V1 + M45 or Passport 9500ci in Cayenne Turbo with Adpative Cruise Control

[Rex32]

Hey Guys,

A friend of mine's Mom just purchased a 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo and after a drive to the beach she has already decided that she wants to follow my advice and get a radar detector ASAP. Personally, I've had a V1 in my car for the last 10 years and can't drive without it, but her main concern is removing falses and it begin relatively quiet unless it is a legit source. This is why I am leaning towards the Passport 9500ci over the V1/M45.

Here is why:

The Auto-Learn feature with the GPS.
The camera database and speed trap database.
Completely built-into the vehicle
She won't miss the arrows because she never had a V1...

I know those aren't the best reasons, but those are the only ones I can come up with thus far.

Is there any reliable way to add GPS to the V1? I was considering just shutting off X and K bands as the majority of the police in the area solely use KA and sometimes Laser but I would just feel like a fool if she got pulled over with a 2k radar setup that I installed!

She really doesn't want to have her detector peeping all the time and I must say that my V1 doesn't shut up, ever.

I do have one other pretty large concern, the Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Change Assist features. I've read that both of these will set off the V1 and 9500 on many cars, but I haven't found any direct information about the Cayenne. I did try the V1 in her car for a day when I borrowed it and I don't recall getting a large number of faults or any laser warnings, but I wanted to check none the less.

I have an unlimited budget to accomplish this, would you guys be able to assist me in figuring out the optimal setup? I purchased a 9500ix so I could test out the overall functionality and whatnot of the Passport and will be picking it up tomorrow.

I've read that there are some GPS add-ons for the V1 but again I can't find any really complete information. I also have never used the Blinder M45 but I have been told that is the best of the best when it comes to laser jammers... true?


Cliffnotes Version: No budget, best all around protection and coverage, quiet setup with minimal falses, must not be set off my adaptive cruise control or lane change assist and must be 75% concealed (IE a V1 above the mirror is OK but not dead center on the windshield)


Thanks so much and sorry for the extremely long post, I'm sure you guys will have some amazing ideas!


Thanks,

Mike

[Vette6893]

Based on your information I would go with the STiR Plus and a good set of lasted interceptors. It has state of the art protection and GPS to reduce the falses. Just be aware that some vehicles adaptive cruise will create false alerts but the ride will still be much quoted because other false alerts have been suppressed. Read up on the STi R Plus, the band segmentation and the fact that you don't have to use the junky laser protection in the 9500ci make this the clear choice. Good luck,

[yellowcab]

She can turn off the adaptive cruise control and lane change assist. I would get the STiR+ for radar and Laser Interceptor with three heads for the front of the car. Place the on jammer head above the license plate the other ones between the LED driving lights and head lights.

Where are you located?

[upstatedoc]

I would get the STiR+ for radar and Laser Interceptor with three heads for the front of the car. Place the on jammer head above the license plate the other ones between the LED driving lights and head lights.

thiiiiis^^

for the amount of money she dropped on that rig it sounds like she can afford the best

[Silverado12]

Based on your information I would go with the STiR Plus and a good set of lasted interceptors. It has state of the art protection and GPS to reduce the falses. Just be aware that some vehicles adaptive cruise will create false alerts but the ride will still be much quoted because other false alerts have been suppressed. Read up on the STi R Plus, the band segmentation and the fact that you don't have to use the junky laser protection in the 9500ci make this the clear choice. Good luck,

x2, perfect advice. With an unlimited budget, get a Bel Sti-R+ and some LI's. It won't cost much more than a 9500ci, but will offer more reliable protection.

[Rex32]

I don't know a thing about the STiR Plus, time to start doing some research.

I saw an interface that uses the display on the MB S & CL Class in the dash where the speedometer is, there is a full LCD screen to the right of the Tach on the Cayenne, any chance some sort of device is in the works to display the V1 or 9500 information there?

Thanks for the great ideas guys!


-Mike

[yellowcab]

The Beltronics StiR+ is a 9500ci without the ZR4 laser jammers, and has better software that enables it to be a better radar detector than the 9500ci.

There are many high end car stereo installers that can domaine very nice interior installs, some are able to intergrate the RD alerts to the cars OEM systems. There are some off the self systems that will integrate a RD with OEM systems, but I am not aware of one for Porsches. The problem with most car stereo installers is that they do awesome interior installs, but they do not knoW anything about placement of radar antenna or laser jammer heads. Combined with the problem that do not know what laser jammers and installed RDs work well, most carry lesser products, based more on marketing BS by the manufacturers than product performance. An example is the Escort 9500ci, a very good installed RD, only second to it's sister the Beltronics STiR+, but the ZR4 laser jammers do not test well against other laser jammers. There is another product that markets well, and is carried by a local to me high end stereo shop, the owners car placed in the top 10 for an automotive aftermarket stereo sound compition, but the product is the worst in the industry as far as performance.

