Communist Province of Ontario Buy a laser jammer dispite the jam codes??

[Volvo850turbo]

Hi Folks,

I've got to say I am really liking this forum. It is what convinced me to get the Sti Driver , and I couldn't be happier.


Well here is my dilemma I live in communist Ontario (Toronto & Mississauga)...So I mostly deal with OPP,Peel police, & Toronto police.

This LEOs use alot of laser. I''ve been hit by laser at least 3 times. In my area they seem to only run radar on moving patrol cars at night. Yesterday as I go onto the 407 There was an OPP LEO hiding behind the onramp shooting laser(from behind of course) at those who were just making the bend before the road straightened and it was time for you to accelerate & merge. A quarter mile ahead was beastly OPP Chevy Tahoe tucked to the side waiting to get the information from the laser operator and initiate a pull over. Had my Sti Driver not gone off(Laser Alert..it said)...I would have never known...it was the most sneaky trap I have ever seen ( shooting laser from behind the onramp...where the limit was 30KMH/19MPH ...I was actually late for an interview THANK GOD I wasn't speeding too much or else I would've been nabbed and been VERRRY late for the interview and out a few hundred dollars.


So that's the story now...I think I should get a jammer. The way I see it I would rather pay 700 for a jammer than get 2 tickets for 200-300 for speeding...financially this makes sense too...if you factor in the insurance increases aswell.

If yesterday was any indication...LEOs do shoot from behind in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area)


What worries my is if I get a jammer and get shot by laser and the laser operator notices the error that his laser gun will read (or jam code)...I'll possibly be pulled over right?...jammers confiscated...maybe even radar detector...and then I'm really out a ton of money....


A forum member told me on another forum

"If u ever decide getting some laser jammers, or maybe u already have some on your car, get LI only, they are the BEST:

But also VERY expensive!

A friend of mine in Toronto has got LIs on his damn expensive (over $200k) luxury car, I dont have his money so... that's life!

You need only the 2-head LI, you do NOT need LI heads for the rear plate, no cop is lasering you from behind!

What else, all LJs send out an error code easily seen on any laser gun display, then it's up to the cop to take the most appropriate measure, pull you over regardless of your speed (including let's say 60 km/h in a 60 km/h zone) and start determining why he got that error code on his laser gun display!

The LJ heads are very easily visible with naked eye regardless how good you install them on the front end of your car, my friend's car is just a perfect example of this, you gotta be well prepared for some VERY good explanation when ANY cop might ask you about those black heads on your car!

The guy who sells the LI, the only authorized LI seller in North America, is down in Florida, he's a good and friendly fellow, I've met him once, he's name is Cliff and he's driving a freakin' expensive Mercedes with 4 LI heads, 2 at the front and 2 at the rear, well, he's got the money for 4-head LI, no Florida cop laser you from behind but hey, it's a free country, you got the money, free to buy anything you want, right?

Also, you WILL attract lots of attention with those 2-head LJs in front of your car, if they confiscate the LJ they will confiscate your STI as well, so... be aware of everything!
"


Well he hasn't had the privelage of being lasered from behind...obviously...

I really want to purchase a laser jammer but don't want to loose it to a LEO!!!


What would you do if you were in my shoes?

Thanks!

[Stealth Stalker]

What would you do if you were in my shoes?

I would not take any advice from that friend anymore.

[kpatz]

1. The only North American guns that display jam codes for most jammers are the Laser Atlanta Speedlaser series. And they display jam codes for just about everything including cars that don't have jammers. Let's just say the LA jam detection falses more than a V1 in a shopping plaza. Most LEOs will tend to ignore the jammer messages unless you make it blatantly obvious that you're jamming them. Stalker and LTI guns have jam codes as well but today's top jammers (LI and Blinder series) do NOT cause jam codes on these guns.

2. If you jam a LEO, the best practice is to slow down to a legal speed swiftly but not blatantly (avoid nose-diving) and then SHUT OFF the jammer. At this point the LEO will be able to get a speed reading that shows you at a legal speed and they'll let you go. If they got a jam code, they will have only seen it briefly and they'll think it was a false due to reflections, headlights or whatever.

