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    Default More testing copied plates w/pics

    I decided to go and use the photocopied plate and combine it with veil this time. The results were awesome (at least i think so).

    Here are the tests:

    http://gaicccp.coconia.net/geo_prizm...hotoplates.htm

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    wow, awsome result, that thing must work great.

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    That is a great home cooked test. Well done.

    I'll get myself some of this stuff soon but here in Oz, it illegal to use any front plate but the Gov issued one. Yes, they are super reflective too.

    My plan is to paint strip it, repaint in identical matt colours & then Veil it.

    I'll paint the before & after with a laser targetting site to simulate a Lidar & post some pics too.

    Regards

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    sounds good RX. Be careful with the veil on the license plate by itself, the thing is kind of dark. I guess thin layers would work well though.

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    Default What about Tag Stickers?

    I have a question: In NC, they do not require front license plates, so if I use your method of photocopying, it would only apply for the plate in the back of the car. With that said, NC's DMV requires everyone to put these small colored stickers on the bottom right corner of the plate every year. I don't have a picture of it yet, but I will try to post it soon, unless you already know what I am talking about, I don't know if other states also have this same procedure.

    So my question is: if I use your same photocopy method on the back plate, how do I go about showing that colored sticker in case a cop decides to randomly check my tag and doesn't like what he see's?

    The plate is very reflective with the underlying metal beneath the paint. Also, I noticed something I didn't see before. In the center of the plate the DMV "stamps" a symbol of the state's seal, and this is also reflective b/c you can see the underlying metal.

    so anyways, any ideas on whether a photocopy will work? i don't think a simple black and white photocopy would be sufficient, b/c this is the back plate we are talking about, with a sticker, and the one the cop will always look at if he wants to pull you over.

    one other question, jackenloper, if your photocopy was good and looked nearly identical to the original, how come you wanted to also apply veil to the plastic cover. am i correct in assuming that paper doesn't reflect as good as a regular plate (b/c of metal)?

    and for this whole method or idea of photocopying your plate, is this intended for use against photocameras (they snap pics of your plate) or is it also intended for use against laser?? (i'm guessing this is where the veil comes into play...)

    thanks,
    mkirt007

    P.S. i forgot i don't even have a digital camera (just a really crappy cell phone excuse of a camera), so i can't even upload anything to show you guys. hopefully somebody knows what i am talking about??

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    Is it legal to photo copy your plate ?

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    If you need the stickers to be in the back of the car, just photocopy the back license plate with the stickers on it. THe photocopy will look just like your original back plate. As for the seal, as long as it is not a hologram , you are fine.

    It is still a risk to do the backplate, because that cops notice that first when they stop you. Having a fake back plate might get you into some trouble. If you really want to be safe, carry the real back plate with you in the trunk, and tell the officer that you are using the photocopy because you had your real plate stolen before in NY (i used to live there for 8 year, good old brooklyn).

    The stickers that you're talking about are registration stickers right? In that case, they will photocopy beautifully with the original plate.

    A simple black and white photocopy will not work. Go to fedex kinko's or another professional mailing/brochure making store/station. They will do a copy of your license plate for about a buck a copy (cheap as crap). Use laser printer and make sure they use photo paper. I found out that regular A-4 paper gave me more of a reflective surface than regular photo paper. (weird...)

    I use this method only for laser stealth... This is a great alternative to the costly (ok... not too costly) Laser Shield plate. Not only do i eliminate the retroreflective material, but i also veil that bastard. Extra protection.

    This method will not work against the photocameras.

    It is much safer to drive with a front plate that has photocopied numbers than to drive without the plates in the front at all. This way, you know that the cop will target your license plate, and your detector can warn you there is shooting, and you can stop. If you don't have the fake plate, they will just target your lamps.

    I would suggest that you make two photocopied plates, one for the front and one for the back.... Just don't put the stickered plate in the front of the car



    Bearcat,

    I believe that it is illegal to copy the plates, but then again, who really looks at them very very carefully. as long as you do a good job with the photocopy and make sure there is no moisture getting to the paper, you are set. (you won't go to jail, or get points if you are caught).

