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    Default Question About VEIL & California

    OK, I have a few questions about VEIL and anti-laser systems...
    I have a SILVER '05 Ford Focus ZX4 SE.

    1. Is having a Silver/White car bad when it comes to laser? Does it help the cops get a better reading or give them the ability to aim in different places other than the lights and plate?

    2. I see cars around town have blacked-out headlights and tail-lights. Would this significantly help in protection from laser?

    3. I saw in another post that Anti-Radar & Anti-Laser (Jammers on both) are illegal in California. What is the penialty of being caught in California with one? (Avg Price, Jail time, etc..)

    Thanks!

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    Hi N3T,

    I too drive a white geo prizm 96, and i have asked the question whether the white color of my car would allow for more reflectivity. The answer most people gave me in my post was yes.

    http://www.radardetector.net/Stealth...Pics-1534t.php

    white car color does reflect more than black or darker colors.
    I am thinking about either coloring the front of the car black and
    leaving the back white, or a black car bra would also help as well.

    I also wanted to know, if lets say we do get a bra for the car, which only
    covers a small part of the hood, what happens to the rest of the hood
    (near the windsheild), is it going to be vulnerable to laser, or does the
    cosine angle play a role in this and the cops do not target the part of the
    hood next to the windshield?

    The only crappy thing i hear with car bra's is that they need maintanance.
    If you don't clean them weekly, your paint job on your car will go to
    Sh*t.

    I am still interested to know what others will advise on this too.

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    Turn a flashlight on your car at night and whatever shines the brightest is the best location to shoot laser if you are a cop. I wouldn't worry about your hood near the windshield because they are not trained to aim their laser guns there. Remember, they aim for your front plate, then your headlights or foglights. If you are one of the unfortunate people that has a lot of chrome, then that will also be an aiming point for cops.

    White or silver are the worst colors when it comes to cops shooting you with laser. As far as blacked out lights, I would guess that the darker your taillights and headlights, the harder it would be to get a reading but that is just an educated guess.

    This is the only thing I could find on Ca laser jammer laws:

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/wa...ction=retrieve

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiGeAsYgUy
    Turn a flashlight on your car at night and whatever shines the brightest is the best location to shoot laser if you are a cop. I wouldn't worry about your hood near the windshield because they are not trained to aim their laser guns there. Remember, they aim for your front plate, then your headlights or foglights. If you are one of the unfortunate people that has a lot of chrome, then that will also be an aiming point for cops.

    White or silver are the worst colors when it comes to cops shooting you with laser. As far as blacked out lights, I would guess that the darker your taillights and headlights, the harder it would be to get a reading but that is just an educated guess.

    This is the only thing I could find on Ca laser jammer laws:

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/wa...ction=retrieve

    Thank you both for responding. I tried pulling up that law and it wouldn't budge, do you by chance remember the veh code that the law was under?

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    Although the head light/tail light covers may filter light in the visible spectrum they may not do anything for light in the NIR/IR area of the spectrum. Look at an IR port on a laptop or a TV remote control. A lot of those have dark "tinted" plastic covers that filter out almost all visibe light but the obviously don't filter out the light from the IR diode or else the port/remote wouldn't work very well.

    So, those covers may or may not do anything to reduce the car's NIR reflectivity. You'd have to test them to know for sure. Either that or coat them in Veil or paint them flat black and remove them at night.

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    CALIFORNIA CODES
    VEHICLE CODE
    SECTION 28150

    28150. (a) No vehicle shall be equipped with any device that is
    designed for, or is capable of, jamming, scrambling, neutralizing,
    disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other
    electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the
    speed of moving objects.
    (b) No person shall use, buy, possess, manufacture, sell, or
    otherwise distribute any device that is designed for jamming,
    scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with
    radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law
    enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.
    (c) Except as provided in subdivision (d), a violation of
    subdivision (a) or (b) is an infraction.
    (d) When a person possesses four or more devices in violation of
    subdivision (b), the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
    (e) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has a
    valid federal license for operating the devices described in this
    section may transport one or more of those devices if the license is
    carried in the vehicle transporting the device at all times when the
    device is being transported.

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    Great, f'ing california. That law basically says that anything that makes the signal screw up, they can nail you for. That means VEIL, Blinder, LaserShield, etc.. I hate california...

    PS: Anyone have any spare rooms where everything is legal? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N3T_K1LLA
    Great, f'ing california. That law basically says that anything that makes the signal screw up, they can nail you for. That means VEIL, Blinder, LaserShield, etc.. I hate california...

    PS: Anyone have any spare rooms where everything is legal? LOL.
    I wouldn't consider Veil a "device" so that could be a loophole but I might be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiGeAsYgUy
    Quote Originally Posted by N3T_K1LLA
    Great, f'ing california. That law basically says that anything that makes the signal screw up, they can nail you for. That means VEIL, Blinder, LaserShield, etc.. I hate california...

    PS: Anyone have any spare rooms where everything is legal? LOL.
    I wouldn't consider Veil a "device" so that could be a loophole but I might be wrong.
    I second that. You would never get in trouble with Veil. How would a cop know that it's laser absorbant coating? For all he knows that's how the car was made. I would buy the Veil.

    Chris

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    can VEIL be applied to the license plate or would that be noticed? I should take my vacation time, drive to seathy's house and have him put it on lol.

 

 

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