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    Default Help choosing a remote.

    Hi every one.

    Greg from Georgia here, south of Atlanta.

    I am going to go the full measure after getting a ticket, the bill from the lawyer and the fine would have paid for the first install.


    The fist up is a supercharged 87 Corvette, dark red.
    The next up is a supercharged 87 928S4 Porsche, black. (as soon as I finish it)

    I borrowed a friends V1 for a while, and while it is a very good detector it is not for me.
    I have had RD's in years gone by, but stopped using them because of the constant false's, also, I was not spending the money on good detectors.


    I bought and have been running a Escort 9500ix for a couple of weeks now, I love it, if it goes off I am looking while on the brakes.

    After talking to a good freind of mine who is a Sargent with the local Sheriffs office, he has talked me into running a stealth set up.

    The biggest question is choosing between a 950ci alone or with a LI, or a Beltronics STIR and the LI.

    I would love to have front and rear protection.

    I know the front on the Vette and the 928 wont be a problem, but the rears are going to be tough, and very hard to find a location on the 928.

    I made the template that one of the members had posted here for the 9500ci head, no problem there on either car, but jammer heads are going to be tough to use with out being obvious.

    I own auto repair shop, so making brackets and mounts will not be a problem.

    What do you think?

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    Default Re: Help choosing a remote.

    Here is my opinion. I think my setup is as good as it gets. It sounds like your budget is whatever it takes, kind of like me. I have a 9500ci and a quad LI. I have the 9500ci's jammers(ZR4s) installed just as a backup, in case the LIs take a dump. This setup gives me the best of both worlds.

    The 9500ci is amazing. This is by far the best RD I've ever owned or used. It never goes off unless it's a real threat, just like your 9500ix, but with way more range. I stopped using RDs like you did for the exact same reason. After a few tickets, I bought an SRX and figured I'd just have to deal with false alerts. Then the 9500i was introduced, then the 9500ci. As you already know, the GPS features are the shiznit and make RDs useable again. The 9500ci also is updateable via your home PC's USB port. The biggest problem us users have with it is the rampup, but it shouldn't be too long before they get this fixed .

    I don't use the ZR4s not so much because they don't work, but because they false alert too much. Enter the LIs. The LIs rarely false, and even when they do, it is always accompanied by an "unknown gun" alert, so they are easy to pick out. Accompany this with the LIs unbeatable performance and you have the best jammers on the market.

    I have quite a few videos up on Youtube that shows how good the 9500ci radar detection is:

    YouTube - djrams80's Channel

    Here are the latest GOL 2008 laser jammer testing results with a few RD tests thrown in:

    Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR

    The 9500ci and LI is the best radar and LIDAR protection money can buy. The only thing that I think would help me any further is a CB, but I just can't do it because they are just too ugly.

    Edit: If ypu don't like false alerts, the STi-R is not for you. Nothing on the market will have as many false alerts as this bad boy.
    Last edited by djrams80; 09-10-2008 at 10:42 PM.

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    Default Re: Help choosing a remote.

    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80 View Post
    Here is my opinion. I think my setup is as good as it gets. It sounds like your budget is whatever it takes, kind of like me. I have a 9500ci and a quad LI. I have the 9500ci's jammers(ZR4s) installed just as a backup, in case the LIs take a dump. This setup gives me the best of both worlds.

    The setup like yours is what I have been leaning toward, mainly because of the rear detector.
    As far as the budget, it is not that I have a lot, I don't, but if you are going to try and protect yourself, would you rather have a .25 Raven or a Custom 1911?
    You either do with out or do it the best you can.

    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80 View Post
    The 9500ci is amazing. This is by far the best RD I've ever owned or used. It never goes off unless it's a real threat, just like your 9500ix, but with way more range. I stopped using RDs like you did for the exact same reason. After a few tickets, I bought an SRX and figured I'd just have to deal with false alerts. Then the 9500i was introduced, then the 9500ci. As you already know, the GPS features are the shiznit and make RDs useable again. The 9500ci also is updateable via your home PC's USB port. The biggest problem us users have with it is the rampup, but it shouldn't be too long before they get this fixed .
    I have been wowed by the 9500ix, how much better is the 9500ci?
    Even if it was not better I could live with it, the no false alerts are a very big deal for me, after a few trips around town, it is very quite unless there is a cop running radar.
    I am not knowledgeable enough to know that there is a ramp up issue, but, I will be, in time.

    My buddy that I borrowed the V1 from does not use his in his M5 unless he is out on a trip, he needs a good setup for the way he drives.



    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80 View Post
    I don't use the ZR4s not so much because they don't work, but because they false alert too much. Enter the LIs. The LIs rarely false, and even when they do, it is always accompanied by an "unknown gun" alert, so they are easy to pick out. Accompany this with the LIs unbeatable performance and you have the best jammers on the market.

