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  1. #1
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    Default Who has the right information from the last SML test???

    The 2004 SML test information on Speedzones.com says this:

    Valentine One: X band 11+miles, K band 11+miles, Ka band 10.8 miles
    Escort X50: X band 10.9 miles, K band 10.9 miles, Ka band 11+miles
    Bel RX65 X band 10.8 miles, K band 11+miles, Ka band 11+miles

    Radar Roy's results from the same SML test in 2004:

    Valentine One: X band 11+miles, K band 11+miles, Ka band 10.8 miles
    Escort X50: X band 10.7 miles, K band 10.8 miles, Ka band 11+miles
    Bel RX65: X band 8.9 miles, K band 10.8 miles, Ka ban 11+miles

    The V1's results are the same but there are differences in the results in the X50 and RX65 on X and K band.

    Radar Roy also did the the "Radar Rumble" and tested radar detectors but the bar graphs seem to be misleading.

    For instance, the V1 wins in X band detection but the V1 gets a 9/10 just like the X50 and the RX65 as if they were all tied.

    In K band detection, the V1 detects it at 4.3 miles just like the X50 and the RX65 but Radar Roy gives it an 8/10 and the X50 and the RX65 get a 9/10. He gives the V1 an 8/10 which is the same ranking he gave the other detectors that detected 1/3 mile later.

    In Ka band detection the same thing, the V1 detects it at 4.3 miles just like the X50 and the RX65 but Radar Roy gives it an 8/10 and the X50 and the RX65 get a 9/10. He gives the V1 an 8/10 which is the same ranking he gave the other detectors that detected 1/3 mile later.

    In the filter rating test, Radar Roy gave the V1 a 9/10 and the X50 and RX65 a 10/10. Autoweek does some test and they describe themselves as, "near novices; only a few of our dozen test drivers had experience with radar detectors that they would call extensive" and Radar Roy changed the rating of the V1 to a 7/10 as if this was his personal test.

    Also, in Radar Roy's SML results, the Valentine One's results are not listed at the one mile cone in Instant On and Constant On testing for some reason.

    As far as RDD, Radar Roy was honest in stating that the Spectre III test could have been compromised but SML makes no mention of this and instead uses this test information as one reason to run out and get the X50. The Valentine One blows away the X50 by 1000-2000 feet in the Spectre I and Spectre II test done, but the X50 is undetectable by the Spectre III and then suddenly the Valentine One is the worst.

    The hardest part about choosing a radar detector is trying to figure out who is biased and what they are trying to sell you and whether or not their "facts" are truthful. I find it strange that SML didn't do a rear radar detection test like they did in 2000 sometime. They probably left that out because the Valentine One won by 2-3 miles in rear Ka band radar detection and that wouldn't look good compared to the X50 or RX65.

    I understand that Radar Roy sells about 18 different radar detectors (Valentine One not included) so he is biased towards those brands but he should be more honest when it comes to presenting his information to the public.

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    I post this reply is not to defend the interest of Radar Roy and my conscience tell me Radar Roy is a honest person to do business with, not only he sell the best and he has better knowledge in his products than others. Reviews are just benchmarking to me and ultimately it's still my own decision to buy the detector I want. Before I purchased a Bel detector from Roy and I was interested to buy VI and I contact VI by email but receive no reply. Their service attitude is so bad and I have no interest to do business with them.

    I came across radar roy's website and before I secure a purchase, I emailed him several times and his immediate reply is greatful. This is what I called GOOD service. There are plenty of merchants on website selling detector and why I chose Radar Roy is simply three words,
    HONEST, RELIABLE & GOOD.

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    Mike,
    I think You should have come out with Your real name.

    I've been browsing around this detector thing since 1995 and I have talked with many many peoples in USA, Australia, Netherlands and Great Britan. I think I have a quite good picture of the business.

    For some reason (this is business - propably thats why) there has developed somekind of Mike V vs. the rest in business information war.
    Carl Fors, Graig Peterson, Roy Reyer and Mike Valentine are all authorities in this business and they should approach each other and put an end to this stupid thing.
    The industry is facing many changes in near future with Spectre, POP, Ku and +70 GHz frequences. Everybody should think and use all the information availeable and focus to resolve these problems instead of playing stupid games.

    It might happen that outside of all comes an new manufacturer with solution to these problems while somebody is thinking should we test radar detection behind or not ...

    IMHO,

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    BiGeAsYgUy:

    I thought I was windy. Please allow me to make a constructive criticism, shorten your posts so the reader doesn't fall asleep reading them. Get to the point quicker, friend.

    Having said all that BS...I think if you read Roy's critiques you'll see he has nothing but praise for the V1. I've seen where he has given it high marks on numerous occasions.

    However some of these V1 owners are so friggin "rabid" about V1s all they wanna hear is:

    "THE V1 WORKS MIRACLES. ALL OTHER RDS EAT $H!T!!!"

    and things like:

    "VeeveeveeveeveeveeveeVeeee ONE! VeeveeveeveeveeveeveeveeveeVeeee ONE!" repeat the holy mantra with me.

    It seems if anyone points out any flaws with the V1 the cult of V1 worshippers comes out guns blazing.

    A few years ago I had a V1. Back when it really did rule the roost. But I also had a BEL Vector series at the same time. I must admit the V1 was a little more sentsitive on picking up police radar on open highways. But it wasn't THAT much more sensitive. It cost almost twice as much at the time and was no where near twice as good. The V1 saved my a$$ several times from the HP. So did the Vector. Nowadays the BELs and Escorts are performing (in many regards) better than a V1. So IMAO it certainly makes NO sense whatsoever to spend top dollar to get a second place device.

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    Default Testing Results

    I was present during the long range testing in the van. I copied the results as they were provided. The following day, (Sunday) there was another test that I was not present at.
    As you say, the results favor the Valentine on our site and the Escort/Bels on Carl's site. Therefore, you cannot blame me for being critital of the V1.

    I rate them as I see them. The Valentine is rated highly on our site and we do not sell them

    We are only one resource for someone to make their decision, there are others we also recommend. Such as Radartest.com, SpeedZones.com and of course Valentines site.
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    Alright...

    The Valentine One, IMO is the best detector availible today. One of it's major points is it's resale value. Using a V1 for 5 years then selling it on ebay will likely only cost you about 25-40 bucks! You don't get that with anything else.

    The Valentine One, for a great number of years, was the the undisputed best detector availible in the area that is most important - detecting!

    The Valentine One also has one feature that no other detectors have, namely twin radar and laser antennae and sensors, which allows the unit to triangulate the position of the source and point to it "the arrows". Really it's neat to have, but it's generally not important (however the rear detection is!)

    Why is rear detection important? Well, once I was in NY, on some interstate (87?). Anyway, I was keeping a solid 165km/h in the left lane. All was OK. But in the rearview, this dark blue Crown Vic with a black plastic grille (and you know what that means ) comes closing in FAST on me! I braked hard and moved to the middle, since the middle was driving about 120km/h. The State Trooper blew by me, he must have been doing 180km/h (115miles per hour!) easily. I would not like to have a ticket driving 100mi/h in a 65mi/h zone in a foreign country for sure!

    The Valentine One also has the bogey counter, which is my personal favorite feature. The bogey counter allows you to know if there are any radar sources operating in typical false alarm zones, a good thing. The Escort 8500 also offers this, and I think even some cheapo detectors do as well (PNI RX7500). However, none have the easy to read big number on them like the V1, but rather a fairly awkward display on the LCD.

    Valentine Reasearch is also a nice company to deal with, it's very difficult to not have a lot of respect for the way the company conducts business. You really come off as though Mike V. is dedicated to making the undisputed best detector you can get.

    However, I believe it is now somewhat of a wash between the Valentine One and Escort / BEL products. Valentine Reasearch desperately needs to get some serious under the hood improvements or they will only fall further behind. IMO they are still at the forefront, however Escort/BEL are there too, as opposed to the vast difference before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiGeAsYgUy
    In K band detection, the V1 detects it at 4.3 miles just like the X50 and the RX65 but Radar Roy gives it an 8/10 and the X50 and the RX65 get a 9/10. He gives the V1 an 8/10 which is the same ranking he gave the other detectors that detected 1/3 mile later.

    In Ka band detection the same thing, the V1 detects it at 4.3 miles just like the X50 and the RX65 but Radar Roy gives it an 8/10 and the X50 and the RX65 get a 9/10. He gives the V1 an 8/10 which is the same ranking he gave the other detectors that detected 1/3 mile later.
    I noticed this, and I was wondering about it too. Roy, you should consider "fixing" this, otherwise people might end up labeling you "the second coming of Craig Peterson"

    Seriously though, I think accuracy of radar detector tests is more of an issue than bias. There are just too many variables effecting radar and radar propegation involved. Some of these things don't normally come into play, except on the outer fringes of detection range, where some tests declare a winner based on as little as 1/10 of a mile.

    Valentine mentions some issues with detector testing on his site:
    http://www.valentine1.com/lab/MikesLabRpt5.asp
    http://www.valentine1.com/lab/DoItYourself.asp

    I also wonder why SML didn't follow the manufacturer's recommendations for mounting the V1? This should be pretty basic.
    The first sentence under "Mounting" on page 16 of the manual: "Valentine One works best when mounted high in the windshield, and toward the center between the windshield pillars. Use your choice of windshield or visor mounts." Yet in the SML test pictures, the V1 is mounted in the middle or lower windshield. Does this make a difference? According to my calculations, 6 inches could give it more than a tenth of a mile more line-of-sight, a foot gives it a few tenths. So, technically it could make a difference. Especially if the V1 was specifically designed to be mounted high???
    Maybe their theory was that they needed to mount each detector at the same height in order to be fair? I don't know, but not following the manufacturer's mounting recommendations is definitely questionable...

    Also, regarding the "Long Ranger" test at SML: As Roy points out, the results on one day were different from another. So just how accurate are they?

    Too many variables. Instead of "aim radar at the vehicle while it drives towards it" tests, I would like to see some scientific tests done in a controlled lab environment...

    At least Roy mounts his radar on tripods for his tests. SML has "certified officers" operate the handheld units. And at 11+ miles, a few degress of aiming difference could amount to a lot.

    Jim

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    Default Fixing this

    Well we are going to be doing some new testing at the end of the month with Carl in El Paso on some new stuff and I am awaiting two new Valentine 1 units now that I am going to be testing in the next 2 months. I also got the a Gensis II Moving/Stationary K and Ka gun that I want to also use during the tests:



    If you look here at this photo taken at SML you will see how the detecors were mounted:



    The photo shows all the units pluged in, but only one detector was powered up at a time during testing (as we also do)

    Mike has been invited several times to attend the SML tests and he has never shown up. If he did, I am sure Carl would allow him to mount the detector as he seen fit during the tests.

    I appreciate your feedback and will take this in account when we have the next "Radar Roy Rumble" in the next couple months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadarRoy
    I also got the a Gensis II Moving/Stationary K and Ka gun that I want to also use during the tests
    Wish I had some cool toys like that. :cry: I'll keep playing the lotto...

    Anyway the pics I was referring to are this one, under "Long Ranger of Radar Detection" (with V1 on the right):




    And this one (near the top of the page):



    Roy, do you know if they maybe mount in different locations for different types of tests? Do they follow any certain standard for mounting all of the detectors? Or does it just depend on where each individual driver decides to mount?

    Jim

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    Default Pictures

    These were taken by Carl's photo team, so I cannot speak for them.

    Many of the photos on our site are taken by me during the actual test.

    During the tests, if there is a manufacture rep, they will make their recommendations to Carl

    All the detectors used in Carl's tests are done with "blind" units, meaning that they are purchased by his staff prior to the event. The only exception to this would be the protype units from Autowave and/or BGTech.

    Well the "cool toys" are a necessity if I am going to publish accurate tests on our site.
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