Using a Jammer in a banned area

[TSi+WRX]

The "this is a parking assist device" argument may or may not hold-up to roadside scrutiny.

The more knowledgeable you are about LIDAR, the more likely you may gety by, provided that the enforcer is willing to listen. Ivan (interceptor) once related a story of such an encounter in Europe, where he demonstrated to the roadside enforcers that pulled him over that the remote control for his vehicle's CD-player could cause a jam-code on the enforcer's LIDAR.

If the enforcer is not receptive to such explainations, though, you might just be pissing him/her off, more, by trying such a tact.

Instead, try to fight it, in-court.

To the best of my knowledge, no such battles have arisen, yet, stateside. But overseas, in the UK, the LPP has had success, maintaining its "parking assist device" cover.

But honestly, here in North America (US and Canada), the devices that our enforcers use so routinely spit out spurious jam-codes and potential jam-codes that our enforcers have all but become blind to such.

Just as desensitization to our detectors' alerts is our own cardinal sin, so is the same, of our enforcers and their equipment.

Except, in this case, it truly is a fault of their equipment - and not the personnel.

When their LIDAR give false-positives to everything from DRLs to just a simple "tree" in the distance, who, in their right mind, would *ever* trust such a device to truly tell them that a vehicle might or might not be jammer equipped?

And combine this with the not-infrequent random vehicle, which does not carry *any* countermeasures, returning with significantly delayed or outright no lock, it's not hard to see why the practice of proper tactical disengagement - turning off your jammer(s) as soon as you are down-to-reasonable/PSL - will work just fine.

[duhtroll]

And --

the way mine will be installed it will look like it is part of the vehicle. *IF* they can detect it visually I'll be surprised, and then I can worry about explanation.

Hmm. My new stereo has a remote, too. Gonna have to test that...

[Aoshi]

I've held off getting a jammer for years simply because I cannot for the life of me find a good place to hide it, either on the front or back of my car.

The fact is, if a LEO had a clue what to look for with my STi-R, I'm screwed.. It's not exactly THAT hard to spot..

I'd love to hide the STi-R receiver out of site and install the LI heads instead and take my chances with them, but they would have to be even more visible and I'm sure the "parking sensor" story isn't going to hold up, no matter how hard I try to sell it.

[Reekor]

I think you guys are going about this the wrong way. If the LEO pulls you over and asks about a jammer, you say " I dont understand what you are asking officer?" If he bothers to explain what he is asking about, You tell the LEO that you have no such thing. When and if he finds the jammer heads and says what is this, then you tell the LEO its a parking sensor. If the LEO asks why you need that on the front, You tell the LEO that you have a small garage and you have to pull the car in close to the wall and you fear of paint damage.

At this point you have told the LEO what he/she wanted to know and the friendliness stops. Remember the LEO is not your friend, his/her job is to make arrests. If the LEO asks to search, don’t let the LEO search your car for privacy reasons. If the LEO has cause for a search he/she will not ask for permission to search and just go and do a search. The LEO’s suspicion is not cause and that’s the only reason the LEO would ask for your permission to search. The burden of proof is on the LEO and not you, don’t help the LEO bust you. If you were a cop would you chance the idea of being wrong, after having someone’s car towed and impounded because you seen jammer heads? After all the paper work to find out that it is a parking sensor or a set of cheap driving lights. Being wrong in a case like this is grounds for a lawsuit for loss of use.

[polakatl]

I think you guys are going about this the wrong way. If the LEO pulls you over and asks about a jammer, you say " I dont understand what you are asking officer?" If he bothers to explain what he is asking about, You tell the LEO that you have no such thing. When and if he finds the jammer heads and says what is this, then you tell the LEO its a parking sensor. If the LEO asks why you need that on the front, You tell the LEO that you have a small garage and you have to pull the car in close to the wall and you fear of paint damage.

At this point you have told the LEO what he/she wanted to know and the friendliness stops. Remember the LEO is not your friend, his/her job is to make arrests. If the LEO asks to search, don’t let the LEO search your car for privacy reasons. If the LEO has cause for a search he/she will not ask for permission to search and just go and do a search. The LEO’s suspicion is not cause and that’s the only reason the LEO would ask for your permission to search. The burden of proof is on the LEO and not you, don’t help the LEO bust you. If you were a cop would you chance the idea of being wrong, after having someone’s car towed and impounded because you seen jammer heads? After all the paper work to find out that it is a parking sensor or a set of cheap driving lights. Being wrong in a case like this is grounds for a lawsuit for loss of use.

Thats good advice. Another thing that could be useful is blaming your quick braking on that radar detector thats hanging in the windshield. Since most states allow RD's it should be the first thing to say if the LEO is suspicious about the whole encounter. Most of them like to think that RD's are completely useless so they should channel all their anger to that device on the windshield.

[Aoshi]

Both RD's and jammers are illegal here, and the law gives the officer permission to search the vehicle if "They have reasonable grounds to beleive the vehicle contains or is equipt with a speed measuring device detector" which is defined as something that either detects radar, laser or interferes with it.

Ontario has pretty much the most inflexable stance on these things, and gives the LEO's far too much power in our Highway Traffic Act.

I had a brainstorm last night though.. I'm looking into rigging up a Linear Actuator in my bumber which would raise the heads out of site in less than 2 seconds when I hit a button in my car... I found a few that are waterproof and work in -26c weather but their a bit pricey... No promises I'll do it yet.. I gotta see if I can fit them in there..

[TSi+WRX]

I had a brainstorm last night though.. I'm looking into rigging up a Linear Actuator in my bumber which would raise the heads out of site in less than 2 seconds when I hit a button in my car... I found a few that are waterproof and work in -26c weather but their a bit pricey... No promises I'll do it yet.. I gotta see if I can fit them in there..

Such a device used to be marketed by RadarBusters.

I believe it was called the "Lift-N-Hide," and at the time, were specifically designed (sized) for the Blinders and ZR3s (front heads).

[Aoshi]

damn, wish I had of seen that.. I would have bought a jammer so long ago.

I ordered the Actuator and the controller, and a "boot" to make it weatherproof. Should have them by the weekend. For those interested robotshop.ca carries all the appropriate parts and ships anywhere international.

I figure this will require minimal welding but hopefully I'll have a working design in my car by the end of the weekend, then I'll order up the LI.

[swarga]

IMHO nothing beats Alex Roy's M5 for a stealth install of LIDAR jammer heads. Unless you knew what to look for you'd never even know they were there, and even then you wouldn't be sure.

[Eloi]

All very relevant advices given over .

I have my little one : remove all stickers that would indicate the
manufacturer , check with the distributor , some are reluctant
to keep the warranty if so , but most would agree upon explanation.

The other line is '' ah... that crap parking assistant I took from
internet ...they robbed me ....one has to be so close to work ...
nahhhhhh don't buy from internet Sir ''

As one said '' innocent till proven guilty ''