If you asked the members here or on any radardetector forum, what is the best intalled RD they will vote for the STiR, hands down. If you asked what is the best Laser Jammer, most will say the Laser Interceptor, although Blinder has a loyal following.

To see other Cayenne installations look at Porsche forums such ad Rennlist, Planet9, and sixspeedonline. Also look at other radar detector forums, and laser jammer forums, be aware that the ones run by vendors and manufacturers may be biased towards products they produce or sell.

We at East Coast Countermeasure Testing Group (ECCTG) hold testing sessions where we test your laser jammer installation with the same laser guns used today by police departments across the country. We do have spare sets of Laser Interceptor and other laser jammers, to do temporary installations to show those who attend our meets how to improve their installation.

Look around, come back here or to any independent radar detector forum with the information you have found, and we will be more than happy to give our opinions. Ask questions. We are here to help.

www.radardetectorforum.org has many articles that will be helpful.

[Silverado12]

I don't know a thing about the STiR Plus, time to start doing some research.

I saw an interface that uses the display on the MB S & CL Class in the dash where the speedometer is, there is a full LCD screen to the right of the Tach on the Cayenne, any chance some sort of device is in the works to display the V1 or 9500 information there?

Thanks for the great ideas guys!


-Mike

Both the 9500ci and Sti-R+ have the same hardware, just different software, and the Sti-R+ has two huge features that the CI lacks: Ka segmentation and the option to disable the radar detector rejection software that's built into every Belscort detector. By disabling the RDR software and only enabling the segments of the Ka band that are used in the U.S.A. (33.8,34.7,35.5), you can supercharge the Ka response times and improve all-out range by eliminating the computer's filtering. Besides, once the Ka band is segmented, RDR is no longer necessary to filter out false alarms from leaky radar detectors because you will have defeated the segments where these typically leak (33.6 & 34.5). Disabling the RDR is truly what boosts the performance.

Check out this reaction time testing for evidence:

http://www.escortradarforum.com/foru...ead.php?t=1560

Also, check out this video from 'Woodscolby'. The Sti-R also has the same M3 antenna as the Redline, but with segmentation & RDR disabled, the Sti-R beat it by a full 18 seconds. Doing this same test with a 9500ci should theoretically provide the same result.



Plus, when you go with the Sti-R+, you'll save $400 over the 9500ci since it doesn't include the laser shifters. So, you can take that money you save and put it towards the higher performance offering of a Laser Interceptor. At the end of the day, you'll have much better laser protection and supercharged Ka performance for only a few extra $$$. It's a win win.

[Rex32]

Yellowcab, what an amazing response! Thanks so much!

I didn't know the StiR was a built in solution, sounds like the way to go and then add a laser interceptor.

Silverado, thanks for posting that video that is crazy how soon the StiR picked up the cop and the sounds are much better!

Is there a way to integrate the LI and the StiR to work together?

I've done plenty of V1 hardwires but never a full install, what is the best way to do this - especially with two separate devices? Would I it be best to create a new direct line to the battery and put in a relay and what not?

Another issue I know I am going to have that I'm sure you guys will be able to provide a work around for is this. The Cayenne shuts off while holding the brake at a redlight and turns back on when the brake pedal is lifted so there isn't a delay when the gas is hit. Anyway, apparently the voltage in the car drops to under 9V for a millisecond which is just enough to restart the 9500ci, and presumable the StiR/LI. I spoke with a guy who does custom installs and he said the only way he has found around this is to rig a 12V battery into the relay that kicks in the the voltage drops, would you guys be able to help me put this together?

I'd be happy to pay someone to help consult me in setting this up, or if someone wants to help in the install. I'm located in Delaware but the truck is in PA and I would be happy to meet somewhere or something.

Yellowcab, you said you from the East Coast - what part?


Thanks so much guys, time for more research!

EDIT:

How would this be for an install location:



I'm thinking of the areas to the left and right of the center of the Cayenne where it is set it a bit...

-Mike

[Rex32]

And perhaps the Laser in Red & the Radar in Yellow:



Does the STiR have dual or single rear sensor(s)? Could I stack Laser & Radar sensors in the rear in those pockets?


Thx,

Mike