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    Quote Originally Posted by RW'07
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    Try to read more before making such ridiculous statements, OK?
    And, maybe you should apologize for your insulting comment.
    What, you're a God *BEEP* liberal and cannot see when you start a thread with INCOMPLETE details :roll:
    Maybe you should research a little before you make such comments. You said my statement was ridiculous. But, as it turns out.....
    You want ME to do the research for YOU :?: :shock: Maybe you want the government to guide you in life as well! Buddy, those devices in that video are video traffic cameras and NOT RLCs, yes, these video cameras, like any video camcorder, can film AND take snap shots at your own discretion... again, those are NOT RLC regardless what the title of the video is, they are VIDEO TRAFFIC CAMERAS... period...
    And btw, talking about apologies, why didn't you start the thread with the video link so I didn't have to waste my freaking time explaining what a REAL RLC is and do, next time do a better job in formulating clearly and accurately in plain English your post!
    I asked a question. If you don't know the answer, stay out of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80
    I asked a question. If you don't know the answer, stay out of the thread.
    Apparently was just ME wasting time to answer your misleading question... and don't worry, you do not have to thank me for my effort :roll:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW'07
    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80
    I asked a question. If you don't know the answer, stay out of the thread.
    Apparently was just ME wasting time to answer your misleading question... and don't worry, you do not have to thank me for my effort :roll:
    I asked a question, Navalert knew exactly what I was asking for, gave an appropriate answer(and a nice diagram link I might add), and that should have been it. Then the thread took a left turn about how people hate red light runners. Then you respond uneducatedly and innapropriately, like a fool. I was looking for answers from those in the know. You were not the target audience, since you had never heard of these particular contraptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80
    I asked a question, Navalert knew exactly what I was asking for, gave an appropriate answer(and a nice diagram link I might add), and that should have been it. Then the thread took a left turn about how people hate red light runners. Then you respond uneducatedly and innapropriately, like a fool. I was looking for answers from those in the know. You were not the target audience, since you had never heard of these particular contraptions.
    Fair enough, I already have a list of people to avoid answering to, you've just made it even bigger 8) :wink:

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    Hey, it's a slightly newer technology in terms of capturing speed along the way, nothing fancy, just using available information from two shots (one in the intersection, one on the other side of intersection) and based on known distance and time between the two frames of images to determine the speed, but this is not accurate either since a driver "could" slow down in the middle of the intersection to throw the calculation off.

    There used to be similar set-up elsewhere quite some time ago(cannot remember where now) where the police/municipality would mail the photos taken from the front along with the traffic ticket to the offender to prove their case.

    The problem was that some of the frontal shots showed the husband/boyfriend with "other" woman that the husband/boyfriend could not explain to their spouse/girlfriend when they opened the envelope!

    The outcry for privacy invasion quickly stopped the police force from using or mailing the frontal shots to the registered owner of the plate.



    Not sure how the Tucson police is dealing with this issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kl
    It is against common sense to run red lights, !
    I quite agree. One good reason for having a GPS device warning of RLC is to alert to a location where other people have a tendency to run red lights. I'm extra careful looking out when entering a fresh green light, for fear of perpendicular red light violators.

    Also, I watch my tail for tail-gators.

    Now that our RLCs are being converted to do Green Light Speed duty, I'm extra glad I bought the GPS.

    -Brent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc What, son?
    Now that our RLCs are being converted to do Green Light Speed duty, I'm extra glad I bought the GPS.
    X2, this thing gave us 2 distinct flashes on a green light. That tells me that this thing took 2 still pictures and that my friend that was driving was over the PSL. He swears that he was not, but we'll see. He wasn't speeding excessively for sure, so maybe the person who reviews these things will toss it out. However, I doubt he was wearing his seat belt, since he rarely does. Ut oh, here comes the thread left turn about seat belts. Remember people, it wasn't me. OK?

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    I'd like to try to help with a couple of answers here. It seemed to blow up rather quickly because people were talking at cross purposes, so hopefully this will help.

    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80
    We were traveling south on Alma School Road at Guadalupe and we got our picture taken at a green light. I have heard that Arizona has the red light cameras that also give out speeding tickets. However, this intersection was not listed.
    The ATS camera system at that particular intersection is a Red-light Camera system that also does Speed-on-Green enforcement. It is a dual purpose camera system so it will catch you if you happen to mistime things and go through on red, or if you are going through the intersection too quickly when it's still green.

    The fine for a Red-Light camera violation in Mesa is $205.50. Fines for speed violations are based on how many miles per hour you are driving over the PSL:

    MPH Over / Fine
    1-9 = $149.25
    10 = $154.25
    11 = $158.25
    12 = $162.50
    13 = $166.50
    14 = $172.75
    15 = $176.75
    16 = $180.75
    17 = $185.00
    18 = $190.00
    19 = $195.25
    20 = $204.25
    21-29 = $244.25
    30-39 = $324.00
    40+ = $490.50

    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80
    1. What do red light cameras use to determine your presense? There is one close to my house and it does not alert me to any radar.
    There are lots of different types of red light camera systems from lots of different manufacturers and they all work in different ways.

    If you want to know how this kind of ATS camera system works, there is an example in this recent video from Seattle last week - watch this:
    http://www.komotv.com/home/video/130...?video=YHI&t=a

    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80
    There is one close to my house and it does not alert me to any radar.
    2. Do these combination intersections in Arizona use radar for speed?
    Almost all fixed red-light camera and fixed speed cameras in the US and Canada are invisible to radar detectors. They do not use radar so there are no emissions to detect and your RD stays mute.

    If you want to be reminded about red-light cameras or fixed speed cameras you have to use a product that warns you about them using GPS technology. You can mark your own locations on a sat nav or 9500i but that's only helpful for the roads you've already driven on. The alternative approach is with specialist GPS detectors (also called GPS locators) like the Cheetah GPSmirror or the Navalert which offer a database for all of North America, loaded in the memory. The GPSmirror can also mute false alarms on high end RD's like the V1, using an accessory interface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW'07
    those are NOT RLC regardless what the title of the video is, they are VIDEO TRAFFIC CAMERAS... period...
    why didn't you start the thread with the video link so I didn't have to waste my freaking time explaining what a REAL RLC is
    I use a simple definition myself that seems to work quite well. :wink: If any camera system is used for red light enforcement....I'd call it a red light camera. If it also does Speed-on-green enforcement (e.g. in AZ, TX, NM, CA, OH, DC and spreading all over the USA and Canada) then it's still just another type of RLC, you just need a slightly different kind of warning from your GPS detector.

    I understand the confusion - a lot of is because of the use of the words Photo Radar as a catch all to mean anything that enforces by camera. In a lot of areas in the northern US and Canada the mobile vans are just known as speed cameras. In other parts of the US and the rest of the world a speed camera is something else completely.

    After years of experience, the most helpful way I've found of explaining things is to think of Fixed Cameras as one category, then Mobile Radar and Mobile Laser. Finally you can add in "Others"

    "Fixed cameras" covers everything from RLCs to Speed-on-green to Fixed Speed Cameras - basically all the stuff you need a GPS detector for.

    "Mobile Radar" - moving radar, radar guns, tripod mounted radar systems, photo radar vans - everything you need your RD for.

    "Mobile Laser" - jammer time.

    "Others" - things like Vascar, Airborne Vascar, Enradd, Autovelox, pacing- all the stuff you can't do much about. In fact your GPS detector, a CB radio, and your wits is all you have for this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kl
    It is against common sense to run red lights, I've nearly been hit at least 5 or 6 times by red light runners over the years, ....
    Running a red light is just plain stupid, I have respect for those other drivers I share the road with, and would never consider running a red light regardless if there is a RLC or not.

    I am all for Red Light Cameras!
    Absolutely right - and that's exactly the reason why you should have a red-light camera detector... to give you a safety reminder when you are approaching one of these dangerous intersections, so you can better prepared to watch out for those muppets coming the other way or coming up too close behind you. 8)

 

 

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