Veil up North

[FamilyMan]

My first can of Veil arrived last week, and after reading the instructions, decided to try applying it to my clear license plate cover in front (which is polycarbonate) and headlights. I have a 2006 Honda Accord EX.

Problem is, I was living dangerously. I live in Connecticut, sadly, very close to Newtown , and the outside temperature was around 45 (close enough to 50, I thought). The stuff went on great (I thought), but of course, the temp dropped overnight, even in the detached garage. Over the first 3-4 days since I applied it, the film has turned milky white in some places, and the plate was completely obscured. The headlights look a little better, but they still have white splotches on them.

I took ammonia to the plate cover, and this weekend, I'll finish removing it with more ammonia, rubbing alcohol and water.

My question is this... for those of us who live up North, what options do we have for applying Veil successfully between November and April? The stuff's expensive enough that I'd rather not experiment any more.

My first thought was ROAD TRIP. Drive to Miami, apply it there, and drive back to CT. As much as I'd like to do that, I just can't make it happen.

Any suggestions?

[fire65]

My first question is are you running other laser protection, or just relying on Veil? Read many horror stories on its application and trying to remove. Most seem to have better luck air brushing it on.
FROM what I have read, which is a lot, Veil alone will not help to much. It will enhance other laser jammers.

[North Alabama]

Try to turn on the lights for short lenghts of time to keep the covers warm, not hot. It is a shame that companies will make half truth claims leading people into buying their products. A clean car with a normal clear coat will shine like the headlight clusters or even the front plate for a Lidar can get a reading just about anywhere anytime within normal reading distance with/without veil or a plate cover (only a flat black bra would help on that area with a wedge front end auto). All Veil does is just help to reduce the returned signal strength for a jammer to jam to the gun without a puch thru. New lidar guns are hight tech now and can get a reading on just about anything plus with an Escort Rd, the alarm is not going to be fast enough (if it can pick it up) nor the driver. If one hopes for a very long distance away Lidar hit save, Veil might help but it has been tested and everybody reports that they got a reading everytime with or with out veil with no jammers. But it's ones money and head light covers that they are messing up....

[FamilyMan]

Try to turn on the lights for short lenghts of time to keep the covers warm, not hot. It is a shame that companies will make half truth claims leading people into buying their products. A clean car with a normal clear coat will shine like the headlight clusters or even the front plate for a Lidar can get a reading just about anywhere anytime within normal reading distance with/without veil or a plate cover (only a flat black bra would help on that area with a wedge front end auto). All Veil does is just help to reduce the returned signal strength for a jammer to jam to the gun without a puch thru. New lidar guns are hight tech now and can get a reading on just about anything plus with an Escort Rd, the alarm is not going to be fast enough (if it can pick it up) nor the driver. If one hopes for a very long distance away Lidar hit save, Veil might help but it has been tested and everybody reports that they got a reading everytime with or with out veil with no jammers. But it's ones money and head light covers that they are messing up....

Well, this is disappointing. I watched a couple of Radar Roy's videos with the Veil Guy, particularly one in which Radar Roy demonstrates that a car with only Veil on the headlights and no jammer was able to avoid being targeted by a LIDAR gun. It was a Shelby Mustang, as I recall, driven by Veil Guy himself. Roy even said the words "jam to gun" at the end of the video. I trusted that information, bought a can from RadarBusters, and now wish I could test it myself. I don't have a LIDAR gun, so I can't, but it is disappointing that others have found Veil ineffective. I would have expected a caveat or something in the video, a version of "your mileage may vary."

I'm not interested in investing in a Laser Interceptor or other jamming device (not necessary, according to Veil Guy, and I can't afford it anyway), so I guess I just wasted $100. If Veil was even effective at reducing the range of a LIDAR gun to 300-400 feet, I'd be happy.

So much for "truth in advertising." Very disappointing...

[North Alabama]

If you look at the advertisements, is NOW states only at distances of more than 1300 ft (under that the signal is reduced it claims, but lidar distance is around 1800 ft), and that is aiming at the head light cluster or plate. By chance, if the Leo does not get a reading, he will move the aim to somewhere else. Then will your Rd alarm, good luck there too! GOL did a test with a V1 and was able to reduce the lock on reading speed allowing a few mph drop in the lidar display. Go the the Guys of Lidar web site and look under one of their lidar test, it is in there but the problem that they do not tell you the distance away from the gun for that is the catch there plus you have to have a fast reaction (be ready with a V1). I don't even think plate covers will work like they imply? But, hey, one might get lucky, never know for sure. Sorry, it is not your fault that you were mislead for alot of others have bought into such things which is common in this field, but then again, there is a chance you might get lucky. If you need lidar protection, LIs is the answer with HP in second. If you have other jammers, do get veil for you need it also plus some....

[Darkhonda]

Well, this is disappointing. I watched a couple of Radar Roy's videos with the Veil Guy, particularly one in which Radar Roy demonstrates that a car with only Veil on the headlights and no jammer was able to avoid being targeted by a LIDAR gun. It was a Shelby Mustang, as I recall, driven by Veil Guy himself. Roy even said the words "jam to gun" at the end of the video. I trusted that information, bought a can from RadarBusters, and now wish I could test it myself. I don't have a LIDAR gun, so I can't, but it is disappointing that others have found Veil ineffective. I would have expected a caveat or something in the video, a version of "your mileage may vary."

I'm not interested in investing in a Laser Interceptor or other jamming device (not necessary, according to Veil Guy, and I can't afford it anyway), so I guess I just wasted $100. If Veil was even effective at reducing the range of a LIDAR gun to 300-400 feet, I'd be happy.

So much for "truth in advertising." Very disappointing...

I just thought I would chime in here, I have a BEL-995 and veil applied to my car no LI or other jammers and I can say laser warnings before Veil were only about 2secs (that time i assumed they had me locked and descion made), now after Veil for about 1 year and about 16 laser hits my laser warning is about 10-15sec depending on road/weather. It's not a scientific study as I have never stopped to ask the cop if they got a reading but the rusults are a clear 15-0 victory over speeding tickets.

[North Alabama]

....I have a BEL-995 and veil applied to my car no LI or other jammers and I can say laser warnings before Veil were only about 2secs (that time i assumed they had me locked and descion made), now after Veil for about 1 year and about 16 laser hits my laser warning is about 10-15sec depending on road/weather. It's not a scientific study as I have never stopped to ask the cop if they got a reading but the rusults are a clear 15-0 victory over speeding tickets......

I'm glad that you are having success! Sounds like you a doing better than the GOL test. I have several questions. How much over the psl were you going at these times? How do you know that you were the target, number of autos in front of you? Any close in shots? How far out? What type of lidar was it? How old is the unit? What type of auto front end, small, angled, dirty, color, front tag? Veil applied where? What other countermeasures taking on the auto's front?......What ever you are doing, everybody else that has jammers (even those with non top jammers (and use veil) and still get tagged) should do what you are doing! Please tell us for this is the first that I have ever heard of Veil working persay. All of the threads posted everywhere where Veil was used, the lidar got a reading by the gunner! Please inform for we might learn something new!.......There is one post where the gunner got a reading normal reading @1500, @1300 with veil on HL/Tag cover and @100 with full stealth but did not say what gun was used. Another post stated that he had no problem getting a reading with Veil on the HL.. Dr. Coke stated that he got auto readings @1500, but his auto with Veil reduced it to @1000. The famous Craig's test with Laser Atlanta was @1878/Veil HL @1299, Pro Laser III @2126/ Veil HL @1299 and Stalker 1005/ Veil HL @715 but stated that at times the reading was delayed- hope?....Then there is the question of a RD going off with a lidar hit. One test showed that with a low aim, no Rd saw the lidar. On the V1, with it's great lidar detection, could see lidar through anothers car glass reflected.....Again, please let us know your secrets for I might by some!

[Darkhonda]

....I have a BEL-995 and veil applied to my car no LI or other jammers and I can say laser warnings before Veil were only about 2secs (that time i assumed they had me locked and descion made), now after Veil for about 1 year and about 16 laser hits my laser warning is about 10-15sec depending on road/weather. It's not a scientific study as I have never stopped to ask the cop if they got a reading but the rusults are a clear 15-0 victory over speeding tickets......

I'm glad that you are having success! Sounds like you a doing better than the GOL test. I have several questions. How much over the psl were you going at these times? How do you know that you were the target, number of autos in front of you? Any close in shots? How far out? What type of lidar was it? How old is the unit? What type of auto front end, small, angled, dirty, color, front tag? Veil applied where? What other countermeasures taking on the auto's front?......What ever you are doing, everybody else that has jammers (even those with non top jammers (and use veil) and still get tagged) should do what you are doing! Please tell us for this is the first that I have ever heard of Veil working persay. All of the threads posted everywhere where Veil was used, the lidar got a reading by the gunner! Please inform for we might learn something new!.......There is one post where the gunner got a reading normal reading @1500, @1300 with veil on HL/Tag cover and @100 with full stealth but did not say what gun was used. Another post stated that he had no problem getting a reading with Veil on the HL.. Dr. Coke stated that he got auto readings @1500, but his auto with Veil reduced it to @1000. The famous Craig's test with Laser Atlanta was @1878/Veil HL @1299, Pro Laser III @2126/ Veil HL @1299 and Stalker 1005/ Veil HL @715 but stated that at times the reading was delayed- hope?....Then there is the question of a RD going off with a lidar hit. One test showed that with a low aim, no Rd saw the lidar. On the V1, with it's great lidar detection, could see lidar through anothers car glass reflected.....Again, please let us know your secrets for I might by some!

Like I said, I have been very satisfied with my application, but I am not in comms with the man behind the gun so I dont know what his readings are, i just know I havent been pulled over yet.

let me try to answer some of those questions... how much over PSL; I normally cruise at ~78/65.
target/number of cars around; some cops like to profile their targets, and lowered hondas draw the short stick often. given my speed i normally am out in front of packs (right lane as often as possible [see law of cosines]).
Shot distance; Id rough guess 1-2k ft on flat straght parts, less when they are around a bend. [most laser warnings I get are just about the same time i see the cop, the only difference I am seeing is time on target, as i described before. ]
Type/Age of Lidar; No idea, not sticking around to find out.
Car is a little black civic with front tag (smoked covers), not the most wedge profile but not a toaster (xB) either.
Veil is my only countermeasure to date, applied to headlights only.

I am aware of the limitations of RD picking up lidar, and im sure that I dont get a warning as soon as gun is on me, but as I said, ive been using the alerts to monitor how long gun is on me, not if. and that has clearly gone up.

[SHOtime2511]

Well, this is disappointing. I watched a couple of Radar Roy's videos with the Veil Guy, particularly one in which Radar Roy demonstrates that a car with only Veil on the headlights and no jammer was able to avoid being targeted by a LIDAR gun. It was a Shelby Mustang, as I recall, driven by Veil Guy himself. Roy even said the words "jam to gun" at the end of the video. I trusted that information, bought a can from RadarBusters, and now wish I could test it myself. I don't have a LIDAR gun, so I can't, but it is disappointing that others have found Veil ineffective. I would have expected a caveat or something in the video, a version of "your mileage may vary."

I'm not interested in investing in a Laser Interceptor or other jamming device (not necessary, according to Veil Guy, and I can't afford it anyway), so I guess I just wasted $100. If Veil was even effective at reducing the range of a LIDAR gun to 300-400 feet, I'd be happy.

So much for "truth in advertising." Very disappointing...

That video is very misleading to say the least.

[Darkhonda]

....I have a BEL-995 and veil applied to my car no LI or other jammers and I can say laser warnings before Veil were only about 2secs (that time i assumed they had me locked and descion made), now after Veil for about 1 year and about 16 laser hits my laser warning is about 10-15sec depending on road/weather. It's not a scientific study as I have never stopped to ask the cop if they got a reading but the rusults are a clear 15-0 victory over speeding tickets......

I'm glad that you are having success! Sounds like you a doing better than the GOL test. I have several questions. How much over the psl were you going at these times? How do you know that you were the target, number of autos in front of you? Any close in shots? How far out? What type of lidar was it? How old is the unit? What type of auto front end, small, angled, dirty, color, front tag? Veil applied where? What other countermeasures taking on the auto's front?......What ever you are doing, everybody else that has jammers (even those with non top jammers (and use veil) and still get tagged) should do what you are doing! Please tell us for this is the first that I have ever heard of Veil working persay. All of the threads posted everywhere where Veil was used, the lidar got a reading by the gunner! Please inform for we might learn something new!.......There is one post where the gunner got a reading normal reading @1500, @1300 with veil on HL/Tag cover and @100 with full stealth but did not say what gun was used. Another post stated that he had no problem getting a reading with Veil on the HL.. Dr. Coke stated that he got auto readings @1500, but his auto with Veil reduced it to @1000. The famous Craig's test with Laser Atlanta was @1878/Veil HL @1299, Pro Laser III @2126/ Veil HL @1299 and Stalker 1005/ Veil HL @715 but stated that at times the reading was delayed- hope?....Then there is the question of a RD going off with a lidar hit. One test showed that with a low aim, no Rd saw the lidar. On the V1, with it's great lidar detection, could see lidar through anothers car glass reflected.....Again, please let us know your secrets for I might by some!

Im not really sure what happened but i wrote a reply to this last week that isnt showing up so here it is (kinda) again..

How much over the psl ? normal cruise at 78/65.
targeting/number of cars around? normally at those speeds i end up in front of most groups, but I do maintain right lane as much as possible (see law of cosines)
Shot distance? all shots were of a normaly distance.. ~1-2k ft. just far enough that I see them before the alert goes off but like I said before my view of success with Veil is based on how long my detector is alarming (i.e. longer time for LEO to get locked)
My car? Small black honda, veil on headlights, front tag with smoked cover.
other countermeasures? none so far. my system is currently alert only for laser, still saving for the LI.

I have never stopped to ask the LEO if it was hard to lock on to me (maybe i can convince my Sherriff deputy friend to help me out with that) but I do know that the amount of time my RD has been alerting to laser has significantly increased, and that to me means they are not locked in.