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    Post Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redflex

    Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redflex Starts Serving Drinks, They're the Wrong Signs

    By James King in Speed Camera Pit Stop
    Mon., Dec. 14 2009 @ 1:01PM
    ​Redflex, the company responsible for the widely unpopular speed-cameras that, um, patrol Valley roads, has banned guns in its downtown Phoenix offices -- probably not a bad decision considering the company is in the business of pissing off motorists on a daily basis.

    However, unless Redflex has a killer margarita recipe, or is opening a buffet sometime soon, it put up the wrong signs.

    Camerafraud.com, a Web site devoted to putting an end to photo-enforcement cameras, reports seeing signs posted at every entrance of Redflex's Phoenix offices that cite ARS 4-229 -- the bill that allows people to bring guns into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

    ARS 4-229 specifies that the sign must be posted "immediately adjacent to the liquor license posted on the licensed premises."

    As far as we can tell, Redflex doesn't have a liquor license.

    The signs that Redflex has posted on all of its entrances were made for bar and restaurant owners who don't want guns on their property -- not for run-of-the-mill businesses.

    Redflex hasn't returned our call but here are some photos, compliments of Camerafraud.com.

    Under Arizona law, all businesses have the right to prohibit guns on their property, but the ones Redflex plastered all over their entrances are specific to bars and restaurants.

    So what's the big deal with the Redflex signs? Camerafraud.com says it best: "It's disturbing to see that DP$ is in bed with a company that tries to enforce laws that they don't fully understand."

    Hear, hear.
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    Default Re: Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redf

    Didn't one of their camera Guys get shot recently.... I guess they should be scared... However, if you were really upholding the law then they should have nothing to worry about.

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    Default Re: Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redf

    Quote Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    Didn't one of their camera Guys get shot recently.... I guess they should be scared... However, if you were really upholding the law then they should have nothing to worry about.
    We all understand.
    This is why the oft used acronym LEO[Leo or leo] on this forum, is unproductive, bleeding-heart,
    politically-correct fertilizer

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    Default Re: Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redf

    Quote Originally Posted by OldGoat View Post
    We all understand.
    This is why the oft used acronym LEO[Leo or leo] on this forum, is unproductive, bleeding-heart,
    politically-correct fertilizer
    Not really relevant to this thread, since Redflex is not a LEO.

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    Default Re: Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redf

    Quote Originally Posted by StlouisX50 View Post
    Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redflex Starts Serving Drinks, They're the Wrong Signs

    By James King in Speed Camera Pit Stop
    Mon., Dec. 14 2009 @ 1:01PM
    ​Redflex, the company responsible for the widely unpopular speed-cameras that, um, patrol Valley roads, has banned guns in its downtown Phoenix offices -- probably not a bad decision considering the company is in the business of pissing off motorists on a daily basis.

    However, unless Redflex has a killer margarita recipe, or is opening a buffet sometime soon, it put up the wrong signs.

    Camerafraud.com, a Web site devoted to putting an end to photo-enforcement cameras, reports seeing signs posted at every entrance of Redflex's Phoenix offices that cite ARS 4-229 -- the bill that allows people to bring guns into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

    ARS 4-229 specifies that the sign must be posted "immediately adjacent to the liquor license posted on the licensed premises."

    As far as we can tell, Redflex doesn't have a liquor license.

    The signs that Redflex has posted on all of its entrances were made for bar and restaurant owners who don't want guns on their property -- not for run-of-the-mill businesses.

    Redflex hasn't returned our call but here are some photos, compliments of Camerafraud.com.

    Under Arizona law, all businesses have the right to prohibit guns on their property, but the ones Redflex plastered all over their entrances are specific to bars and restaurants.

    So what's the big deal with the Redflex signs? Camerafraud.com says it best: "It's disturbing to see that DP$ is in bed with a company that tries to enforce laws that they don't fully understand."

