollar Company & they have far more financial resources than someone like me so there is no excuse for them to not acquire the Lidars needed to meet their advertised specifications of being able to Defeat All "Known" DragonEye Lidars. I'm also intelligent enough to "see" their convenient 'legal' escape release word of "known", too !!! <-----I won't comment any further on that particular point, but I know you understand what I mean.
    I don't view their claim of as an escape clause more than I believe it's a fair statement. DE is known for releasing plenty of various firmware to foil laser jammers and they will certainly continue. My understanding is that Escort has already been working on addressing the firmware that hasn't been addressed. My long-term interests are more concerning the future ability of any jammer product to be sufficiently adaptable and updateable to any new guns that appear.

    Please to hear that you are not affiliated with that testing group. It's been my experience over the 15 years or so of the appearance of so-called enthusiast testing groups that once they become more popular (and known by the mfrs) coupled with the alliance with them or their dealers, the imprimatur of objectivity goes out the window. Seen it multiple times (and perhaps you have).

    Yes, I believe, Escort has a pipeline to them. I have also heard that the release of firmware isn't always "linear" in an attempt to really mix things up. Not sure how true it is or what the practical implications are.

    I believe the test that I originally referred to were with "known" versions, which would make the most sense.

    Still haven't completed repairs of my 5, but Escort has asked me to keep the older M3 remotes in my vehicle so I can perform direct back-to-back comparisons.
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    Default Re: BREAKING: Early testing suggests the new Cis are most impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by Veil Guy View Post
    I don't view their claim of as an escape clause more than I believe it's a fair statement. DE is known for releasing plenty of various firmware to foil laser jammers and they will certainly continue. My understanding is that Escort has already been working on addressing the firmware that hasn't been addressed. My long-term interests are more concerning the future ability of any jammer product to be sufficiently adaptable and updateable to any new guns that appear.

    Please to hear that you are not affiliated with that testing group. It's been my experience over the 15 years or so of the appearance of so-called enthusiast testing groups that once they become more popular (and known by the mfrs) coupled with the alliance with them or their dealers, the imprimatur of objectivity goes out the window. Seen it multiple times (and perhaps you have).

    Yes, I believe, Escort has a pipeline to them. I have also heard that the release of firmware isn't always "linear" in an attempt to really mix things up. Not sure how true it is or what the practical implications are.

    I believe the test that I originally referred to were with "known" versions, which would make the most sense.

    Still haven't completed repairs of my 5, but Escort has asked me to keep the older M3 remotes in my vehicle so I can perform direct back-to-back comparisons.
    I've seen the comments made on ERF by the Rep. whose username is "EscortRadar", but I have no idea what his timeframe of "soon" really entails for the f/w upgrade to the Max360ci that it currently needs to be a viable product for 'todays' threats. Soon to me means a matter of a few days, "later" could imply weeks & anything beyond that is unacceptable in the marketplace today.

    Yeah, I still have an M3 Remote too, in the form of an STi R (Original) but it's practically un-useable today b/c of K-band false garbage from BSM & ACC sytems on cars n' Trucks. I don't bother using it locally, but do press it into service on only Ka-band for long trips.

    I believe you have a working relationship w/ the gentlemen who runs the Can/Am event & he hasn't held one for 2017 AFAIK, perhaps you'll have your 5 & a Max360ci on the road again if it happens this year.
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