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    Default Radar Detectors--A foolish Investment??

    The traffic flow in the left lane on Highway 78 in New Jersey typically runs at speeds up to 80-85 mph. Of course this is a good day and these good days rarely occur on Monday. Traffic is heaviest on going east in the morning and the reverse in the afternoon. During the past 4-5 years of making a 30 mile commute on this road, I have mentally taken note of the absence of radar detectors in my fellow commuters cars. On any given day, I rarely see a detector. Nevertheless, the posted speed limit of 65mph is routinely unobserved. Today, a State Trooper came up from behind while I was doing 80 mph (and so was everyone else). I switch lanes, and he passed me. The other drivers ahead did likewise. This has occurred numerous times in the pass.

    Taking into consideration the information above, a number of questions are generated:

    1. Why would any of my fellow commuters ever need a radar detector? We really canít go much faster than the normal left-lane flow and if you stay in the flow, you wonít get a ticket.
    2. Seeing that so few drivers own a radar detector, why would the state of NJ invest in the latest technology (lasers, POP, etc.)?
    3. In PA, the state has invested in radar transmitting decoys. These decoys are everywhere and are very effective in reducing the benefit of radar detectorsóso why own one?

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    Being an NJ resident, I can say you are lucky to have such lenient police on highway 78. It will only be a matter of time before police start ticketing people, just wait until a bad accident happens and cops will be all over...

    Most of the state has cracked down on speeding, and since NJ car insurance is highest in the nation, I do not want to take any extra chances of recieving a speeding ticket and increasing my premiums to an even higher level. I would gladly pay three or four hundred now to avoid a 1000 dollar spike in insurance every year for the next three years.

    As for your observations of not many people owning radar detectors, keep in mind that many luxury brands like BMW, Benz, etc have concealed detectors built into them. Also, in my car you cannot see my detector because it is hidden at the very top of my windshield. Just yesterday I was pulled over in VA and did not take my detector down because it is so obscured in my car.

    You may be right in the fact that since you commute to work, you do not need a radar detector since you are flowing with traffic. However, just remember that even when you are flowing with traffic, a cop has the right to pull ANY car over if they are speeding. In order to avoid becoming the next victim, I use a detector as just another tool to keep me alert and ticket-free.

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    Default Do we really need a RD?

    Highway 78 is infested with State Troopers and I see many people pulled over. The the action is almost always on the other side of the highway where there is much less traffic and where it is much easier for the cops to highlight a speeder. As to luxuray cars having built in RDs, I have driven Bimmers and Acuras for the past 15 years and none of them had built in RDs. Of the people I know that have expensive cars, few if any own a RD.

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    I frequently drive through NJ and PA on my way school and love my radar detector, almost as much as my CB radio

    The radar decoys in PA are a fraction of which can be found in Cali....And you drive the road enough you know that where they are also with your eyes on the traffic ahead you can look at brakelights to see if it's a real cop.

    NJ would invest in new radar/laser technology because they think there is a good deal of detector users out there and they need an easy way to be invisible to detector users.

    If you only go with the flow of traffic always then a detector is not for you...

    I go with the flow of traffic, but the flow I follow averages above 85+mph. I like the fact that i know where the cops are. I laugh almost everytime i pass a speedtrap realizing, that i knew you were there and only if you were smarter you could of got me a mile down the road when i was well over the speed limit. Then i get on my CB and report the bear trap

    Through NJ is the one state where i feel comfortable doing 90-100 for awhile

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    I have seen LEO pull over car that are going with the flow. This one time I was going with the flow and I noticed a LEO coming from the back so I switched lanes. He kept going with the flow and then pulled a car not sure why. didn't understand it.

    Having a RD warn you to be carefull when LEOs are around, not much for speeding.

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    eb2cool, I think Beeej259 was talking about aftermarket custom remote mounted radar detectors like this
    not OEM/factory equipment detectors.

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    some car dealers do offer radar detectors.....

    over here some have been fitting the road angel gps as a optional extra to fleet buyers! vauxhall i think......

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    Honestly if someone doesnít feel that RD technology is worthy of buying....they simply donít need to buy it. I love it when people donít have RD's, the way ic it is the odds of them getting the ticket...is MUCH higher then me at any given point. (not to mention because I use them as my rabbit).
    Without an RD/CB (and yes a few other devices) it is literally impossible to tell that there is an LEO in the area unless they see/hear-sirens- the LEO. Both of these (especially at highway speeds and where LEO's hide) are pretty much not going to occur until the LEO can see already see(target) you....so the probability of ANY advanced warning is slim to none w/out a RD.(OrCB)
    Not to mention their use in just knowing an LEO is around....even if he may just cruising through the city somewhere...it can put you on your best driving behavior before the LEO has time to spot leisurely driving behaviors and possibly ticket you if you are to casual of a driver (IE: not using turn signals to change lanes...things like that).


    As for the post of higher end cars having built in RD's this is pretty much false (to my knowledge, not saying there arent *any* but for any practical purposes its false...however if I could be proven wrong on this point I think it would be cool to see what the integrated ones look like in most cars). I have seen one car (prototype not production thats the key) that has an RD pre-installed, (and have heard *never seen, so I cant confirm* very elite super-exotics coming with them... but not a little Beemer). I know many people who have BMWs -my neighbor included- (I wouldnít by any means call them a 'luxury' car... they really are nothing special.....but the general public doesnít think that) and in any case none (Ive heard of) have RD's. I talked to a BMW salesman I know concerning this post...he said he sells no BMW's with pre-equipped RD's (Maybe he is lying because they donít want people to know unless they buy them...like a conspiracy lol...but he said he doesnít carry any cars that have them installed and the odds of him lying to me are not very high) He did not comment as to whether they make them (some models).
    (Remember in some places they are illegal and can be confiscated.... this would not go over well with anyone). It is simply not plausible.

