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    Default Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    I've been researching radar detectors and laser jammers for the past few months, and used this forum for a large portion of it. I know I am most likely getting the Escort Redline and Laser Interceptor dual... once that tax return comes in

    I have some questions about actually using these devices and how to drive with them, these may be noobish questions to some of you but I at least have a fairly good idea about this whole thing since I've been reading up on it for a while.

    First some background info on my driving habits...

    I've had a license for 8 years. I got two speeding tickets in the first 2 years, and none since. Most of my daily driving is on public roads where its either not an option to speed, or I just don't have any reason to make up time.

    However, when I'm on the interstate, its usually for longer distances (2+hrs), and I travel like this at least once a month. On the interstate I set cruise control to 9mph over. I know 10mph over is the magic number where cops start pulling people over, but I know they can and will pull you for 5 over, which makes me nervous doing 9 over. And on 2+ hour trips, averaging a few mph more adds up to a lot of time.

    So, basically the reason I am getting a RD/LJ, is so when I'm on the interstate I don't have to worry as much about speeding, and therefore able to make up a lot of time.

    So onto some questions...

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    Lets say I have my redline and LI installed and tested to work properly. What is a reasonable amount over the PSL I can drive on the interstate, assuming I know how to work everything? I believe this will change for the time of day, especially night/day, who else is on the road if anyone at all, and the terrain, etc.

    Going along with that question, what are the actual driving techniques for different situations? I read about follow a rabbit, etc. I'd rather not have to do that though. Also slowing down over the crest of a hill.

    Next question is, does a radar detector pick up laser? I will have a jammer, but if cars ahead of me are getting hit by laser, will my detector alert me of that?

    I've seen a lot of laser guns tagging cars in videos online, but none for radar. Where does a cop with a radar gun have to be in relation to you to pick up your speed? For instance, if I'm driving on the interstate with trees thickly separating the two sides, and a cop is sitting in that, can he get me as I pass in that split second?

    Thats it for now. I'm sure I'll post on here when I finally get all this to install. Basically looking for specific tips on how to effectively use a RD/LJ and how fast over the PSL I can 'safely' go.

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Stigs Cousin View Post
    So onto some questions...

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    Lets say I have my redline and LI installed and tested to work properly. What is a reasonable amount over the PSL I can drive on the interstate, assuming I know how to work everything? I believe this will change for the time of day, especially night/day, who else is on the road if anyone at all, and the terrain, etc.
    It really all depends on what you are comfortable driving. I'm usually in the low to mid 20s. on the interstate low teens to upper teens on city roads depending on how many lanes there are.

    Going along with that question, what are the actual driving techniques for different situations? I read about follow a rabbit, etc. I'd rather not have to do that though. Also slowing down over the crest of a hill.
    I usually don't have a rabbit because there aren't that many people that drive as fast as I do. I try to keep it at a max of 10 over when I go over hills without a rabbit so I have time to spot a cop and hopefully be able to slow down to below his threshold if he chooses to hit me with instant on radar. On straight roads I just try to jump from one group of cars to another without leaving myself in the open for a long period of time.

    Next question is, does a radar detector pick up laser? I will have a jammer, but if cars ahead of me are getting hit by laser, will my detector alert me of that?
    It is very unlikely that your detector will alert to laser before the officer is actually targeting you. I've only picked up scatter once before I was hit and during the spring and summer months I'm shot around 4 times per week.

    I've seen a lot of laser guns tagging cars in videos online, but none for radar. Where does a cop with a radar gun have to be in relation to you to pick up your speed? For instance, if I'm driving on the interstate with trees thickly separating the two sides, and a cop is sitting in that, can he get me as I pass in that split second?
    There is an effect on radar called a cosine error, it also happens with laser. The larger the angle the officer is from the road, the lower the speed his radar unit will read. An officer can be both perpendicular to the road using a handheld unit or parallel to the road using a front or rear antenna which are on swivel mounts in the cars so they can turn. As long as a cop is within a reasonable angle of your car, he can get an accurate speed reading.

    Thats it for now. I'm sure I'll post on here when I finally get all this to install. Basically looking for specific tips on how to effectively use a RD/LJ and how fast over the PSL I can 'safely' go.
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    It really depends on how developed your situational awareness is. I routinely drive 20+ over PSL, but I get as many eye saves or "spider sense" saves as I get from my countermeasures.

    I got 2 saves today because I saw the trap before anyone else and reacted. Those right in front of me each time were not as fortunate!

    Drive as you normally do after you get your countermeasures installed. Learn how they react, but more importantly learn how your opponent uses his tools of the trade. Learn to anticipate where a likely ambush will be waiting and drive appropriately. As you learn your comfort level with your equipment and abilities increases.

    You cannot drive fast with distractions, this will lead to getting pwned. Countermeasures help even the playing field, they don't make invincible.
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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    Quote Originally Posted by category4 View Post
    It really depends on how developed your situational awareness is. I routinely drive 20+ over PSL, but I get as many eye saves or "spider sense" saves as I get from my countermeasures.

