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    Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines

    By FRANK JORDANS
    ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
    GENEVA -- European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.
    Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.
    Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.
    The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.
    "As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
    She said rich drivers were lightly punished until Swiss voters approved a 2007 penal law overhaul that let judges hand down fines based on personal income and wealth for moderate misdemeanors including excessive speeding and drunk driving. Before, they had to assign relatively small fixed penalties or - rarely - a few days in prison.
    The fines were traditionally insignificant for rich people, and in the rare cases where prison terms for small-time offenders were handed down, they were usually suspended anyway. And even when they were sent to jail, the deterrent was limited compared with the costs of incarceration borne by the taxpayers, officials said.
    "It wasn't about making the punishment harsher or lighter, but more sensible," Heinz Sutter, an official at the Swiss Justice Ministry, told The Associated Press.
    In the latest Swiss case, the court took into account the man's history of similar offenses, the high speed with which he drove through a small village (60 miles - or 97 kilometers - an hour, nearly twice the 30 mph (50 kph limit), and his estimated personal wealth of over $20 million.
    "The accused unscrupulously and without obvious reason, probably out of pure desire for speed, used a powerful vehicle to break elementary traffic rules," the court said, noting that the man could have risked the lives of pedestrians and other drivers.
    Thomas Hansjakob, a prosecutor in the nearby city of St. Gallen, said the average driver is likely to get a more modest fine of several thousand Swiss francs (dollars).
    "I think the man in the pub will get that this guy is only paying so much because he's rich, so it won't necessarily scare off others," he said. "But this is a signal for other rich people. We've had a real problem with wealthy foreigners hiring cars and conducting races on Swiss roads."
    Last year a court sentenced six men from Hong Kong to fines of up to 95,000 francs after the men buzzed through Switzerland in hired Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins and Audis at speeds of up to 142 miles (229 kilometers) an hour.
    In a separate case, a Frenchman was fined 70,000 francs after being caught on a highway doing 151 miles (243 kilometers) an hour.
    Switzerland's Association for Transport Psychology wants authorities to place more emphasis on compulsory courses for speeders and regular reviews of their fitness to drive.
    "Our view is that ordering the drivers to take part in therapy sessions is much more effective than simply making them open their wallets," Andreas Widmer, the association's president, said.
    And the nationalist Swiss People's Party wants to reverse the 2007 penal code changes, allowing judges to once again impose short prison sentences for lesser infractions, said one of its lawmakers, Luzi Stamm.
    The current law could lead to "ridiculously low" penalties without any possibility of jail time for poor people who are caught driving drunk or speeding excessively, Stamm told the AP.
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    Default Re: Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines

    Its just more proof of the growing trend of socialism, class warfare and wealth envy creeping over the world. Traffic enforcement is an easy way to slip it in through the back door. Sad.

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    Default Re: Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines

    Quote Originally Posted by The Chariot View Post
    Its just more proof of the growing trend of socialism, class warfare and wealth envy creeping over the world. Traffic enforcement is an easy way to slip it in through the back door. Sad.
    OH NO!!!
    Here we go again!

    Won't be long before this type of BS tries to get introduced in the States by some money hungry politicians!
    Before long if this BS is taken to its logical conclusion, there'll be no rich (except politicians, bankers, trans nat'l corporate CEOs, defense contractor CEOs, government employees), everyone will be 21st century peasants!
    Welcome to the New Middle Ages!

    Hey you politician SOBes, try cutting the F'n bloated budgets for a change!
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    Default Re: Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines

    Quote Originally Posted by MOPARado View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Chariot View Post
    Its just more proof of the growing trend of socialism, class warfare and wealth envy creeping over the world. Traffic enforcement is an easy way to slip it in through the back door. Sad.
    OH NO!!!
    Here we go again!

    Won't be long before this type of BS tries to get introduced in the States by some money hungry politicians!
    Before long if this BS is taken to its logical conclusion, there'll be no rich (except politicians, bankers, trans nat'l corporate CEOs, defense contractor CEOs, government employees), everyone will be 21st century peasants!
    Welcome to the New Middle Ages!

    Hey you politician SOBes, try cutting the F'n bloated budgets for a change!
    :
    Vote all the the bas****s out!!!!

    There goal is to make the US a third world country and they are succeeding!!!
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    Default Re: Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines

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    Default Re: Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines

    Quote Originally Posted by category4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MOPARado View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Chariot View Post
    Its just more proof of the growing trend of socialism, class warfare and wealth envy creeping over the world. Traffic enforcement is an easy way to slip it in through the back door. Sad.
    OH NO!!!
    Here we go again!

    Won't be long before this type of BS tries to get introduced in the States by some money hungry politicians!
    Before long if this BS is taken to its logical conclusion, there'll be no rich (except politicians, bankers, trans nat'l corporate CEOs, defense contractor CEOs, government employees), everyone will be 21st century peasants!
    Welcome to the New Middle Ages!

    Hey you politician SOBes, try cutting the F'n bloated budgets for a change!
    :
    Vote all the the bas****s out!!!!
    There goal is to make the US a third world country and they are succeeding!!!
    This old song says it all!

    We'll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that 'they' worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgement of all wrong

    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again

    The change, it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the fold, that's all
    And the world looks just the same
    And history ain't changed
    'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    No, no!

    I'll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
    Do ya?

    There's nothing in the streets
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Are now parting on the right

    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again
    No, no!

    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss
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