Turning POP off

**lennyo3034** · 12-07-2007, 02:22 AM

I notice a lot of the people here have in their signatures that they turn POP off. Is there any benefit to having it off? I currently has POP ON on my x50, although I've only had it go off twice ever (both times I never saw a LEO).

**DeadReb245** · 12-07-2007, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by lennyo3034

I notice a lot of the people here have in their signatures that they turn POP off. Is there any benefit to having it off? I currently has POP ON on my x50, although I've only had it go off twice ever (both times I never saw a LEO).

People turn POP off on their detectors because it is rarely used and in most cases when POP alerts occur, it isn't even possible that the hit was actually POP. The vast, overwhelming majority of POP alerts are triggered by leaky radar detectors passing by you in other vehicles.

**jdong** · 12-07-2007, 07:57 AM

Many detectors reduce their sensitivity threshold when you turn POP on, which reduces your range on all non-POP alerts too.

Also, Cobras and other detectors are known for leaking POP like transmissions.

Combine that with the fact that most people here do not think that POP is actually in use, it becomes apparent why so many have chosen to turn it off.

**TSi+WRX** · 12-07-2007, 08:47 AM

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...&highlight=pop

^ 4th post down - my usual presentation on POP.

**jdong** · 12-07-2007, 09:01 AM

TSi+WRX makes a good point about people who try to prove POP was in use because their detector alerted POP to a cop. Even from the JammerTest.com faulty Z35 usage video, you can see that the X50 alerts to POP on two occasions even though it was just regular IO K being shot.

I don't know if Whistler's POP ID is any better, but at any rate without seeing a cop shooting POP or having a cop tell you he shoots POP, anything else is not decent evidence of POP usage.

**teeto** · 12-08-2007, 02:59 PM

I have access to a Bee 3 if anyone wants to do any pop tests.

**RW'07** · 12-08-2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by lennyo3034

I notice a lot of the people here have in their signatures that they turn POP off. Is there any benefit to having it off? I currently has POP ON on my x50, although I've only had it go off twice ever (both times I never saw a LEO).

If no MPH radar units are used around you, you can easily disable it... also even on the MPH radar units, POP is not allowed to be used in court as a traffic speeding evidence:

"MPH recommends that the officer obtain a tracking history of a speed violator by operating the radar in normal transmit mode after determining with POP mode that the vehicle is speeding. This is because most radar case law is based on tracing a vehicle in normal radar operation. The information obtained in POP mode is accurate and reliable, but may not be supported by case law in court."

http://www.mphindustries.com/product...radar_pop.html

**teeto** · 12-08-2007, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by RW'07

If no MPH radar units are used around you, you can easily disable it... also even on the MPH radar units, POP is not allowed to be used in court as a traffic speeding evidence:

"MPH recommends that the officer obtain a tracking history of a speed violator by operating the radar in normal transmit mode after determining with POP mode that the vehicle is speeding. This is because most radar case law is based on tracing a vehicle in normal radar operation. The information obtained in POP mode is accurate and reliable, but may not be supported by case law in court."

http://www.mphindustries.com/product...radar_pop.html

There is no case law regarding POP, so YES it can be used in court unto proven otherwise. Where is their "disclaimer" do you see that it states POP mode is not admissible[/b]

**KnightHawk** · 12-09-2007, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by teeto

Originally Posted by RW'07

If no MPH radar units are used around you, you can easily disable it... also even on the MPH radar units, POP is not allowed to be used in court as a traffic speeding evidence:

"MPH recommends that the officer obtain a tracking history of a speed violator by operating the radar in normal transmit mode after determining with POP mode that the vehicle is speeding. This is because most radar case law is based on tracing a vehicle in normal radar operation. The information obtained in POP mode is accurate and reliable, but may not be supported by case law in court."

http://www.mphindustries.com/product...radar_pop.html

There is no case law regarding POP, so YES it can be used in court unto proven otherwise. Where is their "disclaimer" do you see that it states POP mode is not admissible[/b]

It is in the manual. "Citations should not be issued based solely on information derived from POP burst since there is no tracking history developed."

**teeto** · 12-09-2007, 07:15 AM

Read the first two words in the sentence: MPH RECOMMENDS

This has NOTHING to do with the law, as there is no case law with POP. As of today an officer could write POP tickets all day long, as long as his state law does not require an audible tracking history. As for a tracking history he could keep POPing you.

So in the eyes of the law POP is 100% legal if an audible tracking history is not required. If challenged by someone who understands POP, a case law would be established.....most likely making POP illegal for cites.