3. For rear jamming, avoid sudden braking if possible. At least make it look like you braked because you SAW the LEO and not because of a countermeasure. Or if it's safe to do so, downshift or use the e-brake to slow down without brake lights. Once again, kill the jammers as soon as you've slowed to a legal speed. Also, it's best not to speed excessively under overpasses or past on-ramps where sneaky LEOs can hide.

[Volvo850turbo]

I just noticed I made a spelling mistake in the title of the thread..I meant "despite "


Stealth Stalker...He's actually a member of this website...goes by the name "RoadWarrior"..I'm sure he doesn't mind. He has lots of videos on You-tube.

I think you may be right

kpatz...Thanks so much for the outline!!!

I'm going to look into getting a brake light kill switch...to help with this...

Now I'm off to get picture of my car...so I can get some advice on what jammer system to get and some placement advice

Thanks!

[Stealth Stalker]

Well, RW is good people. And he spends enough time on the roads (thus the name) that he would know the threats in that area better than me. But I just don't believe in ever discounting the potential for rear shots. RDs are notorious for not picking them up, so most people never know they've been hit from the rear unless they have rear heads.

He is primarily mistaken about the error code thing. Most guns don't even have them. And of those that do, only one gives it often. And that gun gives it so often that cops don't even pay attention to it. Jam codes are of no real concern unless you're jamming to gun, in which case you deserve what you get.

I'd certainly take his advice on jammer purchase, but I wouldn't blow off the rear threat. And read carefully what kpatz said about killing your jammer as soon as you get slowed down. That'll prevent any problems with the cops finding it.

[Swamp]

I live (and drive) in a state where jammers are illegal. I was fortunate to have a very convenient spot on the rear of my pickup to mount the rear jammer heads, where they are practically impossible to see, while my front heads are very easy to see.
I'm more worried about my front heads being seen while I'm in a parking lot or something.
If I get stopped, the LEO will be approaching my vehicle from behind, and in my experience the only time they go to the front of the vehicle is when they have requested you to spread your hands on the hood, take 1 step backwards, and spread your legs apart so they can pat you down before getting out the hand-cuffs, but even that can happen at the rear of the vehicle. :EEK:

[jerry540i]

1. Metro Toronto use Ultralyte and older Gen 2 Laser Atlanta's--no jam codes. Radar is MPH 33.8 ka, though there are a very few handheld K- band guns still out there

2. Some newer Laser Atlanta units being used by OPP, I doubt they've got the jam code feature activated--you've got to pick through a bunch of menus just to turn it on. I've jammed a couple of newer OPP LA's without problem. Ultralytes are still the most common OPP gun. Radar is almost 100% K band Decatur Genesis units, and they have Decatur Genesis VP Directional handhelds as well. I've seen a 35.5 ka Decatur Genesis in a OPP Highway Ranger car, but I doubt that 35.5 is a common gun.

3. Relax about the jammer heads. I bet there are less than a 100 cars in Ontario with jammers. I've run mine for years, and have never had anyone look twice at them. They are after all, parking sensors. Nobody, including the cops is looking for them.

4. RW's a straight up guy. I've met him a couple of times and he's seen the setup on my car. He drives 10 of thousands of miles on the GTA roads annually, so he can tell you what to look out for in the burbs as well. The friend he's referring to is probably me, though my car isn't worth 200k! Also his advice is a bit off. Not every laser jammer sets off jam codes, and not every laser gun even has the ability to display jam codes.

J/

[dcdave78]

Been running LI's on both my car and my truck for over 2 years not a problem. Several encounters with the OPP and town police they never give you a second look if you slow to PSL and shut jammers off. But I will recommend in a area such as Ontario that you only purchase high end jammers such as LI or Blinder to avoid jam codes as there is alot of Laser Atlanta's out there.

Dave

Current countermeasures

Truck

Escort Redline
LI Dual
Laser shield

Car

Sti Driver ( ramp up fix )
LI Dual
Laser Shield

[Cadbury]

Very very sneaky trap.

They don't have anything that complicated in Winnipeg.

[raydeee]

I guess i better get a rear head then