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  1. #1
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    Default Super Protector Got Me Court

    So New Mexico has no laws governing the use of plate covers. As you see below the officer wrote me court date because my plates were not clearly legible from an angle (22 degrees) . The law is almost written the same way it is in AZ, here is the statue he wrote that I violated. Its hard to read but he wrote "had cover over license plate making it not elible from an angle"

    The law doesn't say any thing about angles!

    So we will see what happens, my officer friend says they will likely dismiss it and wont make me remove the plates

    66-3-18. Display of registration plates and temporary permits and plates; displays prohibited and allowed.




    A. The registration plate shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle for which it is issued; however, the registration plate shall be attached to the front of a road tractor or truck tractor. The plate shall be securely fastened at all times in a fixed horizontal position at a height of not less than twelve inches from the ground, measuring from the bottom of the plate. It shall be in a place and position so as to be clearly visible, and it shall be maintained free from foreign material and in a condition to be clearly legible.


    Shot




    B. Temporary demonstration plates and temporary permits shall be firmly affixed to the inside left rear window of the vehicle to which it is issued, unless such display presents a safety hazard or the temporary permit is not visible or readable from that position, in which case, the temporary permit shall be displayed in such a manner that it is clearly visible from the rear or left side of the vehicle.




    C. No vehicle while being operated on the highways of this state shall have displayed either on the front or the rear of the vehicle any registration plate, including tab or sticker, other than one issued or validated for the current registration period by the department or any other licensing authority having jurisdiction over the vehicle. No expired registration plate, tab or sticker shall be displayed on the vehicle other than an expired special registration plate which may be exhibited on the front of the vehicle.




    D. Nothing contained in this section shall be construed as prohibiting the use of a promotional or advertising plate on the front of the vehicle. [u]

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    Default Re: Super Protector Got Me Court

    Quote Originally Posted by NKaumans


    It shall be in a place and position so as to be clearly visible, and it shall be maintained free from foreign material and in a condition to be clearly legible.
    Well, obviously your plate is *not* free of foreign material if it has a cover over it, and it is not in a condition to be clearly legible. It is up to the police and the judge to decide what clearly means. Obviously your plate is restricted by only being viewable when looked at from a small vantage point... which makes it not as clearly legible as everyone else's plate.

    Good luck and keep us posted. But you better be prepared for a good defense.

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    My wife just got a ticket for the SuperProtector. ARS 23-2354 'obscure license plate'. She has to appear in court. Do I have any defense? I have an article from the Arizona Daily Star that the legislature will not add to the statute that license plate lens are illegal?
    I have no intention of breaking the law, I just do not want to be a victim of revenue generation by following the flow of traffic.
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks,
    Bill

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    What is your issue? Just pay the fine!

    You can't hide a f-ing plate, that should be obvious.

    Just because someone wants to make money off by selling it doesn't make it legal to use. Did you read the fine print, "Buyer assumes all responsibility for using this cover in compliance with local motor vehicle codes in their area of vehicle use."


    So pay the fine, throw that S%^t in the trash and move on.
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    I have read and re-read the ticket, and there is no mention of the fine amount. I assume I must appear.

    I know you cannot fight city hall, but because we are complacent people today and 'just pay the fine' things like photo radar and electronic police enforcement are slowing taking away our rights. I at least will present my case, my research, and try to defend myself.

    BTW, the plate is not hidden, which is the statute that I was ticketed. The lens only distorts a certain angles.

    Thnaks for your input, and have a nice day,

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by billccm
    I have read and re-read the ticket, and there is no mention of the fine amount. I assume I must appear.

    I know you cannot fight city hall, but because we are complacent people today and 'just pay the fine' things like photo radar and electronic police enforcement are slowing taking away our rights. I at least will present my case, my research, and try to defend myself.

    BTW, the plate is not hidden, which is the statute that I was ticketed. The lens only distorts a certain angles.

    Thnaks for your input, and have a nice day,

    Bill
    hid·ing, noun
    –verb (used with object) 1. to conceal from sight; prevent from being seen

    ob·scure /əbˈskyʊər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhb-skyoor] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -scur·er, -scur·est, verb, -scured, -scur·ing, noun
    –adjective 1. (of meaning) not clear or plain; ambiguous, vague, or uncertain: an obscure sentence in the contract.
    2. not clear to the understanding; hard to perceive: obscure motivations.

    So you are saying that with this plate cover it does not do any of the above when viewing the plate at an angle.

    Then contest it, otherwize be prepared to pay fine plus cour costs.

    I know what you mean about rights but this has got nothing to do with your rights, the registration of a motor vehicle is a privlage NOT a right.

    You have the RIGHT to walk down the street with mask over your face.

    Just be cool and humble. If you walk into court as a wize-ass and they will fine you up the A$$! Be sure to tell them that you found out later that it was not legal and that it costing you money from time off work so you feel you have already learned a good leason and are sorry it wont happen again, you are a good driver etc etc etc.

    Be a nice guy.
    Might just get a warning.
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    1) Remove plate covers

    2) Take pictures

    3) Appear at court with pictures

    4) Ask for a dismissal (50/50 shot)

    5) Don't put the silly covers back since you obviously won't get away with it.

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    Walmart, cheap plastic plate cover, then snap some pics, and boom... you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billccm
    My wife just got a ticket for the SuperProtector. ARS 23-2354 'obscure license plate'. She has to appear in court. Do I have any defense? I have an article from the Arizona Daily Star that the legislature will not add to the statute that license plate lens are illegal?
    I have no intention of breaking the law, I just do not want to be a victim of revenue generation by following the flow of traffic.
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks,
    Bill
    Bill - I'm going to re-post my posts from the other thread over to here, given that a> the thread owner over there asked us to and b> this thread is more suited for the topic. Hopefully that's cool with everyone, don't mean to tread on any toes.

    1st original post:

    Was it issued by DPS? I ask because I received the same ticket Saturday night from them and, as I was pulling away from the side of the road, I watched another vehicle with photo radar blocking plates get pulled over. I wonder if they're doing a big push on them or something.

    Every time I tried to say anything he cut me off. He had his spiel down pat, too. Had me stand at the side of the road and try to read my plate, which I couldn't. Told me "Ok, here's the scenario, you're being carjacked and a concerned citizen wants to help you. Unfortunately they can't read your plate so they can't tell us who to look for."

    Then, as I was about to raise the visibility from the rear (per strict letter of the law) he cut me off with "the courts have decided that clear visibility means all angles. back, left, right, top."

    To top it all off, the ticket he issued me doesn't have any indication of how much the fine is. I have to call the court to find out.

    Grrrrrr.
    2nd original post:


    I called the court (Downtown Phoenix @ 620 W Jackson, per the ticket) and talked to a helpful clerk. $90.00 is the ticket, no points on license. He said that the judges have pretty much been upholding the issued tickets and not reducing the fine in any way. He said I could try taking a photo to show that I removed the plate in hopes of reducing it but stressed that it wasn't likely the judge would be lenient. Also mentioned he sees the plates on the road all the time...

    So now I have to decide if it's worth the hassle (time off work and all that) to go try to get the $90 reduced or if I should just pay it off. I did already remove the plate from my truck, as if nothing else the yellowing of the obfuscation lens is making it more obvious that it's there. Well, that and after hours of reading (sheesh, there's my $90 right there) I see that these covers are no longer helpful in the Phoenix area, particularly the Loop 101 section.

    Hmmm, wonder if I break the cover in half and take that in with the pictures...

    Sigh.
    Just curious to hear feedback from other folks in AZ who may have experience a photo radar cover crackdown, is all. Bill replied back in the other thread that his ticket was issued by the City of Tucson, whereas mine was AZ DPS. Might be a state-wide crackdown...

 

 

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