    One more thing guys, Do not put the real plate under the paper copy plate, that will give more of a reflection off.. Just use the paper copy in between the two platic covers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackenloper
    If you need the stickers to be in the back of the car, just photocopy the back license plate with the stickers on it. THe photocopy will look just like your original back plate. As for the seal, as long as it is not a hologram , you are fine.
    ok, i am not exactly sure what a hologram is. does this mean that when you take a flash picture, this part lights up in the center of the plate? if so, then maybe i DO have a hologram, not totally sure.
    It is still a risk to do the backplate, because that cops notice that first when they stop you. Having a fake back plate might get you into some trouble. If you really want to be safe, carry the real back plate with you in the trunk, and tell the officer that you are using the photocopy because you had your real plate stolen before in NY (i used to live there for 8 year, good old brooklyn).
    this is a good excuse, i will have to remember that one.
    The stickers that you're talking about are registration stickers right? In that case, they will photocopy beautifully with the original plate.
    A simple black and white photocopy will not work. Go to fedex kinko's or another professional mailing/brochure making store/station. They will do a copy of your license plate for about a buck a copy (cheap as crap). Use laser printer and make sure they use photo paper. I found out that regular A-4 paper gave me more of a reflective surface than regular photo paper. (weird...)
    does this mean you are RECOMMENDING the A-4 photopaper, or are NOT recommending this as a choice at Kinko's? i thought that the point of this photocopy method was to make the plate appear less reflective so that laser couldnt bounce back and give the cop a reading...?
    I use this method only for laser stealth... This is a great alternative to the costly (ok... not too costly) Laser Shield plate. Not only do i eliminate the retroreflective material, but i also veil that bastard. Extra protection.
    what does "retroreflective" mean? does this mean, the laser signal is reflected back inside the cover towards the plate or something like that? if so, how is that a bad thing? in that case, the cop wouldn't get a reading, right?
    This method will not work against the photocameras.
    what if i put a photo-protector shield that RadarRoy sells on his site (instead of 2 plastic covers), and THEN VEIL'ed that sucker, would it look really bad? do you know if others have VEIL'ed the photo shield (or is called Super-Protector?) and had good/mixed results?

    Also, if I put either a photoshield or that Laser shield cover instead just 2 plastic sheets, would this be just as effective as VEIL'ing the plastic sheets like you have done? or would this be a bit overkill and therefore unnecessary?
    It is much safer to drive with a front plate that has photocopied numbers than to drive without the plates in the front at all. This way, you know that the cop will target your license plate, and your detector can warn you there is shooting, and you can stop. If you don't have the fake plate, they will just target your lamps.
    I would suggest that you make two photocopied plates, one for the front and one for the back.... Just don't put the stickered plate in the front of the car
    and i don't see ANY front NC plates on any cars around here, and i don't remember people ever doing that in the past either, so that means there is no need for me to make another photocopy for the front since its not even regulated over here, and would look weird and probably cause a distraction.
    Bearcat,

    I believe that it is illegal to copy the plates, but then again, who really looks at them very very carefully. as long as you do a good job with the photocopy and make sure there is no moisture getting to the paper, you are set. (you won't go to jail, or get points if you are caught).

    One more thing guys, Do not put the real plate under the paper copy plate, that will give more of a reflection off.. Just use the paper copy in between the two platic covers.
    are you sure about that? is this legal (or not technically illegal) in all 50 States or just maybe where you live?
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    WOW, sorry for the really LONG post. :shock: just trying to get ALL my questions off my chest in one sitting without making a thousand posts and forgetting what I want to ask altogether.

    thanks,
    mkirt007

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    When i say hologram, i am talking about a special little signature on the license plate, like a logo, that you can only see at a certain angle. If you look at it straight, you won't see it, but if you look at it at a certain angle, it lights up. They do that to certain plates to keep them legit.