    Hear, hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARIZONA STATUTES
    4-229. Licenses; handguns; posting of notice
    A. A person with a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112 or who meets the criteria specified in section 13-3102, subsection D, paragraph 1 or 2 may carry a concealed handgun on the premises of a licensee who is an on-sale retailer unless the licensee posts a sign that clearly prohibits the possession of weapons on the licensed premises. The sign shall conform to the following requirements:
    1. Be posted in a conspicuous location accessible to the general public and immediately adjacent to the liquor license posted on the licensed premises.
    2. Contain a pictogram that shows a firearm within a red circle and a diagonal red line across the firearm.
    3. Contain the words, "no firearms allowed pursuant to A.R.S. section 4-229".
    B. A person shall not carry a firearm on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer if the licensee has posted the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section.
    C. It is an affirmative defense to a violation of subsection B of this section if:
    1. The person was not informed of the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section prior to the violation.
    2. Any one or more of the following applies:
    (a) At the time of the violation the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section had fallen down.
    (b) At the time of the violation the person was not a resident of this state.
    (c) The licensee had posted the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section not more than thirty days prior to the violation.
    D. The department of liquor licenses and control shall prepare the signs required by this section and make them available at no cost to licensees.
    E. The signs required by this section shall be composed of block, capital letters printed in black on white laminated paper at a minimum weight of one hundred ten pound index. The lettering and pictogram shall consume a space at least six inches by nine inches. The letters comprising the words "no firearms allowed" shall be at least three-fourths of a vertical inch and all other letters shall be at least one-half of a vertical inch.
    F. This section does not prohibit a person who possesses a handgun from entering the licensed premises for a limited time for the specific purpose of either:
    1. Seeking emergency aid.
    2. Determining whether a sign has been posted pursuant to subsection A of this section
    Quote Originally Posted by ARIZONA STATUTES
    13-3102
    Quote Originally Posted by ARIZONA STATUTES
    . Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions
    A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
    1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or
    2. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 concealed within immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation; or
    3. Manufacturing, possessing, transporting, selling or transferring a prohibited weapon, except that if the violation involves dry ice, a person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly possessing the dry ice with the intent to cause injury to or death of another person or to cause damage to the property of another person; or
    4. Possessing a deadly weapon or prohibited weapon if such person is a prohibited possessor; or
    5. Selling or transferring a deadly weapon to a prohibited possessor; or
    6. Defacing a deadly weapon; or
    7. Possessing a defaced deadly weapon knowing the deadly weapon was defaced; or
    8. Using or possessing a deadly weapon during the commission of any felony offense included in chapter 34 of this title; or
    9. Discharging a firearm at an occupied structure in order to assist, promote or further the interests of a criminal street gang, a criminal syndicate or a racketeering enterprise; or
    10. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering any public establishment or attending any public event and carrying a deadly weapon on his person after a reasonable request by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the sponsor's agent to remove his weapon and place it in the custody of the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event for temporary and secure storage of the weapon pursuant to section 13-3102.01; or
    11. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering an election polling place on the day of any election carrying a deadly weapon; or
    12. Possessing a deadly weapon on school grounds; or
    13. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering a nuclear or hydroelectric generating station carrying a deadly weapon on his person or within the immediate control of any person; or
    14. Supplying, selling or giving possession or control of a firearm to another person if the person knows or has reason to know that the other person would use the firearm in the commission of any felony; or
    15. Using, possessing or exercising control over a deadly weapon in furtherance of any act of terrorism as defined in section 13-2301 or possessing or exercising control over a deadly weapon knowing or having reason to know that it will be used to facilitate any act of terrorism as defined in section 13-2301.
    B. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a person in his dwelling, on his business premises or on real property owned or leased by that person.
    C. Subsection A, paragraphs 1, 2, 3, 7, 10, 11, 12 and 13 of this section shall not apply to:
    1. A peace officer or any person summoned by any peace officer to assist and while actually assisting in the performance of official duties; or
    2. A member of the military forces of the United States or of any state of the United States in the performance of official duties; or
    3. A warden, deputy warden, community correctional officer, detention officer, special investigator or correctional officer of the state department of corrections or the department of juvenile corrections; or
    4. A person specifically licensed, authorized or permitted pursuant to a statute of this state or of the United States.
    D. Subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2 of this section shall not apply to:
    1. A member of a sheriff's volunteer posse or reserve organization who has received and passed firearms training that is approved by the Arizona peace officer standards and training board and who is authorized by the sheriff to carry a concealed weapon pursuant to section 11-441.
    2. A person who has honorably served as a law enforcement officer in the United States for at least ten consecutive years and who possesses a photographic identification or a letter from a law enforcement agency that states the person has served for at least ten consecutive years as a law enforcement officer in the United States. On request, the law enforcement agency that most recently employed the person or, if the person was employed outside of this state, the sheriff of the county in which the person resides shall issue a photographic identification or a letter that verifies the person meets the requirement of this paragraph.
