Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
i have no idea if laser shield will work or not, havent really encounter it yet..but i brought it anyways, same as you are, i dont want to put veil on my vehicle.. its a alternative... only one way to find out, just buy it, only $20.. lol
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
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noTe
None of them have close to JTG performance by themselves. Just buy a laser interceptor and be done with it.
yeah, i just got my gx65, kinda broke now, i'm trying to save so i can at least buy the zr4. hopefully i get some tax return to buy it.. haha
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
Cloaked Milan,
Both of these passive countermeasure solutions are complementary. The shield does quite well on the plate area, but alone, won't provide adequate protection because of the headlights. Veil G4 on the headlights does very well, but without treatment on the plate cover, will not provide adequate protection.
So both of them together would be the way to go. Let the lasershield do its job on the plate and the Veil G4 to do its job on the headlights working in synergy.
You could also try a Veil G4 coated photo blur plate cover which would not only protect you from police laser but also both kinds of photo enforcement technologies (those that work in the visible spectrum and those that work in the IR).
In so far as comments like noTe's (whom I suspect has actually never driven with either product) about the LI and that you can never get JTG or near JTG performance, that statement is simply inaccurate.
I just learned that Category4 had repeated "JTG's" with Veil G4 only on his white F-150 against the latest LTI Truspeed!
Additional Happya$$ had some JTGs with Veil G4 only on his personal Civic.
There have been others, as well. Even more importantly, there a countless instances (on this very forum) over the years of real-world success stories with using both products.
Here's one of the videos:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdeIj1KKL0w"]YouTube - Laser Veil G4 Only vs. LTI 100LR (100pps) on Steve's Civic[/ame]
Here's another recent success story:
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/veil/42573-veil-success-story.html
Besides the marketing hype of one particular jammer company, JTG is not what's [ultimately] important, providing sufficient time to slow down and avoiding speeding tickets is.
For what amounts to less the $100 (not $1000!), both of these aforementioned products have repeatedly demonstrated over a good number of years that they are very capable at doing so. Period.
I think its great that individuals, like noTe, are really pleased with their choices for protection and I certainly don't have anything against them. But, "bashing" other products to promote others, is simply not my cup-of-tea and never has been...
Besides it has also repeatedly been documented that using both passives and actives together does especially well. It's called "defense-in-depth" and it works wonders (especially with certain devices that have shown reliability issues over the years).
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Veil Guy :cool:
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
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noTe
If you buy a good enough laser jammer you don't even need Veil.
Only problem with that is, "good enough" could end up being a $2400 dollar LI HP. Veil could save you a LOT of money in that case.
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
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Stealth Stalker
Only problem with that is, "good enough" could end up being a $2400 dollar LI HP. Veil could save you a LOT of money in that case.
Then don't speed.
-Veil has ruin headlights (there is a thread here where it happened)
-Viel can deteriorate
-Cannot tell you that it is jamming a laser gun
-Against the law for making your headlights tinted (See DJ's ticket)
-Lowers light output
Yeah, I'll take a laser jammer that can JTG without those issues.
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
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noTe
Veil has ruin headlights (there is a thread here where it happened)
In those cases, the headlights were already old and crappy.
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-Viel can deteriorate
Nothing lasts for ever. Ask my ex-wife. But I have seen several veil applications that still look very nice, and very effective, well over a year after application.
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-Cannot tell you that it is jamming a laser gun
It wasn't ever meant to. What do you want for $90 bucks?
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-Against the law for making your headlights tinted (See DJ's ticket)
-Lowers light output
See DJ's gross overapplication, which was never recommended by the manufacturer. It's a countermeasure, not a fashion accessory. Use it a directed, and you won't experience either problem.
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Yeah, I'll take a laser jammer that can JTG without those issues.
Me too. I'm the last person here to ever over-estimate any product. But nobody ever said no to get a jammer. What is being said is that Veil can fortify your weak spots enough to greatly maximise the effectiveness of whatever jammer you can afford. And the unfortunate fact is that not everyone can afford the jammer it would take to get JTG on their vehicle.
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
i read somewhere, that majority of LEO's are trained to shoot only/most License plate. if that is true, dont you think laser shield will do the work? i'm not saying alone will work, but if you have a good radar detector, then that 1or 2sec can bring you down to PSL if you reaction is fast enough. i dont know about anyone, but i'm very attentive when i'm driving.. well, that is only my opinion, its probably wrong, but.. maybe when i encounter a laser soon, i will know for sure..lol
man, from what everyone is saying, i really want to purchase a jammer. i'm getting addicted now. haha
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
Yes that is true, either the license plate or the headlights.
If an office is reduced to having getting a reading off of the windshield (primarily a transmissive object) then I'd say you are doing really well because in the real-world when an officer has to re-target, you are getting precious additional seconds to actually slow down, which is the whole point, really, not to rub his/her nose in it with a JTG.
Trying to get JTG all of the time, may look good on some controlled-test result, but in the real-world it's really a bad idea.
Furthermore, I certainly wouldn't recommend any expensive device which has proven to have reliability or appears to have patent-infringement issues. Although you may not read many public posts online about such things, I get plenty of comments to that effect, privately.
We've seen a few of them come and go, over the years, and trying to get replacement parts often proves to be difficult (if not impossible) from any given company [that] was never legitimately established and/or can no longer be found.
My suggestion, in general. would be to do some thorough research before parting with your hard-earn dollars and choose wisely. That's why I have chosen to stick with the "majors" when it comes to jammers--those two majors are Blinder and Escort/Beltronics, plain and simple. They've been around for years and I suspect will continue to be around in the years to come, when "short-cutters" and "also rans" will be greatly pressured to just survive the down-economy.
I'd take either unit (especially coupled with Veil) against any hyper-expensive "exotic" by itself. Of course, others, will have their own opinions/beliefs which may differ from my views...
Veil Guy :cool:
Re: Laser Shield vs. Veil?
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mahjong007
i read somewhere, that majority of LEO's are trained to shoot only/most License plate. if that is true, dont you think laser shield will do the work?
In theory, yes. But in real practice, no. Ever seen video of laser being aimed? An officer can't just hit only your plate and nothing else. The entire front end of your car gets painted by the laser, whether he is trying to or not. That's why passive countermeasures alone don't work. Everything is going to eventually get hit by the beam, and you don't know when or where. You have to have active measures to cover the entire front end.