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    Default Wiring Differences Between V1 and X50?

    Hi everyone!

    I own an Escort 8500 X50 and recently hardwired my motorcycle for the detector. The hardwire kit I used came with a quad wire telephone plug, with hot on the red wire and ground on the green. My assumption is that the voltage on one of the other two wires goes high when there is an alert and a pulsed voltage to the other wire mutes the alert (based on the way the SmartPlug works). I need to get out a multimeter and figure out which wire is which though and the positions they go to on the plug.

    I don't have a Valentine One, but have a friend who is willing to let me borrow one for testing purposes. Does anyone know what the telephone plug inputs/outputs on the Valentine are? In other words, are the signals completely different from those of the Escort, the same but in different positions, or the same?

    Thanks in advance and any help is greatly appreciated!

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    V1 is bass ackwards. Green is hot, and red is ground.

    I thought that the 8500 used a RJ45 plug, not an RJ11

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    I'm not sure about the V1, but I'm positive that the 8500 uses the RJ11 (standard phone connector).

    Another motivation for my question is I was looking at Legal Speeding's Herlmet Assisted Radar Detection System (HARD) and saw that they have two separate units: one for the Escort and one for the Valentine.
    http://www.radarbusters.com/products...cyles/hard.asp

    If I invested in one of these units, I would like to be able to make an adapter that will rearrange the three necessary signals GND, PWR, and ALERT so that the unit could be used for either detector. Seems like it would be unnecessary to buy two separate units when they're probably the same thing with the signals rearranged. This would also work as an adapter for swapping between different brands of powerplugs in a car.

    Has anyone done this or have any ideas?

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    They all use the same RJ11 and the same pinout.

    An RJ45 is a bloody huge RJ11 connector. I think they used them on Ethernet things...

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    So I did a little more looking into this and found that the Valentine accessory plug is quite a bit more complicated than the Escort plug:

    The Escort plug has 2 LED's and a button:
    1. LED for power (internal); probably an internal circuit that tells the plug whether or not the detector is drawing any power.
    2. LED for alert (input from detector); this LED just flashes whenever the detector goes off so it probably just directly outputs the signal it receives from the detector (with no conditioning).
    3. Mute Button (output to detector); this probably sends a voltage to the detector which the detector reads and mutes the audio alert.

    The Valentine plug (concealed display kit):
    1. Bogey Counter (input from detector); numerical LED readout displaying the number of detections.
    2. Radar Strength Indicator (input); 8 LED band showing signal strength.
    3. Band Indicator (input from detector); 4 LED's showing which band is being detected
    4. Radar Locator (input from detector); 3 LED's showing whether radar is to the front, rear, or sides.
    5. Mute Button (output to detector); same as Escort.

    So...
    Since each detector has only four signals (wires to work with) and both of them need PWR and GND, then they are only left with two signals to cover the mute function and alert information. Since the Escort just has a single LED for alert, it's probably just a direct signal. However, the Valentine plug must be doing some decoding in order to extract all of it's displayed information from a single signal.

    This has me thinking that if someone purchased the Valentine HARD system or remote display (with the signal conditioning), it might be asy to modify it to work with an Escort. You would just bypass the decoder and send the alert signal directly to the transmitting circuit. On the otherhand, modifying an Escort HARD system or accessory plug to work with a Valentine would be much more involved because you would have to redesign the decoder.

    Please note that I'm just thinking out loud here and would love to hear everyone else's thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr
    I think they used them on Ethernet things...
    They do, If you have broadband, your probably using on right now.

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    Nope. My DSL runs standard RJ11

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr
    Nope. My DSL runs standard RJ11
    Connection from the modem into your NIC card is RJ45.

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    No I have an internal DSL modem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr
    No I have an internal DSL modem...
    Aah, those are EXTREMELY uncommon here. Almost everyone uses the Speedstream 5100 external.

 

 

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