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    Default WANTED:Someone in WA state Blinder and Lidatek for testing

    I'm looking for someone that lives in Washington State that has a Blinder M20 xtreme or Lidatek laser jammer installed on their car. The M20 must have been purchased by an authorized Blinder distributor and the unit has to be installed by a professional. The M20 must have been purchased before September 4th, 2004 in order to make sure the unit was not suped up by the maker.

    If you meet the following requirements above JammerTests.com would like to set up a video taped test run against a Laser Atlanta in stealth mode. I personally have an M20 on my car and a video taped test run will hopefully be shot this weekend, but it would be nice if somone other than myself had an M20 that could be tested as well. The owner of the blinder that is being tested must agree to have the video test uploaded and viewed on JammerTests.com for an indefinite amout of time and will agree to NOT be compensated in any way shape or form. The owner of the blinder gives the producer of the video, JammerTests.com, full rights to use and distribute the video however he feels fit. Half of the license plate will be duct taped to ensure the privacy of the owner car.

    There is an argument that ALL blinder M20's jam stealth mode. JammerTests.com is looking for an M20 that is about 1 year old to prove that this is not true and that the Blinder M20's sold up to 1 year after the SML report were older version that didn't have the capability to jam stealth. This is why we are testing an older unit, not a brand new one. I feel that the people that have already bought the M20 deserve to know if they were mislead or not. If Blinder has nothing to hide then JammerTests.com will not come up with anything. We will video tape the truth because we could get sued if we didn't.

    Please email at info[at]JammerTests.com.

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    I don't get it.

    Why are you insisting on testing an older version of a product.

    This doesn't make any sense. Do you have an agenda here?

    Your reference to avoiding to testing a product not "suped up" is perplexing to me. If a company has updated their products over time why not test the most current version?

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    I'm sure if blinder comes out with a new jammer that they will insist on selling the old ones first. Or the hundreds already in teh warehouses must be sold as well. I am not seeing an agenda, I just am seeing someone that wants to get the facts straight.

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    but there shouldn't be any problem selling any of the old m20 or m40 since they are all upgradable on the software point of view

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    Veil guy, you are totally missing my point. Lets bring it into another perspecitve for you to understand.

    Lets pretend that Escort came out with the 8500 KU50 that was designed to detect a new KU band. Now lets say you bought this new KU50 for $50.00 more then the now older X50 version. You get this nice radar detector from escort and on the box it says KU50 and on the detector it says KU50. Ironically, your next door neighbor is a police officer that was just issued a KU band radar gun. You test out the detector and find out the detector does NOT detect KU band at all!

    Do you think it would make the consumer upset if they figured out the computer software in the new model KU100 was the same as the older model X50? Sethy has it right on the money. It's very much possible that these M10's could have simply been put into M20 casings and new boxes for about a year and then Blinder ran out of the surplus and decided to finally give out the REAL M20. If I buy an M20 I want to receive the M20 reviews on the SML report. I dont' want some M10 version put into an M20 casing. You can't see the point Veil guy? On another posting I read you admitted to Blinder having different versions of the M20 just like Blinder International admitted to it. What is the matter with this? The problem is possibly thousands of people purchased an M20 they thought beat steath mode, but it wasn't the same version that SML tested. What Sethy says makes perfect sense. I'm not saying this is what Blinder did, but it's a possibility that blinder did have a surplus of M10's. How many civilians or consumers of the M20 or any other laser jammer for that matter own a Laser Atlanta with stealth mode? Like Rocky Mountain Radar it's pretty safe to assume that knowbody is going to have a $3,500.00 lidar gun to actually test the product. SML probably tested an M20 that came directly from Denmark that had the new software. Now Veil guy will say what is the big deal if you got an older version of the M20? You can always upgrade it! The big deal is people already spent $350.00 for the unit and $150.00 to install the thing. Now you're saying that people will be excited to spend $100.00 to uninstall the jammer to spend another $50.00 to ship it to Denmark? Give me a break Veil Guy. People want to receive what was advertised. They don't want old surplus placed in a new box.