    I got 2 saves today because I saw the trap before anyone else and reacted. Those right in front of me each time were not as fortunate!

    Drive as you normally do after you get your countermeasures installed. Learn how they react, but more importantly learn how your opponent uses his tools of the trade. Learn to anticipate where a likely ambush will be waiting and drive appropriately. As you learn your comfort level with your equipment and abilities increases.

    You cannot drive fast with distractions, this will lead to getting pwned. Countermeasures help even the playing field, they don't make invincible.
    I've been driving for years avoiding tickets by being aware. Even though I might have only been doing 9 over, I feel like I see anything as quickly as possible and get to the brake if need be just as fast.

    Its still unclear to me how to use a radar detector. Can a cop just turn on his gun when he sees me which will not give my detector enough time to alert me before he gets my speed? Should there be cars on the road ahead of me if I'm speeding to avoid this?

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Stigs Cousin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by category4 View Post
    It really depends on how developed your situational awareness is. I routinely drive 20+ over PSL, but I get as many eye saves or "spider sense" saves as I get from my countermeasures.

    I got 2 saves today because I saw the trap before anyone else and reacted. Those right in front of me each time were not as fortunate!

    Drive as you normally do after you get your countermeasures installed. Learn how they react, but more importantly learn how your opponent uses his tools of the trade. Learn to anticipate where a likely ambush will be waiting and drive appropriately. As you learn your comfort level with your equipment and abilities increases.

    You cannot drive fast with distractions, this will lead to getting pwned. Countermeasures help even the playing field, they don't make invincible.
    Can a cop just turn on his gun when he sees me which will not give my detector enough time to alert me before he gets my speed? Should there be cars on the road ahead of me if I'm speeding to avoid this?
    Yes and yes. I like to have at least one car around 1/4-1/2 mile ahead of me for the officer to shoot first if he is using instant on. If they are within that range, with a high end detector such as the Redline, you should have no problem picking them up.

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Stigs Cousin View Post
    Can a cop just turn on his gun when he sees me which will not give my detector enough time to alert me before he gets my speed? Should there be cars on the road ahead of me if I'm speeding to avoid this?
    Yes. This is instant on, or quick trigger. And this is exactly why you drive with a rabbit. A smart speeder will ALWAYS drive with a rabbit. Speeding without cars on the road and no rabbit is just asking to get instant owned.

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    Lets say I have my redline and LI installed and tested to work properly. What is a reasonable amount over the PSL I can drive on the interstate, assuming I know how to work everything? I believe this will change for the time of day, especially night/day, who else is on the road if anyone at all, and the terrain, etc.

    Here are what my usual speeds are ...

    Highway/State Road (Day) - +30-40

    Highway/State Road (Night) - Usually +25-29. The reckless speed in PA is +30, and the fine on top of a speeding ticket for reckless driving is $600. So I try not to take that risk at night when there's less traffic. However, sometimes I get ballsy and just say f**k it. It all depends on what you are willing to risk .

    Residential/Country Road (Day) - +15-20

    Residential/Country Road (Night) - +15-20

    *****NOW KEEP THIS IN MIND. You live in North Carolina. North Carolina has THE WORST speeding laws in the US. Anything 15+/80+ is a MANDATORY 30 day license suspension. I wouldn't recommend speeding close to +15/80+. You picked the worst state to live in bro ... Lol


    Going along with that question, what are the actual driving techniques for different situations? I read about follow a rabbit, etc. I'd rather not have to do that though. Also slowing down over the crest of a hill.

    99 Percent of the time, I don't have a rabbit because I can never find one fast enough for me. Now, in your case, finding a rabbit that will do like +9-15 shouldn't be hard. I would definitely recommend using one with NCs draconian speed laws. Lol

    Next question is, does a radar detector pick up laser? I will have a jammer, but if cars ahead of me are getting hit by laser, will my detector alert me of that?

    Yes, a radar detector can pick up laser scatter, but I wouldn't bank on it.


    I've seen a lot of laser guns tagging cars in videos online, but none for radar. Where does a cop with a radar gun have to be in relation to you to pick up your speed? For instance, if I'm driving on the interstate with trees thickly separating the two sides, and a cop is sitting in that, can he get me as I pass in that split second?

    There are quite a few videos online of people getting shot with radar. I have some in my youtube channel if you want to check them out (link in my sig). Also, yes, a cop can get you in a split second as you pass him. Some cops will shoot you in the rear.
    Last edited by SteadySpeedin; 02-03-2011 at 05:37 PM.

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    Thanks Steady, thats what I was looking for. Hope to get more replies still.

    From what I've gathered, VA and CA are worse than NC? But anyways doesnt matter.. good to know NC has strict laws. Better thing is most of my hwy trips take me out of NC into SC, and its only an hour to get to SC. So I'll be more cautious in NC.

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    ouch, double post. I've never had that happen in my thousands of posts to forums

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    Default Re: Going from Zero Countermeasures to Detector/Jammers

    VA and NC are way worse than CA as far as traffic laws.
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