    E. Subsection A, paragraphs 3 and 7 of this section shall not apply to:
    1. The possessing, transporting, selling or transferring of weapons by a museum as a part of its collection or an educational institution for educational purposes or by an authorized employee of such museum or institution, if:
    (a) Such museum or institution is operated by the United States or this state or a political subdivision of this state, or by an organization described in 26 United States Code section 170(c) as a recipient of a charitable contribution; and
    (b) Reasonable precautions are taken with respect to theft or misuse of such material.
    2. The regular and lawful transporting as merchandise; or
    3. Acquisition by a person by operation of law such as by gift, devise or descent or in a fiduciary capacity as a recipient of the property or former property of an insolvent, incapacitated or deceased person.
    F. Subsection A, paragraph 3 of this section shall not apply to the merchandise of an authorized manufacturer of or dealer in prohibited weapons, when such material is intended to be manufactured, possessed, transported, sold or transferred solely for or to a dealer, a regularly constituted or appointed state, county or municipal police department or police officer, a detention facility, the military service of this or another state or the United States, a museum or educational institution or a person specifically licensed or permitted pursuant to federal or state law.
    G. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
    H. Subsection A, paragraph 10 of this section shall not apply to shooting ranges or shooting events, hunting areas or similar locations or activities.
    I. Subsection A, paragraph 3 of this section shall not apply to a weapon described in section 13-3101, subsection A, paragraph 8, subdivision (a), item (v), if such weapon is possessed for the purposes of preparing for, conducting or participating in lawful exhibitions, demonstrations, contests or athletic events involving the use of such weapon. Subsection A, paragraph 12 of this section shall not apply to a weapon if such weapon is possessed for the purposes of preparing for, conducting or participating in hunter or firearm safety courses.
    J. Subsection A, paragraph 12 of this section shall not apply to the possession of a:
    1. Firearm that is not loaded and that is carried within a means of transportation under the control of an adult provided that if the adult leaves the means of transportation the firearm shall not be visible from the outside of the means of transportation and the means of transportation shall be locked.
    2. Firearm for use on the school grounds in a program approved by a school.
    K. The operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the employee of the operator or sponsor or the agent of the sponsor, including a public entity or public employee, is not liable for acts or omissions pursuant to subsection A, paragraph 10 of this section unless the operator, sponsor, employee or agent intended to cause injury or was grossly negligent.
    L. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 15 of this section is a class 2 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 9 or 14 of this section is a class 3 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 3, 4, 8 or 13 of this section is a class 4 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 12 of this section is a class 1 misdemeanor unless the violation occurs in connection with conduct that violates section 13-2308, subsection A, paragraph 5, section 13-2312, subsection C, section 13-3409 or section 13-3411, in which case the offense is a class 6 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 5, 6 or 7 of this section is a class 6 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 1, 2, 10 or 11 of this section is a class 1 misdemeanor.
    M. For the purposes of this section:
    1. "Public establishment" means a structure, vehicle or craft that is owned, leased or operated by this state or a political subdivision of this state.
    2. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.
    3. "School" means a public or nonpublic kindergarten program, common school or high school.
    4. "School grounds" means in, or on the grounds of, a school.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARIZONA STATUTES
    13-3102.01
    Quote Originally Posted by ARIZONA STATUTES
    . Storage of deadly weapons; definitions
    A. If an operator of a public establishment or a sponsor of a public event requests that a person carrying a deadly weapon remove the weapon, the operator or sponsor shall provide temporary and secure storage. The storage shall be readily accessible on entry into the establishment or event and allow for the immediate retrieval of the weapon on exit from the establishment or event.
    B. This section does not apply to the licensed premises of any public establishment or public event with a license issued pursuant to title 4.
    C. The operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the employee of the operator or sponsor or the agent of the sponsor, including a public entity or public employee, is not liable for acts or omissions pursuant to this section unless the operator, sponsor, employee or agent intended to cause injury or was grossly negligent.
    D. For the purposes of this section, "public establishment" and "public event" have the same meanings prescribed in section 13-3102.
    The real law they need to use is the one that requires that secure locker at the entrance of the facility. But most insurance companies will not allow that so then they can get you for tresspassing but only after you have been told to leave.


    Guns alone does not work.


    Jared Jewelry tried the same crap with me but I walked in asked them where I could store my weapon and then they said they had not storage so I countinued to "browse" while the rent-a-cop discussed it with a Manager on the phone with Corporate.

    In short this is not enforcable (Except by Barney and Roscoe P. Coaltrain).

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    Default Re: Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redf

    Its already illegal for a criminal to carry a gun, what good is a sign going to do?

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    Default Re: Redflex Posts Signs Banning Guns in Bars at its Phoenix Headquarters. Unless Redf

    Have the original link? This might be something equally entertaining to share with the CCW crowd.

 

 

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