Western Australian Laser Jammer

[madmurf]

Hi All
This is my first post and was wondering if laser jamming is illegal in
Western Australia. I understand the rules about the eastern state of Australia but what about Westrn Australia.
Has anyone been pulled over in WA after using there laser jammer?
I have a Skyline Turbo which I run
Bell 995 with Laser Pro 905.
In the V6 Commodore I run
Escort 8500 X50, M40 blinder and Scanner setup.
I want to know what my rights are if I do get pulled up in WA.
Do I need to say the LEO if they spot my laser jammer senders that they are Kanagaroo sound counter measures
Thanks
Madmurf

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Roo countermeasures!!! ROTFLMAO!!!


Good one, I am pretty sure that if the police have laser guns, they know what jammers are!!! But have they encated a law to counter their use.

Search the statutes, and see for yourself, I am guessing it is your whole country that has them banned. look at how they treat RD's.

Maybe you could keep some night-vision equipment in the vehicle, and say they are infrared illuminators for your night vision set-up for nighttime Roo avoidance. LOL!!!


How much do those things weigh? I am up to my neck in deer up by me. (140-300 pounds for the adults, and we got alot of "spots" running around right now too) But I could not imagine needing to avoid Roo's all the time. Can you eat those things? at least we can eat the deer if you nail one! (if they do not get turned into road-pizza)

[madmurf]

The rules for RDs differ from state to state in Australia.
In Western Australia RDs are legal to sell and use. It is the only state left that you can do this.
Was hopeing to get some WA guys with jamming experience to see what if any issues with the local LEOs.
The roos are big in the Southwest of WA and grow to over 6ft in height and I would hate to guess the weight but it would be up to 80kg plus.
You can eat them but its not a sort after product as we mainly use it for dog food. Not bad hey the Australian national emblem animal is used for dog food.
I work 60Ks from home and will see approx 3 to 4 a day. Pretty common
and we do have products that are fitted to cars both electronic and mechanical that create a high freq sound to scare these roos away. (works sometimes)
Thanks for the reply

[mattvr]

Laser Jamming IS ILLEGAL in Western Australia.

Police have the power to seize the device and fine you if they catch you.
Police in W.A. use the LTI Ultralyte

If you need anymore info just PM me.

[madmurf]

Laser Jamming IS ILLEGAL in Western Australia.

Police have the power to seize the device and fine you if they catch you.
Police in W.A. use the LTI Ultralyte

If you need anymore info just PM me.

Hi Mat

I did PM you but no reply as yet. I also found this information on the net
I thought it may be useful to other members from Australia instead of us just guessing.
As you can see Western Australia is on the bottom with no current laws against Jammers or RDs.

Each state has different laws governing the use of radar detectors.

AUSTRALIA CAPITAL TERRITORY
The Bill amends Part X1 of the Principal Act to prohibit the sale, purchase and
use of radar detectors and jammers - devices which may be used by motorists
to prevent the effective use of radar speed measuring equipment by the
police.

New subsection 154G (1) prohibits the use, sale, or purchase of a radar
detecting device or radar jamming device.
New subsection 164G (2) makes it an offence for a person to drive a
motor vehide, or cause a motor vehide to stand on a public street if
the vehicle is fitted with or is carrying a radar detecting device or radar
jamming device. This provision is necessary to ensure that a motorist
is not able to avoid proseortion by daiming that whilst a radar detector
or jammer is fitted or carried in his or her vehicle, the device is not, or
has not been, in use.
New subsection 164G (3) makes the owner of a motor vehicle which is
driven or stands on a public street or in a public place in contravention
of subsection (2) guilry of an offence.
A penalty of $2000 is provided in respect of an offence against new section
164G.