    I am recommending using their standard A-4 photocopy paper that they use in their photocopy machines.... as weird as it is... even though it is "photo" paper, it is less reflective than regular A-4 "printer paper". If you want, experiment with this, try out different papers that they have and see which one gives you the least glare/reflection.

    Retroreflective material is evil on license plates. It magnifies your plate reflectivity over 10 times, and allows the officer to shoot you with laser from over 1000 feet with ease. Also, when shot with laser on the retroreflective material, the laser will return to the officers gun at the exact angle it was shot from. Retroreflective is also used on road signs... Notice how if you drive in the night on a dark street, in the distance, the stop sign, or the yeild sign is the first thing that you see because it reflects like a mother...

    I wanted to also put the super protector and veil it, but people on this board advised not to do that. Some thing about not enough light passing for the diffraction of the license plate... (do a search on the board here...)
    Plus, you will get a lot of attention from cops if they are riding your a$$ behind you..

    I think it is unnecessary, even though i have not done punchthrough tests on this. First of all, the two plastic covers will cost you about 2-3 bucks each... they will already be cut out and ready for installation on your car..
    Laser shield is about 20 bucks by itself , and photoprotector... well thats up to you to put. Personally, I just used two plastic covers.

    Front plate i would have to say is important unless you have Blinder. Its a distraction area for the cops... Think about it this way... You want them to shoot your license plate. Why? because you have modified it so that it will not give them a reading right away. This way, you will have a couple of seconds to hit the brakes and slow down in time. If you don't have the license plate, they will just shoot your head lights. Even if you veil the headlights, they will still be a bit more reflective than the photocopied license plate. Plus, if they shoot your head lights, the chances of your detector picking up the shot is less. Therefore I say... the front is important. Its the plate you want them to hit first.


    Legality issues?
    No. I don't think it is legal anywhere. If it would be, people all over america would do this. Some people would also change the numbers on the photocopied plate and drive thru ez-pass and never pay.

    But... We are not criminals here, and we don't do that stuff. All we want is a bit of peace in our minds when driving on the roads. Its a risk... just like having a radar detector. Its a counter-measure against traffic cops.

    Legal? I would say no, but its a small trick that even if you got caught with it, would not land you in trouble (I hope..).

    If you do a good job on making this cover water -proof, you should be more than fine on the streets.

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    ok, so the Super Protector + VEIL = BAD IDEA= cop magnet

    and as the for the hologram, i went back outside to check, and you were right. when you are standing like 4 feet away, you cannot see it. but as you kneel down and look at it from an angle, you DO see it. So YES i DO have a hologram. mine looks like relatively small circles, sitting on top of eachother, located in the center of the plate, that say "NC 01" in each circle, which must be some code or something.

    so i guess this WILL pose a big problem for photocopying. :x

    you said you paid $2-$3 for each plastic sheet, where did you say you got them, Home Depot? and how did you seal them so that if it rains, the photocopy sheet doesn't get ruined, with Caulk or something?

    and what about the holes for the screws? i don't even know what size screws fit into my license, can i just take the screws with me to the store and have those guys drill holes into both plastic covers?

    and how big are your plastic covers with respect to your photocopy? and how thick?? did you use plexiglass or something?

    see, my problem is, even if i decide to go through with this and ignore the hologram issue, we still get issued those registration stickers. i ALSO think they will show up nicely on the photocopy, BUT that means I would have to make a new photocopy EVERY YEAR when a new sticker is issued to me thru the mail. If I used 2 plastic plates to cover the photocopy and then sealed it with silicone or something, wouldn't it be too much trouble to unseal it, risk scratching the plastic and put the new photocopy in and then finally reseal it.

    my goal is to just find one final solution that i don't have to re-do every year (with the exception of that sticker).

    the reason i asked about the laser cover (which you says is retro-reflective, a BAD thing for us against Photoradar) is that I thought these pre-made plastic covers would be better sealed against rain or other weather.

 

 

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