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    hi guys.
    i have a boxster and am planning on buying valentine 1 but from what i've been reading on this site i need some laser protection especially since it seems new york state uses a lot of laser.

    i really don't want to use the veil on my headlights because
    1) the car is leased and i am afraid to do permanent damage.
    2) my car is really pretty, especially those headlights. the veil seems like it might make it not-so pretty?
    or am i wrong?

    i was thinking of buying the laser shield and the valentine 1. would that be a decent plan?

    also i sprayed that photo blocker stuff on my plates. would it make a difference if i put the laser shield or veil over it?

    i really don't want to spend the dough right now on laser jammers since i'm gonna get the valentine.

    also, does the valentine stay nice & secure in the car? would i have to worry about i flying out of my drop top?

    any advice appreciated.

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    The V1 is a heavy unit, for the most part it is very stable, if it does fall its going to fall in your car, not out the top. My car is also a lease which is why i don't use the veil on my car, you just got to hope to get lucky i guess and hope the laser bounces off another car and your V1 picks it up. If you add a shield with veil it would of course help, but the plate covers are illegal in NY, and if you every drive into the city the little Hindu ticket guys will give you a ticket every time for it.... not really worth it.

    IMHO if you speed hard you will get caught even if you have a blocker radar detector veil, laser shield. i think the V1 is enough to save you a majority of the time, the other half of the time should be on your own instincts as a driver...

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    From what I can tell, the Veil isn't going to damage your headlights any...in fact, by providing a surface coating, they might even provide a small amount of protection...but it certainly looks bad. I got it on my headlights almost perfectly evenly, and it looks like the headlights are just really old and fogged.

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    five to one: i know all about those hindu ticket guys i didn't realize that the laser shield is so apparent. i assumed it was a clear covering.

    jds - why do you say pop is poop? i'm not too familiar with all this stuff.

    thanks for the help, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac201
    jds - why do you say pop is poop? i'm not too familiar with all this stuff.
    I didn't say it

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    It is clear but it gives a little sun reflection and they always look for that stuff..... losers.

    You wouldn't want to make your new porche have ugly dirty looking headlights, just get a decent laser jammer. You can go with a laser shield if you don't park your car outside, i park my car in a garage so those fu ckers cant touch my car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac201
    jds - why do you say pop is poop? i'm not too familiar with all this stuff.
    It definitely would serve useful for you to find out if POP is used in your area - but please remember that this scenario is more complicated than just knowing:

    For me, the POP problem is two-fold.

    First: is there POP-enabled hardware in your area?

    And second, more importantly: is POP actually being actively USED?

    Just because the hardware is available doesn't mean that it's used. There's proof of this even locally where I live - a near-by township owns the equipment and their officers are trained for it, but, thanks to the ride-along that a fellow Forum member took, it was noted that they confessed to simply never bothering to use that function.

    Unfortunately, the only way to really know whether the second concern is valid would be to verify, through a primary source, whether or not POP is in-use. This can understandably be difficult.

    Even if you/your detector witnessed a "first POP, then K/Ka-band burst" scenario - even if someone was pulled-over - which *should* be indicative of a true-POP-use based enforcement scenario, you STILL cannot know for-sure, 100%, if POP was actually used. .

    There's simply no way that you can prove it wasn't a false-positive from I/O.

    Similarly, note that while having a tandem-vehicle, dual detector scenario (i.e. one car with POP-off, other with POP-on) would rule-out false positives, it cannot conclusively rule-out a false negative (i.e. neither detector reporting POP, but POP actually being used).

    The only way, with current technology, to truly ascertain whether POP is in use is to visually identify the equipment, then have a confession from its operator whether POP was used at the moment it was detected on your detector.

    As-such, with these difficulties in-mind, you have to evaluate your own risk-benefit ratio.

    With my x50 Rev5, with POP enabled, I do get POP falses. They're annoying, and, to an extent, they also make me somewhat desensitized to the alerts. The former is bad and the latter even worse, as it erodes my trust/confidence in the detector.

    For nearly 3 yearsd, I kept my x50 POP-enabled because there are surrounding locales with POP-enabled equipment in-circulation. I unfortunately cannot rule-out, positively, their use, so I'd taken it upon myself to be more cautions - although I'd always debating the true value of my practice, given the falses.

    More recently, though, I've changed my mind about this.

    I now run with POP-detection disabled.

    Why?

    I've judged that chances of me actually catching POP on my Rev5 x50 - even if it *is* truly being being used - based on the GOL testing of both past and present x50 units, is, I think, rather slim.

    This, combined with the fact that I drive in an increasing densely urban area where POP falsing is an ever-present and persistent problem, has made me think twice about running with POP enabled on my detector.

    To me, the constant falsing did nothing but to make me start to "lose faith" in my detector - and that's *never* a good thing.

    I'm not saying that you should or should not run POP-detection on your detector. The V1, with POP enabled, for example, was able to pick up most of the POP alerts. But even then, one must contend with POP-falses.

    I'm just trying to point out both sides of the problem - and hope that you will make an informed decision based on the facts of the situation. There's pros and cons either way, you've simply got to evaluate your unique situation, and see what works best for you.

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    Cliff's Notes version:

    Don't enable POP alert unless you can verify with CERTAINTY that will encounter POP enforcement in your primary-travel area/routes.

    If POP enforcement is a "possibility," then evaluate the risk-to-benefit ratio carefully, and take into account both the annoyance of POP falsing (which can be anything from other detectors, I/O K/Ka band, or even "the planets being in just the right alignment" - yes, it's that bad) as well as the fact that the more your detector falses, the more you will become accustomed to such falses and will become de-tuned to the detector's alerts (in effect, you'll start to "lose trust" in your detector - there are many instances noted here on these Forums of where even "veterans" have ignored their detectors, to their regret later).

    I can't tell you what to do.

    I can only present the full story, and let you decide.

    Don't think that somehow enabling POP will magically protect you. Even top-flight detectors have trouble detecting POP reliably, and there's always "regular" I/O to worry about, too. Also, there's no detector that will reliably filter-out POP-falses - remember that your end-user confidence-in-equipment is a big factor in usage proficiency.

    On the other hand, also don't think: "POP will never happen to me." There's simply no good way to confirm this unless you have privileged information or have a truly visual *and* verbal confirmation from the citing officer.

    As a result, I humbly believe that using either assertion as the basis of your detector-usage practices is NEVER the right way to approach this.

    Review the risks and benefits, know the reasons. Make the decision yourself, based on the facts presented and your personal preferences.

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    The new X50 seems to false much less on POP
    I have had a POP alert only once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadr
    The new X50 seems to false much less on POP
    I have had a POP alert only once.
    ^ I'm willing to bet that this could definitely be true.


    Given the amount of POP-falsing that I see in urban areas with my Rev5, I would think that Escort would make some revisions in this area.

    However, in-light of the very, very poor performance by the current-revision x50 in the POP portion of the latest GOL testing, I can't help but wonder if they haven't decided that it's just easier to further decrease sensitivity in this area, instead of working to truly improve the product. :cry:

    Where I live and where I chiefly commute, enabling POP on my Rev5 x50 is simply not feasible, especially since I value a decently quiet ride, and more importantly, maintaining that all-important "trust-in-equipment" quotient.

 

 

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