    It would be ethical for Blinder to place a new version number on the box, so it would be clearly identified as a new version.

    So the question is why do I want to test the older M20s(1 year old)? Lets think about this Veil guy. Leon will tell you any M20 will jam stealth mode. Well...if this is true lets see if one of the older M20's are the same as the new ones. Would Blinder be upset if I uncovered a surplus liquidation scheme to put older M10's into M20 casings until 6 months ago? Can you imagine the cost of the recall it would cost blinder to update the software on the older M20's to the software of the newer version they were supposed to get in the first place? I bought my M20 about a YEAR after the SML report and I still got the older version. This matter should be addressed by Blinder and a public appology and recall should be issued for all the older M20's that were advertised.

    Laser Veil guy made the comment that I may have an agenda. Lets put this into perspective shall we. Laser Veil sells products that are designed to work with BLINDER and other laser jammers. On the other hand I don't sell laser jammers at all. Who do you think would be more biased?

    Laser Veil guy also says that Laser Atlanta has only 6% of the market share. In my opinion I believe this to be a true statement by Veil. The fact Laser Atlanta only has 6% of the market share doesn't matter. The point is Blinder claimed one thing and then sold another. I think Blinder is still the best laser jammer currently in production and if you have the older M20 I still think that it is better then the ZR3 or bel laser pros. This post was meant to educate people and to not let ANY company get away with misleading the public. I hope Blinder will learn from this and not have SML test new versions of it's jammer while selling older versions in the same box. Valentine One's look exactly the same. If I buy a 1.8 version I want to get a 1.8 version, not a 1.7 version without pop.

    The truth should never be covered up by new soil. I will test any M20 I want to Veil guy and if that's unacceptable then maybe you have an agenda to stop me from uncovering a dirty little secret that wasn't supposed to be dug up.

    For all you newbies out their looking for a laser jammer I still suggest you buy a Blinder M20 from Radar Roy. The new versions of the M20's should be out by now and in circulation. For all the guys that got the older versions I suggest you write Blinder International and demand the new version....because you paid for it.

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    Continued from last post

    ...meant to educate people and to not let ANY company get away with misleading the public. I hope Blinder will learn from this and not have SML test new versions of it's jammer while selling older versions in the same box. Valentine One's look exactly the same. If I buy a 1.8 version I want to get a 1.8 version, not a 1.7 version without pop.

    The truth should never be covered up by new soil. I will test any M20 I want to Veil guy and if that's unacceptable then maybe you have an agenda to stop me from uncovering a dirty little secret that wasn't supposed to be dug up.

    For all you newbies out their looking for a laser jammer I still suggest you buy a Blinder M20 from Radar Roy. The new versions of the M20's should be out by now and in circulation. For all the guys that got the older versions I suggest you write Blinder International and demand the new version....because you paid for it.

    Chris

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    Bob,

    I do not see an agenda either. I see his point.
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    OK, no worries.

    May I suggest that you just ask the Blinder Dude. I should think he would know and would tell you straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauiman84
    but there shouldn't be any problem selling any of the old m20 or m40 since they are all upgradable on the software point of view
    No but when you talk about international shipping then there is a problem
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    OK,

    I spoke to the Blinder Dude and here's the timeline.

    1) Blinder comes out with the M20 Xtreme (M40 not shipped yet)
    2) Laser Atlanta announces Stealth Mode operating option
    3) Blinder acquires the upgrade to the Laser Atlanta gun
    4) Within two weeks, TA & Blinder DK had an update to deal with it
    5) M20s and soon to ship M40s incorporate the new capability

    Leon also told me that if you happen to own a very early version of the M20 that was shipped prior to the introduction of stealth mode, he offered to you a "warranty" replacement and that you have not replied to his email offer as yet.

    I don't know what else there is to say; this feels like a red herring.

    Guys, with respect to an agenda. My understanding is this gentleman tried to sell Blinder on the Internet some time ago, had difficulty in moving product, and then priced the product below the MAP to blow the product out which went against the channel policy despite repeated requests to stop the practice of "whoring" product.

    Site was dropped this Monday/Tuesday.

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    They're the same registration.

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