How much time do you have to slow down after being hit with Instant On or POP.
How much time do you have to slow down after being hit with Instant On or POP.
If its you they are targeting you better be on the brakes right now, pretty much tires smoking nose diving kind of right now brake action.
Which if extreme in your braking they could likely write you up for reckless driving, especially if someone else was right behind you.
Not sure how it is in your area though, things tend to be different based on location. Here they hold off on IO or POP till they are right on top of you, rapid braking can easily be observed by them, but I haven't gotten stopped or anything for doing it.
I've learned from a lot of driving and observation in my area that some places around here are more likely to be utilizing IO or POP, other areas I never see IO just CO being used, all the same Highway Patrol department. In the areas where I see them using a lot of IO I tend to not get too carried away with my speeding and try to keep a much better eye out for them. If I see one coming even with out an alert I brace myself for the probably IO hit I'm about to receive. Other areas here where they don't favor using IO for what ever reason and I see one coming without an alert I likely won't even bother slowing down.
No one is completely acurately going to be able to answer this question for you. It just depends on how the LEO's in your area were trained to use IO tactics. All you can do is drive safely till you have had time to get to know what exactly to expect from the LEO's in your area, and even that can vary widely just driving one city limit over.
isn't it if IO or pop is used directly on you then the officer will have your speed before your rd will even go off? (this includes V1)
I have never been directly hit with POP while speeding, had a cop behind me one day that was displaying POP on my detector all over the place, going off like a pop corn popper, but he was just hitting other random cars around.
Get direct hit with close range IO all the time, slam on my brakes instantly to drop my speed everytime, never stopped by the LEO never a second look at me, so this tactic has to be working for me, so far. They write tickets for just 5 over here all day long, I next to never do under 10 over, often closer to 20 depending on traffic conditions. If they had anything useable on me they would have stopped me by now.
99% of the time as well when I get a direct close range hit of IO I'll hear a single tone from the detector, slam my brakes if I know I'm in an IO hot spot, and almost directly after that I get the full bar alert. No idea what that 1 tone alert I always hear from them is, but its always been enough to save me and I say 99% because I can't think of a single time it hasn't happened like that.
The Ka IO and the POPs are always used in the section of I80 coming into Reno from California. That just seems to be their absolute favorite place to use it for some reason. Just about everywhere else around here its either VASCAR or CO Ka, except for in the county where they seem to like using K band still.
I switched my detector over to display SpecDisplay so I could try to catch an actual POP freq used on me about a month ago and have not been able to get a POP alert since. So its been really tough for me to tell what happens when hit directly by it and what their use tactic with it is to date.
Like I said, the times I have seen it in the past the LEO was already mobile and about 3 cars back in rather heavy traffic, he was POPing everyone according to my alert reports, so it was tough to determine what the behavior would be under normal or less favorable for me conditions. One thing is for sure, if he does regularly use his MPH unit in that way you would detect him while he was busy hitting everyone else.
I grew up in sac and have gone to reno a couple of times. There is tons of speed traps on i-80 but i've never ever hit IO from them. *shrugs*
To answer your qustion.Originally Posted by che17
You DONT have anytime. Well alright, you have exactly a split second to slow... and that was from the start of the officer pulling the trigger on you... not after when your detector alerts a second later... too late.
The POINT of radar detectors is to be alerted to a speed trap BEFORE you get to the speed trap. So hopefully other people ahead of you get targeted so your detector can pick it up.
[quote="Esoterica"]I have never been directly hit with POP while speeding, had a cop behind me one day that was displaying POP on my detector all over the place, going off like a pop corn popper, but he was just hitting other random cars around.
I am pretty sure POP can not be used while moving, so as you were driving you were getting I/O only, your detector was getting short bursts of I/O
I know it says this all over the web, but the information is either incorrect or outdated. To quote directly from the manual:Originally Posted by focalcivic
"POP mode works in all radar modes: stationary, opposite direction moving mode, and same direction moving mode. In same direction moving mode, the status of the Faster/Slower must be correct for the radar to do the proper math, which is the same as when the radar is not in POP mode. Fastest vehicle mode is disabled when the radar is in POP mode."
I have tried it myself, and it does indeed work while in moving mode.
BUT, that still doesn't mean that Esoterica was actually in the presence of an officer using POP, and chances are, he most likely wasn't. We all know you can't depend on the detector to tell you for certain that you were hit with POP, and I would say that in greater than 99% of cases when people receive these alerts POP was in fact not being used.
I've seen plenty of situations where an officer is operating regular IO/CO 33.8 GHz while moving, and it produces POP alerts on detectors. When an officer is moving in the same direction of travel that you are, and the radar isn't aimed "antenna to antenna", the detector must depend on reflections to receive radar. In this situation, as an officer passes terrain or other objects the reflections can produce a brief blip that the detector interprets as a POP alert.
That makes sense and explains why my V995 with POP on and mounted just above my dash would generate several false POP alerts from other radar detectors, yet when I moved my V995 to just under my rear view mirror the problem mostly went away. My V995 must have been picking up momentary reflections off of some of the ridges on my car's hood. Apparently this problem was minimized when I mounted my RD up much higher?Originally Posted by jimbonzzz
This is very likely based on the situation I seen this taking place under. The officer was behind me and moving, just pulled back onto the road from serving a customer on the road side. No way he could hit me "antenna to antenna" since as I've said in other posts I'm driving mainly a utility van with no rear windows and a good additional 3/4's of a ton of metal in parts, racks, walls and equipment separating my front to back.I've seen plenty of situations where an officer is operating regular IO/CO 33.8 GHz while moving, and it produces POP alerts on detectors. When an officer is moving in the same direction of travel that you are, and the radar isn't aimed "antenna to antenna", the detector must depend on reflections to receive radar. In this situation, as an officer passes terrain or other objects the reflections can produce a brief blip that the detector interprets as a POP alert.
IO does get used here and in that particular area specifically, its been said also that POP is known to be used in my state though (Nevada) and they certainly have the guns capable of doing so.
At this point though, I have to agree with your thoughts. I think if POP was in heavy use here like people say it is I would have certainly seen more indications of it than I have so far experienced. I spend all day out in the trenches driving in this stuff and wonder if its a police holiday if I'm not seeing 4-6 confirmed and seperate alerts every single day.
However, just the fact that it is rumored to be in use here, and the fact they are certainly capable of using it where with the equipment in use they have, and that I have not had any problems what so ever by having POP enabled, I conclude in my own mind I have more reasons to keep POP turned on that the no reasons I have to disable it like so many always suggest people do.
I can't imagine what a training day must be like here for the Nevada Highway Patrol though. They have an absolute hodge podge of Ka band equipment in use. I see them at 33.XXX GHz, 34.XXX GHz and 35.XXX GHz so they clearly have everything in their arsenal. With no two cars seeming to be using the same thing I can't imagine how they could be holding a training class capable of covering everything for all of them.
For all I know what I experienced was a LEO who had his regular car in the shop and was in a different vehicle that had different equipment and maybe he was just playing with the POP feature even. He was clearly pulling people over though and a little too eager to find more.