SML Day One

[focalcivic]

Originally Posted by MEM-TEK

Hi stegall1000,


I always endeavor to be completely honest and call it as I see it since integrity is everything to me. Yet from my observations at SML, Escort and Blinder products seemed to be the best performing LED jammers available. None of us were told of the actual specific results or what stuff we were being targeted with. That stuff remains in the hands of Carl and the police officers who assisted in the tests.

Stegall2000, you know me, I shoot straight from the hip and tell it like it is whenever I put my integrity on the line.


Best Regards,

--Michael

Were there any Diode jammers there? I can say that most LED jammers are so so performers at best.

In your opinion which overall seemed better in your opinion the Blinder or Escort?

[Asleeper]

Originally Posted By steagall1000
your Probably Right, It Could Have Been Side Testing. Roy Should Have Stated That. You See Roy Is A Escort Guy. He Sells Blinder And Escort. But His Bread And Butter Comes From Escort. Thats Why He Stated The Escort Faired Better Against This New Gun. He May Say This Is Not True, And Thats Fine. I Have Met Roy And Spoke With Him Over At Sems Before. He Favors Escort Over V1 Also. Why?????? The Answer Comes In The Shape Of>> $$$$$$$$$$$.

Originally Posted by thestaton

sounds Like A Good Personal Examination Of Yourself.

lawlz

[steagall1000]

Originally Posted by MEM-TEK

Hi stegall1000,

My name suddenly came up prior to SML since the Escort rep couldn't attend for whatever reason. I was simply told that I must rent a white mid sized rental car or otherwise Carl would send me back to either get another white mid sized rental car. No mention was made to me that I should specifically rent a white Chevy Impala. Yet the white Ford Focus which I rented featured a significant amount of front chromed grill area. I didn't consider this to be a horrible issue since most of the chromed grille area was vertically sloped.

Leon of Blinder, using his rented Impala, had basically no choice but to mount his front sensors in somewhat less than ideal locations. I was able to quickly mount the 9500i/ZR4 shifters in fairly ideal locations although my rental car had a lot of chrome up front. I did not have to take apart the chrome grille on the Ford Focus, contrary to what Leon previously said here on the forum. All I had to do was to remove one of the side clips from each shifter, stick the clip through a slit in the chromed grille and attach it, and then attach the sensor/shifter head to the clip. This was very straightforward to do. Yet my setup had to deal with quite a bit of chromed plastic around the sensor/shifter positions.

So, even though my 9500ci sensors were somewhat ideally mounted (spacing wise relative to the front license plate and the centers of the front headlights), Leon wasn't left with much of a mounting option regarding his test setup on the Impala rental car other than to attach his sensor/jammers to the front bumper area on his rental car. His setup was good yet not ideal. He had to use temporary aluminum mounting brackets for his sensor/jammer heads in order to get a reasonable test setup. Yet his test car didn't feature the large amounts of chrome like the Ford Focus did.

I will put it another way. Considering the vehicles and mounting contraints which we both had to contend with, the SML test results for both products wasn't bad at all. So, Leon's setup wasn't quite ideal yet his test vehicle had virtually zero chrome, yet my test setup was ideal yet featured a test vehicle with a considerable amount of angled chrome. So, when the SML test reports regarding jamming tests come out between the ZR4 and Blinder, these results should be taken, whichever way, with a bit of a grain of salt.

I always endeavor to be completely honest and call it as I see it since integrity is everything to me. Yet from my observations at SML, Escort and Blinder products seemed to be the best performing LED jammers available. None of us were told of the actual specific results or what stuff we were being targeted with. That stuff remains in the hands of Carl and the police officers who assisted in the tests.

Stegall2000, you know me, I shoot straight from the hip and tell it like it is whenever I put my integrity on the line.


Best Regards,

--Michael

Michael,

Thanks for the feed back. I understand why you got the car you did. I hope you had a great time out there. I'm glad you got to meet leon and carl. Leon is a great guy and really does his best to help out. Thanks for explaining the situation. Keep in touch.

sincerly,

scott

[MEM-TEK]

Originally Posted by focalcivic

Were there any Diode jammers there? I can say that most LED jammers are so so performers at best.

In your opinion which overall seemed better in your opinion the Blinder or Escort?

Hi focalcivic,

Sorry for the long delay in a reply. I went back to bed and slept throughout the entire afternoon and early evening.

I was only aware of the Escort and Blinder laser jammer products which of course are both LED based. Apparently there was a LI jammer there too. Virtually all the time during testing I had passengers in the back seat of my car who were interviewing me, taking photos of the RDs, and grilling me with questions about how the various Bel and Escort products worked. Thus I wasn't paying much attention to the radio transmissions regarding how the Blinder performed versus the Escort ZR4, but Roy told me later that both did very well yet both had some problems against the Stalker. Leon had his jammer heads installed in a somewhat less than ideal location. The ZR4 heads were attached to the thin aluminized front plastic grille on the Ford Focus. The ZR4 heads were level when I checked them first thing that morning, but apparently the blazing sun and the heat from the car engine (we spent most of our time in line idling and waiting for our test runs) caused the thin plastic grille to warp a fair amount. The Ford Focus's plastic grille material, where I attached the 9500ci/ZR4 heads, was less than 1/8" thick. At the end of the jammer tests I checked the ZR4 heads and found that they were pointing nearly two degrees upward. I was not a happy camper when I saw this! Lesson learned. The 9500ci/ZR4 jammers are the first jammers I have ever seen up close, installed, or used. Yep, I am a complete newbie with regards to laser jammers.

Everyone, do not mount your jammer heads to a really thin plastic grille which is really close to your car's radiator or A/C condenser! The grille can warp due to engine heat and ambient temperature changes. Try to find a more stable mounting method either using any supplied aluminum mounting brackets or some custom made metal mounting brackets. Thin plastic sucks!

Even though I am sworn to secrecy regarding the test results and can not comment on which products performed better than others, I honestly do not know which laser jammer performed better since the whole time during the jammer tests I was being interviewed for magazine articles and couldn't pay attention to the radio.

[Veri]

(whoops.)

[radarroy]

Saturday night Leon and I got togehter and shot his car. I was shooting headlight and center of mass with NO FRONT PLATE

SML required a front plate

Originally Posted by focalcivic

A couple of things, Leon stated that they were testing by shooting at the windshield, in the case for you Roy, was this side testing on your own? Also, where did you target, Center Mass, Headlight?

[radarroy]

You are correct, they were not at the test and it was not an SML test
It was MY TEST

Originally Posted by steagall1000

Roy,

You said you tested the Blinder, escort and Laser Interceptor at the SML test against the Truspeed. How is that possible when there was only two Laser jammer company's at the test. Blinder and escort? There was no Laser Interceptor. Why did you say there was??

Radar Detector Testing Day One - SML

[radarroy]

Because that is what the rental car company had that was available
The only SML requirement white mid size passenger car

Originally Posted by steagall1000

Roy,

Here's another question i'm curious about. Why did SML test the Escort ZR4 on a ford focus instead of on a white chevy impala like Blinder was tested on. If you don't put both jammers on the same exact car then its not considered a true test!! GOL use the same vehicle everytime at their test. All they do is take one off and put another jammer on in the same place. So if the eacorts results were better, it cannot be right. You must use the same vehicle. Thats like me going out and putting a Blinder M25 on a mercedes, and then putting a ZR4 on a 350z. The results would not be accurate. Sounds alittle fishy to me. Please let me understand your testing strategy behind using a smaller car for the escort and a bigger car for the Blinder....

[radarroy]

???? I Don't sell anything ?????

You know that I sold radarbusters over a year ago!
What the hell is in it for me to say one detector outperformed another radar detector???

Also radarbusters (the sales site that I sold) also sells Blinder, and you my friend who is a "Blinder Rep" knows that the margins are better on the Blinder than Escort.

Before you start posting "misinformation" please get your facts straight!

Originally Posted by steagall1000

focalcivic,


Your probably right, it could have been side testing. Roy should have stated that. You see Roy is a escort guy. He sells Blinder and escort. But his bread and butter comes from escort. Thats why he stated the escort faired better against this new gun. He may say this is not true, and thats fine. I have met roy and spoke with him over at SEMA before. He favors escort over V1 also. Why?????? the answer comes in the shape of>> $$$$$$$$$$$.

[radarroy]

No comment!!!
Wait for the official results....

Originally Posted by focalcivic

Were there any Diode jammers there? I can say that most LED jammers are so so performers at best.

In your opinion which overall seemed better in your opinion the Blinder or Escort?