    I also highly doubt a Daimler-Chrysler would have an RD built in (as you say it does), and have never heard of one built in..

    I only know 1 person with a Bentley and his car is not equipped with an RD, he said no other cars (All Bentleys) that he looked at had an RD installed in them, not one).

    Remember many cars you think are luxury are owned by a parent company that oversees whats it little kids are doing and many have a *final say* in what is what in the offshoot.

    PS: I hate when people think BMW-BMW's are luxury cars. I believe BMW RollsRoyce is a luxury vehicle however.

    Examples of many 'luxury cars' owned by an 'average' or just buy another parent company. (PS they are all off the top of my head...I may have mistaken one...but unpon 2nd look they all look correct...I am sure I have forgotten some though.)

    Lexus: Toyota product
    Alfa Romeo: Fiat
    Bentley:VW
    Maybach: Daimler Chrysler
    Aston Martin: Ford
    Lamborghini: VW
    Infiniti: Nissan
    Benz, (Merc): Daimler Chrysler product
    Hummer: GM product
    Jaguar: Ford
    Bugatti: VW
    Ferrari: Fiat
    Acura: Honda (Never meant to be -are not- luxury...simply the American division of Honda created when imports where not doing strong, and to get a play into the domestic USA car market, Honda created a American divison to increase its sales.)

    So remember the parent companies (or should I say majority holders/investors) do often have a say into what the company can/cannot do (so if a parent company does not feel it good investing that a car should had an RD installed stock...the sub divison usually understands and they do not do it, (put in something the parent investor doesnt want) in the car. However most sub divisions do by most means have a pretty fair free-reign on resources uses and probably understand the RD thing would not really be a wise investment or major selling point...Because if anyone wnats an RD they can go out and buy the one they want for 50-500bucks (using amounts loosesly there) and car companies are all about selling points that no one has yet to come out with and no one could simply buy to add onto thier car (dent resistant panels... navigation systems...remember just a few years back these had been selling points, as most GPS systems to buy seperate from a car would have costed a pretty penny, but now as they become more common not many companies try and 'tote' them as a selling point)....maybe windshield wipers that turn on w/rain hitting them (via lexus aka toyota) will be the new thing for a few years).


    Some other companies with a parent (who the general public see as a completely seperate entity, which infact are not:

    All GM:
    GMC/Chevy/Saab/Pontiac/Saturn/Caddy/Buick (Many more)

    All Ford:
    Lincoln/Volvo/Mercury

    All D-C:
    Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Eagle

    (A note on Eagle....technically Eagle was an attempt by the main stake holder of mitsubishi (DC) to team up...basically take plans of certain cars and remake them as the eagle line....Ever wonder why Eagle Talons/Mits Eclipses have essentially the EXACT same look and parts interchangability....well there you go).


    On this rant to(about rather) the general public: I hate when the so called sub division of 'Dodge' states that they have 'Hemi-power' and you see idoits with a truck that say 'HEMI' on it, what losers....considering nearly EVERY SINGLE car on the road has a 'HEMI' engine...all it reffers to is the HEMIspherical cylinder heads. It is just a patented name by Dodge, so they are the only ones that can use the name....nearly every other car 95% percent on the road has a 'hemi' engine in it (engine with hemispherical cylinder head)....just dont have the trademakr patented name (from around the 1950's) that dodge has. Honestly who are the *beeps* that think they are special because they have...HEMI-Power...well guess what everyone has Hemispherical cylinder head power ...as opposed to flat. ('Pent-power' will replace this soon as it is more efficient then 'Hemi-power' maybe then it will shame the hemi *beeps* into taking those stickers off their trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirMoore
    On this rant to(about rather) the general public: I hate when the so called sub division of 'Dodge' states that they have 'Hemi-power' and you see idoits with a truck that say 'HEMI' on it, what losers....considering nearly EVERY SINGLE car on the road has a 'HEMI' engine...all it reffers to is the HEMIspherical cylinder heads. It is just a patented name by Dodge, so they are the only ones that can use the name....nearly every other car 95% percent on the road has a 'hemi' engine in it (engine with hemispherical cylinder head)....just dont have the trademakr patented name (from around the 1950's) that dodge has. Honestly who are the *beeps* that think they are special because they have...HEMI-Power...well guess what everyone has Hemispherical cylinder head power ...as opposed to flat. ('Pent-power' will replace this soon as it is more efficient then 'Hemi-power' maybe then it will shame the hemi *beeps* into taking those stickers off their trucks.
    Wow...SOMEONE didn't get their hemi last Christmas!

    (As I wrote that, I remembered that my Corolla was due for an oil change.)

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    Actually many cars are termed as "hemi" but the combustion chambers are typically not perfectly hemispherical like the original Chrysler Hemi of the 1950's. (and aeroplane engines from where the technology came).

    In fact the new Hemi isn't hemispherical at all...

    No car maker offers a radar-detection system as standard or optional equipment. Many high-end car dealerships however do offer a service to install a remote-mounted unit. Escort, Beltronics and others have contracts with dealers to do this.

 

 

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