    I have quite a few videos up on Youtube that shows how good the 9500ci radar detection is:

    YouTube - djrams80's Channel

    Here are the latest GOL 2008 laser jammer testing results with a few RD tests thrown in:

    Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR

    The 9500ci and LI is the best radar and LIDAR protection money can buy. The only thing that I think would help me any further is a CB, but I just can't do it because they are just too ugly.
    I will check out your vids, thank you.

    I have a question about the rears on the LI, if I mount them next to the rear plate on the C4, they will be inset about three inches because of the way the plate mounts on a ZR1 rear facia, will that be a problem?

    The Guys of LIDIAR are a site that I think is telling the truth, they have no "Dog in the Fight" as it were.

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    Default Re: Help choosing a remote.

    From looking at this one, your CI is worlds more sentsitive than my IX, man that was a long way out.

    YouTube - Escort, We Need the 9500ci's Rampup Fixed

    I surmise that by ramp up, that means how soon and quick a RD goes from off to full alert, at least from your vid.

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    It would be helpful if you told us why the V1 was not for you. What about it didn't set with you? If it was the noise, then I agree that the 9500ci would be your best choice. If the occasional false alert is not a big problem for you (it's not for a lot of us), then you might choose the STi-R just to avoid paying an extra $600 dollars for a jammer you don't want or need. The STi-R is a fine performer. It just doesn't have all that GPS programmable anti-falsing stuff. And with the money you save, it will almost pay for an LI.

    Not sure why you are sold on the "stealth" set-up, but be aware that we are beginning to hear some issues of them performing less than stellar in some traffic conditions. Especially on those two cars of yours, where the antennae would be mounted so very low. There is a reason why detector manufacturers and experts all recommend that an RD be mounted as high as possible. And that can't really be done with a remote unit.

    EDIT: You posted while I was composing my post, so you answered some questions I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker View Post
    It would be helpful if you told us why the V1 was not for you. What about it didn't set with you? If it was the noise, then I agree that the 9500ci would be your best choice. If the occasional false alert is not a big problem for you (it's not for a lot of us), then you might choose the STi-R just to avoid paying an extra $600 dollars for a jammer you don't want or need. The STi-R is a fine performer. It just doesn't have all that GPS programmable anti-falsing stuff. And with the money you save, it will almost pay for an LI.

    Not sure why you are sold on the "stealth" set-up, but be aware that we are beginning to hear some issues of them performing less than stellar in some traffic conditions. Especially on those two cars of yours, where the antennae would be mounted so very low. There is a reason why detector manufacturers and experts all recommend that an RD be mounted as high as possible. And that can't really be done with a remote unit.

    EDIT: You posted while I was composing my post, so you answered some questions I had.
    It seemed like it would just go off for no reason, a lot like the older, cheaper ones I had, so noise is a issue for me.

    I want one that goes off when there is a real threat, nothing against the V1, but I know myself, I would get to the point where I would turn it down or off, then soon it would end up in a closet.

    I think the GPS lock out is a good idea, time will tell on that one though.

    As far as being sold on the stealth part, three reasons.

    The first is human nature, most people try to do the job they have to do well, the police are, for the most part just like every one else.

    Some or many of them see RD's as a way of cheating them out of what they do.

    My buddy told me that even though he has not given a traffic ticket in ten years, he would be very tempted to so if some did something stupid and he pulled them over and found a RD.

    About the only time I get pulled over is when I have my head "Up and Locked".

    I guess what I mean is I do not want to advertise that I am running a RD.

    The second reason is, I am not really fond of things on my windshield and it is also a security issue, if a thief can see it, he can steal it.

    The third reason, with the remote install, it ain't going in the closet any time soon, once installed.

    The part about the low mount, is critical on the Corvette, it will be very low.
    That is a very real concern on the C4.

    I wish they made a single small remote mirror mount for K and KA that would plug into a good system.

    That is a thought, maybe I could machine a mount and try to mount the 9500ci receiver up high on the inside of the car on the mirror to try both locations.
    Last edited by ac4vette; 09-10-2008 at 11:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac4vette View Post
    The part about the low mount, is critical on the Corvette, it will be very low.
    That is a very real concern on the C4.

    I wish they made a single small remote mirror mount for K and KA that would plug into a good system.

    That is a thought, maybe I could machine a mount and try to mount the 9500ci receiver up high on the inside of the car on the mirror to try both locations.
    My 9500ci radar antenna is mounted dead center in the grill and it beats my V1 at least 95% of the time in any any all traffic conditions, sometimes by a lot. This concern that Stealth Stalker is talking about is not true at all. As long as the 9500ci has a clear view of the road, nothing can touch it sensitivity wise, at least as far as American radar threats are concerned.

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    Default Re: Help choosing a remote.

    First, welcome to RD.net, ac4vette! Some great rides you have there!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker View Post
    ...but be aware that we are beginning to hear some issues of them performing less than stellar in some traffic conditions. Especially on those two cars of yours, where the antennae would be mounted so very low. There is a reason why detector manufacturers and experts all recommend that an RD be mounted as high as possible. And that can't really be done with a remote unit.
    ^ I agree with djrams80's assessment.

    Although it is true that manufacturers of in-vehicle, stand-alone detector units typically advocate an "as high as possible" mounting within the vehicle greenhouse (when the question is solely one of RADAR detection), the picture that StealthStalker paints above is far from true.

    Even the previous-generation SR-series units have been seen to perform extremely well - on many occasions "besting" the V1 that's co-mounted in the same vehicle (and remember, here, this is a special case, as the SR's antenna is so far removed from the V1, that the two do not present a potential for conflict; this particular combination, actually, is favored by many enthusiasts, as it allows, for one thing, the ability to not only retain the directional capabilities of the V1, but also gain SpecDisplay on the SR), particularly when the vehicle itself is very low-to-the-ground.

    Although ancillary proof exists, the best actual demonstration is erickonphoenix's use of such a setup in his previous vehicle, a C6 'Vette, where he has repeatedly demonstrated this in many of his videos.

    Current speculation is that such a low-mounted RADAR antenna is essentially able to "see under" vehicles, just as an extreme-high-mount (that of, for example, RacerX's in-vehicle mount, in his previous-generation Toyota Tundra) is capable of "seeing over."

    ^ And that brings up another issue.

    It *is* possible - albeit very non-traditional - to place the RADAR antenna, SS, "in-vehicle." This does demand quite a bit of either aesthetic compromise, or, alternatively, would require extra work to visually conceal/make-appealing such a setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by ac4vette View Post
    It seemed like it would just go off for no reason, a lot like the older, cheaper ones I had, so noise is a issue for me.

    I want one that goes off when there is a real threat, nothing against the V1, but I know myself, I would get to the point where I would turn it down or off, then soon it would end up in a closet.
    "Detector desensitization" is a cardinal sin, no matter which detector you use.

    With the V1, it's mission in life is to report any and all signals, and let you, the end-user, be the final filter. Although this gives tremendous tactical advantage as full situational awareness, it can certainly also lead to desensitization.

    [ Aside: Undoubtedly, V1 proponents will step in, at this point, to say that the V1 can be quieted, not-insignificantly, with proper programming - however, at this point, the question then becomes one of end-user preference as well as experience, and also of increased risk from such "quieting" setups (thestaton's "reply videos" to the original 9500i marketing videos by Escort well demonstrates such extremes, with the author himself stating that such a quieting setup on the V1 would neither be practical nor appropriate, given the level of alert suppression that was necessary to achieve the academic scenario presented in that demonstration. Additionally, it should be noted that it *is* possible to even further quiet/mediate the output of the V1, via use of the Cheetah GPS-Mirror or the C100 stand-alone, and the proper detector link. ]

    Indeed, if your end-preferences are for a quieter detector, the Escorts are definitely going to be a better choice, and I think that you've been quite honest with yourself in this assessment, and that based on your preferences, it's indeed a most valid selection.

    As to the selection of a remote detector plus jammer -

    Based on your preferences, unfortunately, you'll simply have to spend the big bucks.

    The 9500ci is the only concealed choice that incorporates your required GPS-mediated false-rejection functions.

    I would say that, if you are funds-limited (due to the progress of your other projects), you should get the ci, first, temporarily mounting the Shifter heads - and then purchase the LI setup, and optimize Shifter and/or LI location thereafter.

    ----

    And just a word on the Escort detectors.

    Remember the technical limitations of TrueLock. Please, if you haven't already, read CJR's threat scenarios, and regard that as the Bible of modern Escort detector usage.

    TrueLock does work as-advertised, but it is still very much technically bound by its ability to "resolve" overlapping threats.

    As long as you properly interact with your detector - and part of this is proper risk-ratio assessment - you will be just fine.
    Last edited by TSi+WRX; 09-11-2008 at 06:58 AM.

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    ^^ DJ- "King of Stealth"?

    Who do you know...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80 View Post
    My 9500ci radar antenna is mounted dead center in the grill and it beats my V1 at least 95% of the time in any any all traffic conditions, sometimes by a lot. This concern that Stealth Stalker is talking about is not true at all. As long as the 9500ci has a clear view of the road, nothing can touch it sensitivity wise, at least as far as American radar threats are concerned.
    Thanks, I would much rather have it mounted in the front.

    I am a newbie on this stuff, but it would seem to me that in traffic that regardless of where it was mounted that the radar signal back scatter would be what most RD's would detect.

    That would have little bearing on where it antenna is mounted.

 

 

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