NEW SOUTH WALES
4AD Sale, purchase and use of prohibited speed measuring evasion articles:
(1) A person must not sell or offer for sale, or purchase, a prohibited speed measuring evasion article.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
(2) A person must not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle or trailer to stand, on a road or road related area if a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
(3) The owner of a motor vehicle or trailer which is driven or stands on a road or road related area in contravention of subsection (2) is guilty of an offence.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
(4) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under this section if the defendant satisfies the court that the article concerned was not designed as a prohibited speed measuring evasion article but was designed for another purpose.
(5) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under subsection (2) or (3) if the defendant satisfies the court that, at the time of the alleged offence:
(a) the vehicle was in the course of a journey to a place appointed by a member of the police force, an officer of the Authority or a court, in order to surrender the article, or
(b) the vehicle was the subject of a notice, issued in accordance with the regulations, requiring the owner of the vehicle to remove the article from the vehicle within a specified time and that time had not expired, or
(c) the defendant did not know, and in the circumstances could not reasonably be expected to have known, that the article concerned was fitted or applied to, or was being carried in, the vehicle.
Traffic Act 1909 - Sect 4AE
4AE Surrender and forfeiture of prohibited speed measuring evasion articles
(1) A police officer who reasonably believes that:
(a) a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is being sold or offered for sale in contravention of section
4AD (1), or
(b) a motor vehicle or trailer is standing or being driven in contravention of section 4AD (2) because of an article fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle, may require a person in possession of the article to surrender it immediately to the police officer or, in the case of an article fitted or applied to a motor vehicle or trailer and not immediately removable, may by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle require the owner to surrender the article within a specified time and in a specified manner to the Commissioner of Police.
(2) An officer of the Authority who is authorised in writing by the Authority for the purposes of this section and who finds a prohibited speed measuring evasion article fitted or applied to, or carried in, a motor vehicle or trailer may, by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle, require the owner to do either or both of the following:
(a) remove the article (if it is fitted to the vehicle),
(b) surrender the article within a specified time and in a specified manner to the Commissioner of Police.
(3) A person must comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2), whether or not he or she is the owner of the article concerned.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
(4) A court which finds an offence under section 4AD or under subsection (3) to have been proven against any person may order that the article concerned, if not already surrendered pursuant to a requirement under this section, be delivered to the Commissioner of Police within a time and in a manner specified by the court.
(5) An article surrendered as required under this section is thereby forfeited to the Crown and may be destroyed or otherwise disposed of at the direction of the Commissioner of Police.
(6) No liability attaches to any person on account of the surrender by the person, in pursuance of a requirement under this section, of a prohibited speed measuring evasion article of which that person is not the absolute owner
Traffic Act, 1909 - Sect 2
Definitions: Prohibited speed measuring evasion article means any device or substance that is designed, or apparently designed, to be fitted or applied to, or to be carried in, a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of detecting, interfering with, or reducing the effectiveness of, an approved speed measuring device, and includes a radar detecting device and a radar jamming device. Radar detecting device means a device designed or apparently designed to be fitted to or carried in a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of detecting electromagnetic radiations from an approved speed measuring device. Radar jamming device means a device designed or apparently designed to be fitted to or carried in a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of interfering with the receiving by an approved speed measuring device of reflected electromagnetic radiations.

NORTHERN TERRITORY

27. Interfering with traffic infringement detection device
(1) A person must not unlawfully tamper with, interfere with or cause damage to a traffic infringement detection device.
(2) A person must not unlawfully interfere with the operation of a traffic infringement detection device.
(3) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for preventing the effective operation of a traffic infringement detection device.
(4) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for detecting whether a traffic infringement detection device is in operation in the vicinity of the vehicle.
(5) A person commits an offence against subregulation (3) or (4) whether or not the device in or on the vehicle is in use.
(6) If a member of the Police Force believes on reasonable grounds that a person has, or a vehicle is fitted with, a device that is intended to be used in contravention of this regulation, the member may seize the device for the purposes of tendering it in evidence in a prosecution of the person.
(7) If a person is found guilty of an offence against this regulation, the court may order a device seized under subregulation (6), or a device used in the commission of the offence, to be forfeited to the Territory.

QUEENSLAND

225. (1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle has in or on it-
(a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device; or
(b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device.
Maximum penalty-40 penalty units.
225. (2) Subsection (1) applies to a device whether or not the device is operating or in working order.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA

(1) A person must not sell a radar detector or jammer, or store or offer a radar detector or jammer for sale.
(2) A member of the police force may seize, retain and test any device that he or she has reasonable cause to suspect is a radar detector or jammer.
(3) A device seized under this section is forfeited to the Crown if a person is found guilty of or expiates an offence against this Act in relation to the device.
(4) A device forfeited pursuant to this section must be disposed of in such manner as the Commissioner of Police directs.
(5) In proceedings for an offence against this Act, an allegation in the complaint that a specified device is a radar detector or jammer is proof of the matter so alleged, in the absence of proof to the contrary.
(6) In this section—
"radar detector or jammer" includes any device for detecting the use, or preventing the effective use, of a speed measuring device (whether or not the speed measuring device employs radar in its operation).

TASMANIA,
Division 3 - Horns and radar detectors
Using radar detectors and similar devices 225.
(1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle has in or on it a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device, or a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device, unless the person is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction.
Penalty: Fine not exceeding 10 penalty units. Note: Drive includes be in control of (see the definition in the dictionary. (2) Subrule (1) applies whether or not the device is operating or in working order.
Note: Under the law of this jurisdiction, radar detectors and similar devices may be subject to confiscation; see rule 354
PART 22 - LOCAL ROAD RULES
Note 1
The rules in this Part are not part of the national scheme. They apply only in Tasmania.
Division 1 - Powers of police officers and authorised persons seizure of detection devices
354. (1) A police officer or authorised person who has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is equipped with a detection device may; (a) enter and search the motor vehicle; and (b) doing as little damage as possible in the circumstances, seize any device that appears to the police officer or authorised person to be a detection device; and (c) cause any device so seized to be tested; and (d) cause any device so seized to be produced in court as evidence in any proceedings under rule 225.
Note 1: Authorised person and police officer are defined in the dictionary.
Note 2: Rule 225 makes it an offence to drive a vehicle having a detection device. (2) If a person is convicted of an offence under rule 225 the detection device to which the offence relates is forfeited to the Crown. (3) In this rule "detection device" means; (a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device; or (b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device.
Start of valid time period for this component: 01 Dec 1999. End of valid time period for this component: 29 Nov 2009

VICTORIA, (Road Safety Act 1986) section74
(1) A person must not own, sell, use or possess a device the sole or principal purpose of which is to prevent the effective use of a prescribed speed measuring device or to detect when a prescribed speed measuring device is being used.
Penalty: 20 penalty units.
(2) A person must, if required to do so by a member of the police force or an officer of the Corporation or an employee in the Department of Infrastructure (being an officer or employee authorised in writing by the Corporation or the Secretary of the Department of Infrastructure, as the case requires, in that behalf), surrender to that member or officer or employee any device referred to in sub-section (1).
Penalty: 5 penalty units.
(3) A court that convicts a person of an offence against sub-section (1) or before which a person is charged with an offence against sub-section (1) of which the person is found guilty or to which the person pleads guilty and in respect of which a conviction is not recorded may order that the device by means of which the offence was committed be forfeited to the Government of Victoria.
(4) All devices forfeited under sub-section (3) must be destroyed or otherwise is posed of as the Chief Commissioner of Police directs.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Currently there are no laws against radar detectors or laser detectors.

[mattvr]

Hi Mat

I did PM you but no reply as yet. I also found this information on the net
I thought it may be useful to other members from Australia instead of us just guessing.
As you can see Western Australia is on the bottom with no current laws against Jammers or RDs.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Currently there are no laws against radar detectors or laser detectors.

Hey

I dunno what happened but I never got a PM?

You might notice on those laws detecting laser is LEGAL, but you will find laser JAMMING is considered ILLEGAL.

Please see the image I have attached. It was taken from the west australian earlier this year.

[madmurf]

Hi Matt

Thanks for the reply.
With that statement from the LEO it makes you wonder if the error codes directly corrensponds to a jammer error code or other things.
Do you know if the Ultra has error codes that say blocked by jammer or just other errors that can occur all the time.
Either way I will make sure the LP905 or my Blinder M40 jammer is turned off once I am at the legal speed.
Do you know of any one being charged?

Cheers

MM

[mattvr]

Hey

The Ultralyte guns used here in perth are campable of showing a jamming error code,
E07 - Measurement error - optical interference detected. Indicates the possible use of a laser jamming device. Accompanied by wariable tone.

Although I do not know of anyone being caught with a jammer, this is probably because not many people use them.

As you can see from the article, there is no specific law against laser jammers, rather it is classed under 'hindering police' Maybe if your jammer was also a parking sensor you could fight the charge?

[madmurf]

HI matVR

Just got love the infomation on this forum.
Did some searching and came up with this.

Quote From Jimbonzz
"In all of the testing GOL has done (including Blinder):
LTI Ultralyte/Marksman: E07 or a JAM indicator has never come up. 8) "

I will just make sure I turn the jammer of quick enough. If he gets a reading he really cant say I was hindering his job.

Do you use laser sheild or veil.?

[mattvr]

Yeah, you should be ok if you quickly turn off the Jammer and let him get a reading.

I dont use veil or a laser shield, although i do use a V1. I have encountered laser only twice in about 1.5/2 years! :shock: