Is any of this INFO True?

[StlouisX50]

I got an email in the Yahoo Groups for Radar Detectors, is any of this true?

By Poster: microwaveengineer1968@yahoo.com

There are some really bad news for all you guys using radar
detectors out there, especially where there are illegal !

Dont ask where the info is coming from lets just say that i was
involved in some of those projects very closely im still under NDA
so there is very little i can say !

1.) RDD , there is a new radar detector detector that can detect the
STI driver up to 200ft away and that can not be detected by any
radar detector ! this unit has virtually no false alarms !
It is currently tested under great secrecy by several PDs
in states where RD are illegal, all officers selected as testers
had to sign NDA not to disclose even the existence of this device,
the units are supposed to be produced and fielded in nov 2007, the
unit will only be sold to state agencies and police departments in
areas with large poulations (>50000) first, it will only be
advertised by flyers and emails send to PDs directly, miami townhall
has been banned from receiving any info !
Bell is going to have a hard time with this one !

2.) new Lidar
A new lidar is going to come out in early 2008, this lidar uses
a more sensitive receiver along with shorter pulses and lower PRF,
the prototype has been shown not to trigger any of the known lidar
counter measures, the prototype is capable of detecting a car with
front licence plate up to 6000ft oncoming and 8000ft going

3.) new radar frequency
A application to the FCC has been made to approve a new
frequency for police radar the use of modulation has also been
requested, if approved the new frequency will be used in products by
feb 2008, customers receiving the new units will be unaware of the
change, the radar will make use of a newly designed propriatary MMIC
frontend which will allow the use of lower transmit power due to
increased receiver sensitivity, use of the new frequency along with
the type of modulation used will make this radar impossible to
detect.

4.) K band Fun.
24GHz has been approved by the FCC to be used for vehicle based
sensor and radar systems such as parking aids etc., 24GHz has been
picked to avoid interference of those systems with 77GHz ACC systems
currently in use, once those systems are used they will naturally
set of radar detectors since they are operating within the detection
range of the detector so you may see a copy in every second or third
car passing by , kinda the same effect people experienced with X
Band door openers in the good old days.

so you guys have fun speeding and spending lots and lots of money on
your detectors , cloth yourself with a false sense of security and
then enjoy your tickets and fines

[Lucky225]

I got an email in the Yahoo Groups for Radar Detectors, is any of this true?

By Poster: microwaveengineer1968@yahoo.com

There are some really bad news for all you guys using radar
detectors out there, especially where there are illegal !

Dont ask where the info is coming from lets just say that i was
involved in some of those projects very closely im still under NDA
so there is very little i can say !

1.) RDD , there is a new radar detector detector that can detect the
STI driver up to 200ft away and that can not be detected by any
radar detector ! this unit has virtually no false alarms !
It is currently tested under great secrecy by several PDs
in states where RD are illegal, all officers selected as testers
had to sign NDA not to disclose even the existence of this device,
the units are supposed to be produced and fielded in nov 2007, the
unit will only be sold to state agencies and police departments in
areas with large poulations (>50000) first, it will only be
advertised by flyers and emails send to PDs directly, miami townhall
has been banned from receiving any info !
Bell is going to have a hard time with this one !

2.) new Lidar
A new lidar is going to come out in early 2008, this lidar uses
a more sensitive receiver along with shorter pulses and lower PRF,
the prototype has been shown not to trigger any of the known lidar
counter measures, the prototype is capable of detecting a car with
front licence plate up to 6000ft oncoming and 8000ft going

3.) new radar frequency
A application to the FCC has been made to approve a new
frequency for police radar the use of modulation has also been
requested, if approved the new frequency will be used in products by
feb 2008, customers receiving the new units will be unaware of the
change, the radar will make use of a newly designed propriatary MMIC
frontend which will allow the use of lower transmit power due to
increased receiver sensitivity, use of the new frequency along with
the type of modulation used will make this radar impossible to
detect.

4.) K band Fun.
24GHz has been approved by the FCC to be used for vehicle based
sensor and radar systems such as parking aids etc., 24GHz has been
picked to avoid interference of those systems with 77GHz ACC systems
currently in use, once those systems are used they will naturally
set of radar detectors since they are operating within the detection
range of the detector so you may see a copy in every second or third
car passing by , kinda the same effect people experienced with X
Band door openers in the good old days.

so you guys have fun speeding and spending lots and lots of money on
your detectors , cloth yourself with a false sense of security and
then enjoy your tickets and fines

I think the K band one is true. Can't confirm the others, the 1st one is especially fishy since it says 'states' where radar detectors are banned, radar detectors are only banned in ONE STATE -- Virginia -- Washington D.C. is a federal DISTRICT, not a soverign state

[StlouisX50]

I have a hard time believing some of the post. Like the lidar guns picking up further. This would defeat the officer to be able to see the car type, make ect.


The new Radar Detector Detector that can pick up the Bel STI Driver at 200ft. Whipty do. 200ft. Thats close. If you are that close to a officer then you should just turn the power off. Also the post says "It is currently tested under great secrecy by several PDs
in states where RD are illegal" There is only 1 state dude! Unless it's commercial!


Please sticky this post so it can be updated and people are kept up to date on any changes!

[MEM-TEK]

I think that the entire "post" by microwaveengineer68 is bogus. If this guy was a regular poster to the internet and regularly included his Yahoo email address, then a Google search on "microwaveengineer68" would produce more than zero hits.

Additionally...

RDD -- Lets assume going from a 3 to 200 foot detection range for the STi using the latest Spectre with its horn extension. Lets also assume that this involves specifically detecting the STi's local oscillators since detecting any MHz emissions from the STi's non LO electronics is pointless because tons of electronic devices emit MHz radiation. So, a range difference from 3 to 200 feet would require over a 4400X gain in Spectre sensitivity to the STi's virtually nonexistent LO emissions. Even a worst case scenario of going from a 10 to 200 foot detection range would require an increased gain of 400X. I could see a 20X gain by using some incredibly small signal sweeps to specifically detect the STi's LOs, but the other 20X gain would have to come from using a much larger horn extension on a Spectre.

LIDAR -- A more sensitive receiver, perhaps. But to get this kind of range, the infrared laser would have to have an extremely small divergence cone and that would have to be done with precisely aligned mirrors about a laser cavity instead of using a laser diode. Such a narrow and extremely tight cone would have the potential of causing eye damage to drivers. I don't think that the FCC would ever approve that.

New radar frequency -- Any new radar frequency can be detected using a new yet good radar detector design. If the "new" radar frequency is in the ultra high GHz range, then any radar guns based on an ultra high GHz radar frequency would be very expensive.

K band fun -- This is the only one which I think could be true.

Well, thats my two cents worth although I could be wrong!

--Michael

[StlouisX50]

I don't think that the FCC would ever approve that.

--Michael

Remember that laser is not regulated by the FCC though!

[MEM-TEK]

I don't think that the FCC would ever approve that.

--Michael

Remember that laser is not regulated by the FCC though!

Oops, I meant to say "FDA". Funny, I was thinking FDA but typed FCC instead.

[proudNMAmember]

I received the same email and am glad people are discussing this on here. Fishy is right.

[Stealth 795]

Jesus K Christ, all the money I am spending on these rd's and now thre going to be old news in 2 years...
If this is true or any of the 4 things happen, Ima be one mad azz Italian with an attitude... :twisted: :twisted:

[TeamQuack]

i give up im putting my v1 on flea bay

[insidercw3]

Crap, serious crap.
There is NO detector detector being developed specifically to detect the STi. What nonsense :!: Think about it. What can the market penetration of STi's be. How many do you see in other cars. Zero, that's how many. The number of STi's sold to date has to be tiny compared to the number of other type detectors. Not to mention that the microwave leakage from the STi simply isn't detectable at more than 1 meter. That means that there isn't enough RF emission energy to be detected at 200 feet or even 20yds. The current crop of Spectre's must have sensitivities in the
-110dBm range, for a receiver to detect an STi at any distance it would have to have a baseline sensitivity in the neighborhood of -128dBm.
This is getting into military/space spec receivers that use digitized RF receivers and humongous /tuned antennas. The nonsense about detecting the 400MHz leakage, or was it 432MHz, is another who cares, as there are any number of devices that generate RF noise in this region. Not to mention that it is quite close to standard 2 meter ham, and that 432MHz is an approved freq for ham use, meteor scatter xmissions or something weird like that. Oh and of course let's not forget the transmission signature of today's automobile. Cars/trucks are gigantic RF noise generators in their own right.

LIDAR development, well whatever :!: :? There could of course be any number of ways to make smarter LIDAR units that could fool most laser detectors. Psuedo-random prf for example could be difficult to detect if current laser detectors are looking for some repeatable prf pattern or pulse timing. Still though it comes down to $$$. Most cop-shops that originally had the old LTI 20-20s are still using them. Why, because they can still catch as many speeders today as they could when that old LIDAR was brand new. So what municipality is going to spend more money on some new LIDAR when it's raking in cash with current gear :?: