What happened to all the activity on this forum?

[Hessen]

I believe there is much more to that story.

1) forum was grossly mismanaged and eventually was neglected.
2) the negative climate by some posters discouraged support of manufacturers who were here to support the consumer and created and mean-spirited climate which discouraged members from posting
3) one unscrupulous mfr operative (and his army of supporters at any cost) undermined the cohesiveness of the members here over a long period of time
4) forum software had been technically flawed for years and was broken

With respect to your commentary about LEOs, etc. some forums have now been moved out of public view
and with Roy back involved (Hayneedle didn't really understand this forum and this industry) and with new forum management I hope better days are ahead for this community.

VG

Excellent points. If I may add some points.

#1 - Yes the forum was mismanaged. That said Roy needs to own a lot of that on. His appointment of some Admins and Mods from the get go I could only shake my head in amazement. Then they were allowed to carry on unchecked. One in particular who IMO was/is a 1st class jerk but had his nose glued to Roy's butt.

#2 - A Lot of that negativity came from the aforementioned Admins and their cronies.

#3 - On this I will name the party. Neil Brown and Drivesmart was the first nail in the coffin of this forum. That's when a lot of fighting, and personal agendas started. Which all lead up to the dDos attack taking this forum down. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but if Brown and his army of Shills had of been knee capped early on a lot could have been prevented.

#4 - After the "Attack" one Admin (The Staton) did a lot of work on this forum only to be stabbed in the back over politics.

There is so much more I could bring up, most of it negative. Hopefully history will not repeat itself.

Those that don't remember or learn from history are destined to repeat it.

As far as LEO's go. They are on EVERY countermeasure forum. Accept it. Cops aren't stupid. So be mindful of what you post and what your share.

[Veil Guy]

I believe there is much more to that story.

1) forum was grossly mismanaged and eventually was neglected.
2) the negative climate by some posters discouraged support of manufacturers who were here to support the consumer and created and mean-spirited climate which discouraged members from posting
3) one unscrupulous mfr operative (and his army of supporters at any cost) undermined the cohesiveness of the members here over a long period of time
4) forum software had been technically flawed for years and was broken

With respect to your commentary about LEOs, etc. some forums have now been moved out of public view
and with Roy back involved (Hayneedle didn't really understand this forum and this industry) and with new forum management I hope better days are ahead for this community.

VG

Excellent points. If I may add some points.

#1 - Yes the forum was mismanaged. That said Roy needs to own a lot of that on. His appointment of some Admins and Mods from the get go I could only shake my head in amazement. Then they were allowed to carry on unchecked. One in particular who IMO was/is a 1st class jerk but had his nose glued to Roy's butt.

#2 - A Lot of that negativity came from the aforementioned Admins and their cronies.

#3 - On this I will name the party. Neil Brown and Drivesmart was the first nail in the coffin of this forum. That's when a lot of fighting, and personal agendas started. Which all lead up to the dDos attack taking this forum down. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but if Brown and his army of Shills had of been knee capped early on a lot could have been prevented.

#4 - After the "Attack" one Admin (The Staton) did a lot of work on this forum only to be stabbed in the back over politics.

There is so much more I could bring up, most of it negative. Hopefully history will not repeat itself.

Those that don't remember or learn from history are destined to repeat it.

As far as LEO's go. They are on EVERY countermeasure forum. Accept it. Cops aren't stupid. So be mindful of what you post and what your share.

Appreciate your perspective!

I remember even before that, there was a individual who's online handle was JTW. I believe that individual threw grenades to start the divisions and disrupt the harmony.

I haven't given much thought to Neil and company, but I recall that as well, now that you mentioned it.

IMO, it seemed at the time up through LI, that the disruptions to harmony were instigated by jammer companies who were marketing to the enthusiasts here that were uncaring about the fact that they were patent infringing. That, IMO, was damaging to the vendors that had been supporting this forum since its inception in 2004. The enthusiasts at the time, didn't care about the fact that Blinder was being undermined only that the products were higher performing.

I also agree, that Roy was hands-off too much which "encouraged" (for lack of a better word) the activity that served to undermine this forum over the years. It only got worse when Roy sold his company to Hayneedle, who didn't have a clue about what this forum was supposed to be about.

Whether we can all agree or not on the precise history, I trust we will all be wiser for the wear and with our collective experiences and perspectives, we will all do it better this time around!

Thanks again for sharing your perspective, Hessen and continuing to participate.

VG

[CJR238]

Its as simple as this, a business is in business to make money, maybe even have a truly great product. But would anyone want business running government? How about running our Schools? Absolutely not, heck its bad enough businesses have there hands in government as it is, we wouldn't want them taking over more than they already have.
There is a huge difference between a 100% enthusiast run forum and one run by a Manufacturer or vendor, to not see that logically and from passed and present actions is just not being truthful to ones self or the community. There is also a big difference in the normal forum drama you speak of and Manufacturers and vendors doing there best to sell sell sell any way they can. I recall a title "V1 is lacking innovation" as apposed to a simple difference of opinion that created another great testing group. But i digress.

There is nothing wrong with a Manufacturer or vendor having a forum, i actually support the idea (have for years, i was ERF first enthusiast Mod). But don't try to make it something its not, be honest about it and what its purpose is. And that's to have a healthy and growing/expanding consumer base and get these people to buy buy buy so the Manufacturers and vendors can make $ $ $ (Larry/ER was very open with this fact). Don't try to make the forum look/sound like something its not with "hidden" forums that still include old members who were/are LEO's (Roy should count, but i was not implying him), or evade the clarity by stating having Man/Ven's Mod/Admin's don't effect what goes on. I would rather not list the endless historical issues having Man/Ven running RD.net, but it seems many have already pointed out just a few and its clear it was a big issue from beginning to even its new inception.

But as you and others have implied the precise history will make us all wiser for the wear (if we listen) and hopefully help the community grow for the over all benefit of the enthusiast. Just be honest about its purpose as you did in your last post to me and i think it will get there.

[Veil Guy]

Its as simple as this, a business is in business to make money, maybe even have a truly great product. But would anyone want business running government? How about running our Schools? Absolutely not, heck its bad enough businesses have there hands in government as it is, we wouldn't want them taking over more than they already have.
There is a huge difference between a 100% enthusiast run forum and one run by a Manufacturer or vendor, to not see that logically and from passed and present actions is just not being truthful to ones self or the community. There is also a big difference in the normal forum drama you speak of and Manufacturers and vendors doing there best to sell sell sell any way they can. I recall a title "V1 is lacking innovation" as apposed to a simple difference of opinion that created another great testing group. But i digress.

There is nothing wrong with a Manufacturer or vendor having a forum, i actually support the idea (have for years, i was ERF first enthusiast Mod). But don't try to make it something its not, be honest about it and what its purpose is. And that's to have a healthy and growing/expanding consumer base and get these people to buy buy buy so the Manufacturers and vendors can make $ $ $ (Larry/ER was very open with this fact). Don't try to make the forum look/sound like something its not with "hidden" forums that still include old members who were/are LEO's (Roy should count, but i was not implying him), or evade the clarity by stating having Man/Ven's Mod/Admin's don't effect what goes on. I would rather not list the endless historical issues having Man/Ven running RD.net, but it seems many have already pointed out just a few and its clear it was a big issue from beginning to even its new inception.

But as you and others have implied the precise history will make us all wiser for the wear (if we listen) and hopefully help the community grow for the over all benefit of the enthusiast. Just be honest about its purpose as you did in your last post to me and i think it will get there.

LOL. Don't get me started on the Government. With respect to schools, we've seen what the Gov local (and otherwise) have done to them. Healthcare, please don't get me started. Some view the Gov AS the problem. LOL. The great thing about business, is that companies are held to account, both by economics and the marketplace alike. Gov has little accountability. Charter schools are very successful at educating as well as private schools (without Gov interference to a large extent).

I am not in agreement with the notion that vendors sell sell sell any way they can. The exception, I feel, is with price and whoring product out. Look no further than a lot of amazon dealers (some sponsored by mfrs, such as Escort, to be brutally honest). Undermining the channel is "selling any way they can."

This forum is replete with information to allow potential or existing consumers to become educated or even more educated consumers.

With respect to the V1 article you mentioned or any others, I believe that took place off site.

As far as I am aware, I have not seen posts by any members that have been providing disinformation to "push" one product over another. My very vocal support for the V1c (even over the highly revered RL) is well known even here. Provided this continues, the marketplace and hence the overall industry will thrive.

I have said it a million times, our extended enthusiast group needs to grow beyond a mere hundred or so active participants. The Internet is replete with information here and beyond. Provided that the content and members here provide informed and true posts (even if individual members don't agree on the specifics), the community benefits.

I'd rather do business with Roy, Tom, or Danny than a faceless "dealer" fronting on Amazon. I personally know that Roy is always there to provide support to the consumer, answers the phone personally and provides exceptional customer service (I would say better than some mfrs).

With respect to forums that are not out of general public view, the old LEOs you speak of no longer (going forward) will be able to view them. Can't change the history of what went on, but going forward things should be better.

With respect to the choices today, you really can't go wrong with purchasing any detector.

Pretty much with Escort you have M4s and M3s. That's basically it. The V1C is the V1C. The top of the line value priced Whistlers are great values at their lower price points. I would argue even the top-of-the-line Cobra is not an embarrassment.

With respect to the actives, you've got ALP, LI, and Blinder basically. There really is not a bad one in the lot. Sure the ALP can foil the latest guns that the others haven't been able to, but overall they each have their supporters and for good reason.

Of course on the passive side, you've got Veil and Ontrack products.

Basically that's it in a nutshell.

I believe there really is no bad detector choice today.

When I see Roy "pushing" RMR (never going to happen LOL), then I would have concern.

But from what I have seen here, this forum is running true and the conclusions and information that is being posted by our current members is consistent with posts on the other forums.

I hope more senior members (like yourself) will consider adding your voices here. Only good things can come from it.

VG

[PointerCone]

Its as simple as this, a business is in business to make money, maybe even have a truly great product. But would anyone want business running government? How about running our Schools? Absolutely not, heck its bad enough businesses have there hands in government as it is, we wouldn't want them taking over more than they already have.
There is a huge difference between a 100% enthusiast run forum and one run by a Manufacturer or vendor, to not see that logically and from passed and present actions is just not being truthful to ones self or the community. There is also a big difference in the normal forum drama you speak of and Manufacturers and vendors doing there best to sell sell sell any way they can. I recall a title "V1 is lacking innovation" as apposed to a simple difference of opinion that created another great testing group. But i digress.

There is nothing wrong with a Manufacturer or vendor having a forum, i actually support the idea (have for years, i was ERF first enthusiast Mod). But don't try to make it something its not, be honest about it and what its purpose is. And that's to have a healthy and growing/expanding consumer base and get these people to buy buy buy so the Manufacturers and vendors can make $ $ $ (Larry/ER was very open with this fact). Don't try to make the forum look/sound like something its not with "hidden" forums that still include old members who were/are LEO's (Roy should count, but i was not implying him), or evade the clarity by stating having Man/Ven's Mod/Admin's don't effect what goes on. I would rather not list the endless historical issues having Man/Ven running RD.net, but it seems many have already pointed out just a few and its clear it was a big issue from beginning to even its new inception.

But as you and others have implied the precise history will make us all wiser for the wear (if we listen) and hopefully help the community grow for the over all benefit of the enthusiast. Just be honest about its purpose as you did in your last post to me and i think it will get there.

LOL. Don't get me started on the Government. With respect to schools, we've seen what the Gov local (and otherwise) have done to them. Healthcare, please don't get me started. Some view the Gov AS the problem. LOL. The great thing about business, is that companies are held to account, both by economics and the marketplace alike. Gov has little accountability. Charter schools are very successful at educating as well as private schools (without Gov interference to a large extent).

I am not in agreement with the notion that vendors sell sell sell any way they can. The exception, I feel, is with price and whoring product out. Look no further than a lot of amazon dealers (some sponsored by mfrs, such as Escort, to be brutally honest). Undermining the channel is "selling any way they can."

This forum is replete with information to allow potential or existing consumers to become educated or even more educated consumers.

With respect to the V1 article you mentioned or any others, I believe that took place off site.

As far as I am aware, I have not seen posts by any members that have been providing disinformation to "push" one product over another. My very vocal support for the V1c (even over the highly revered RL) is well known even here. Provided this continues, the marketplace and hence the overall industry will thrive.

I have said it a million times, our extended enthusiast group needs to grow beyond a mere hundred or so active participants. The Internet is replete with information here and beyond. Provided that the content and members here provide informed and true posts (even if individual members don't agree on the specifics), the community benefits.

I'd rather do business with Roy, Tom, or Danny than a faceless "dealer" fronting on Amazon. I personally know that Roy is always there to provide support to the consumer, answers the phone personally and provides exceptional customer service (I would say better than some mfrs).

With respect to forums that are not out of general public view, the old LEOs you speak of no longer (going forward) will be able to view them. Can't change the history of what went on, but going forward things should be better.

With respect to the choices today, you really can't go wrong with purchasing any detector.

Pretty much with Escort you have M4s and M3s. That's basically it. The V1C is the V1C. The top of the line value priced Whistlers are great values at their lower price points. I would argue even the top-of-the-line Cobra is not an embarrassment.

With respect to the actives, you've got ALP, LI, and Blinder basically. There really is not a bad one in the lot. Sure the ALP can foil the latest guns that the others haven't been able to, but overall they each have their supporters and for good reason.

Of course on the passive side, you've got Veil and Ontrack products.

Basically that's it in a nutshell.

I believe there really is no bad detector choice today.

When I see Roy "pushing" RMR (never going to happen LOL), then I would have concern.

But from what I have seen here, this forum is running true and the conclusions and information that is being posted by our current members is consistent with posts on the other forums.

I hope more senior members (like yourself) will consider adding your voices here. Only good things can come from it.

VG

See my bold above. BOB, do you really believe that stuff you're spouting about any detector and any parking sensor?? Come on, lets take a deep dive into your blogs and see what you're really saying?? Nearly 10 years ago in your review for the Sti Driver, you raved about it and at that time it was doing better than your V1. Then the Stir-O dusted everything for years and YOU KNOW it. Then the Redline gets BSRDR and its all the shizzle. Then the V1C?? Shall I continue??

YOU know and I know that for WS mounts, there's ONLY two (2) really worth considering and that's the RL and the V1C. End of story. (Maybe a Max2 in urban areas where theres a LOT of falsing)

As to remotes, the O (if you can find a nice used one) and the STIR-+ PLUS or the Stinger VIP are the ONLY ones worth considering. End of story!!

Stop with this other nonsense............... (uh oh, here comes the CR90 review down the Schuylkill Expressway as we speak )

[Hessen]

Appreciate your perspective!

I remember even before that, there was a individual who's online handle was JTW. I believe that individual threw grenades to start the divisions and disrupt the harmony.

I haven't given much thought to Neil and company, but I recall that as well, now that you mentioned it.



VG

JTW aka Chris was back in 2004/2005 literally "Worshipped" in this very forum. Anyone who dared question his wisdom and posts was immediately pounced upon my the Admins. One in particular. (as I mentioned before)

JTW then aligned himself with Neil Brown and stabbed this forum any everyone in the back. Karma is a *****.

I'm sure you are aware that JTW was at one time selling Blinder.

He went on to Shill for Drivesmart, then LPP, and then Laserstar and was the official leader of "The Goons".

Another huge reason this forum tanked and many old timers moved on.

[Veil Guy]

Its as simple as this, a business is in business to make money, maybe even have a truly great product. But would anyone want business running government? How about running our Schools? Absolutely not, heck its bad enough businesses have there hands in government as it is, we wouldn't want them taking over more than they already have.
There is a huge difference between a 100% enthusiast run forum and one run by a Manufacturer or vendor, to not see that logically and from passed and present actions is just not being truthful to ones self or the community. There is also a big difference in the normal forum drama you speak of and Manufacturers and vendors doing there best to sell sell sell any way they can. I recall a title "V1 is lacking innovation" as apposed to a simple difference of opinion that created another great testing group. But i digress.

There is nothing wrong with a Manufacturer or vendor having a forum, i actually support the idea (have for years, i was ERF first enthusiast Mod). But don't try to make it something its not, be honest about it and what its purpose is. And that's to have a healthy and growing/expanding consumer base and get these people to buy buy buy so the Manufacturers and vendors can make $ $ $ (Larry/ER was very open with this fact). Don't try to make the forum look/sound like something its not with "hidden" forums that still include old members who were/are LEO's (Roy should count, but i was not implying him), or evade the clarity by stating having Man/Ven's Mod/Admin's don't effect what goes on. I would rather not list the endless historical issues having Man/Ven running RD.net, but it seems many have already pointed out just a few and its clear it was a big issue from beginning to even its new inception.

But as you and others have implied the precise history will make us all wiser for the wear (if we listen) and hopefully help the community grow for the over all benefit of the enthusiast. Just be honest about its purpose as you did in your last post to me and i think it will get there.

LOL. Don't get me started on the Government. With respect to schools, we've seen what the Gov local (and otherwise) have done to them. Healthcare, please don't get me started. Some view the Gov AS the problem. LOL. The great thing about business, is that companies are held to account, both by economics and the marketplace alike. Gov has little accountability. Charter schools are very successful at educating as well as private schools (without Gov interference to a large extent).

I am not in agreement with the notion that vendors sell sell sell any way they can. The exception, I feel, is with price and whoring product out. Look no further than a lot of amazon dealers (some sponsored by mfrs, such as Escort, to be brutally honest). Undermining the channel is "selling any way they can."

This forum is replete with information to allow potential or existing consumers to become educated or even more educated consumers.

With respect to the V1 article you mentioned or any others, I believe that took place off site.

As far as I am aware, I have not seen posts by any members that have been providing disinformation to "push" one product over another. My very vocal support for the V1c (even over the highly revered RL) is well known even here. Provided this continues, the marketplace and hence the overall industry will thrive.

I have said it a million times, our extended enthusiast group needs to grow beyond a mere hundred or so active participants. The Internet is replete with information here and beyond. Provided that the content and members here provide informed and true posts (even if individual members don't agree on the specifics), the community benefits.

I'd rather do business with Roy, Tom, or Danny than a faceless "dealer" fronting on Amazon. I personally know that Roy is always there to provide support to the consumer, answers the phone personally and provides exceptional customer service (I would say better than some mfrs).

With respect to forums that are not out of general public view, the old LEOs you speak of no longer (going forward) will be able to view them. Can't change the history of what went on, but going forward things should be better.

With respect to the choices today, you really can't go wrong with purchasing any detector.

Pretty much with Escort you have M4s and M3s. That's basically it. The V1C is the V1C. The top of the line value priced Whistlers are great values at their lower price points. I would argue even the top-of-the-line Cobra is not an embarrassment.

With respect to the actives, you've got ALP, LI, and Blinder basically. There really is not a bad one in the lot. Sure the ALP can foil the latest guns that the others haven't been able to, but overall they each have their supporters and for good reason.

Of course on the passive side, you've got Veil and Ontrack products.

Basically that's it in a nutshell.

I believe there really is no bad detector choice today.

When I see Roy "pushing" RMR (never going to happen LOL), then I would have concern.

But from what I have seen here, this forum is running true and the conclusions and information that is being posted by our current members is consistent with posts on the other forums.

I hope more senior members (like yourself) will consider adding your voices here. Only good things can come from it.

VG

See my bold above. BOB, do you really believe that stuff you're spouting about any detector and any parking sensor?? Come on, lets take a deep dive into your blogs and see what you're really saying?? Nearly 10 years ago in your review for the Sti Driver, you raved about it and at that time it was doing better than your V1. Then the Stir-O dusted everything for years and YOU KNOW it. Then the Redline gets BSRDR and its all the shizzle. Then the V1C?? Shall I continue??

YOU know and I know that for WS mounts, there's ONLY two (2) really worth considering and that's the RL and the V1C. End of story. (Maybe a Max2 in urban areas where theres a LOT of falsing)

As to remotes, the O (if you can find a nice used one) and the STIR-+ PLUS or the Stinger VIP are the ONLY ones worth considering. End of story!!

Stop with this other nonsense............... (uh oh, here comes the CR90 review down the Schuylkill Expressway as we speak )

Of course I do, because it's true. If it weren't only one or two detectors would ever sell.

The STi Driver DID outperform the V1 at the time on K-band as I commented on. Very important in K-band territory of PA.

The STiR-O DID dust everything else at the time and I wrote about it, calling it the very top of the detector chain.

The Redline originally, was not impressive, nor was the iQ, IMO. The 9500i and ix, never really appealed to me and I have been clear about that (even though it has been one of their top sellers). The original Max. Well it's very clear how I felt about that. LOL. The current Max2 (and perhaps the updated Max) are much better behaved, but still very lacking on Laser (which is of extreme importance at least to me). But OTHERs are very happy with them. Fine. That's why we have more the two flavors of ice cream.

I don't agree with you about the V1C and the RL. They only are really designed for the high-end uber-informed driver. Both are very technical detectors. Most people don't want to deal with them (just look at the sales of the ix and the Max). Both models relatively sell in smaller percentages.

I would happily drive (and have) with a 8500 X50 black, SmartRadar (all M4s), the older RX65 or 8500 X50 S7, the STi Magnum, the STiR-O or Plus. Even a 9500ci as "imperfect" as it is. I have driven to Florida average 92.6mph and did some of the with a Cobra! I've used the Pro 78 series and the 695 series as well as the CR90 and have been pleased with them. Not everyone is going to foot the bill for a $400-$500-$600 or $1000 plus detector.

The Stinger VIP, until I test one, I am remaining non-committed, but will keep an opened mind. It looks extremely promising, so much so I wanted to be involved "selling" them here in the US, that's how excited I was about it initially based upon others' experiences abroad. Now I am more cautious considering things that I became aware of subsequently to when I first heard of it. In any event, at nearly $5K it's going to take very special and knowledgeable "dealers" IMO to do it justice, if they ever do fully get set up in the US.

I am enjoying the revised Passport too, although the display is STILL too dark in daytime.

The bottom line, even an older S7/M4 was sufficient in its day. We are only being spoiled by the uber performance of the M3s and V1cs. That is the hardcore enthusiasts. But that doesn't make all of the other detectors bad, either historically or currently.

I stand by everything I have ever written both with my conclusions and recommendations.

In the final analysis, PC, I don't really care what detector someone prefers or uses, just that people USE them. We each have our personal preferences, but our priorities (or mine versus yours) aren't always going to agree.

BTW, using WAZE, I am finding on well traveled roads that IT is OUT alerting even the best detectors out there. In fact, I am very comfortable driving without a detector altogether with WAZE only and my two eyes. Furthermore, when you drive in excess of 100mph for HOURS at a time, long-distance, you may find as I have, that you must drive as if you DON'T have a detector.

VG

[Veil Guy]

Appreciate your perspective!

I remember even before that, there was a individual who's online handle was JTW. I believe that individual threw grenades to start the divisions and disrupt the harmony.

I haven't given much thought to Neil and company, but I recall that as well, now that you mentioned it.



VG

JTW aka Chris was back in 2004/2005 literally "Worshipped" in this very forum. Anyone who dared question his wisdom and posts was immediately pounced upon my the Admins. One in particular. (as I mentioned before)

JTW then aligned himself with Neil Brown and stabbed this forum any everyone in the back. Karma is a *****.

I'm sure you are aware that JTW was at one time selling Blinder.

He went on to Shill for Drivesmart, then LPP, and then Laserstar and was the official leader of "The Goons".

Another huge reason this forum tanked and many old timers moved on.

I didn't know that he sold Blinder. I got so frustrated with the whole thing, I backed off from jammers in general for year. In fact I was called out by members here (cost me my long-held Admin status) when I challenged a suspect video that showed the Blinder fail miserably. I was accused of covering for Leon. Only later did it come out that those videos WERE falsified (was it shoe polish on the heads?) When it finally came out in the open, the damage was already done. It's like the news makes the front page when something sensational happens accused but then appears in the back when the story is corrected and/or proven to been in error.

Roy DID allow that destruction to occur (by not putting down the hammer).

But it's all history at this point; it's really water under the bridge. I think with our collective experiences and perspectives, this sort of stuff won't happen here (and I trust on the other forums).

Thanks for informing me more about the whole JTW thing. My blood pressure rises just thinking about all of the nonsense of the past.

[Hessen]

Appreciate your perspective!

I remember even before that, there was a individual who's online handle was JTW. I believe that individual threw grenades to start the divisions and disrupt the harmony.

I haven't given much thought to Neil and company, but I recall that as well, now that you mentioned it.



VG

JTW aka Chris was back in 2004/2005 literally "Worshipped" in this very forum. Anyone who dared question his wisdom and posts was immediately pounced upon my the Admins. One in particular. (as I mentioned before)

JTW then aligned himself with Neil Brown and stabbed this forum any everyone in the back. Karma is a *****.

I'm sure you are aware that JTW was at one time selling Blinder.

He went on to Shill for Drivesmart, then LPP, and then Laserstar and was the official leader of "The Goons".

Another huge reason this forum tanked and many old timers moved on.

I didn't know that he sold Blinder. I got so frustrated with the whole thing, I backed off from jammers in general for year. In fact I was called out by members here (cost me my long-held Admin status) when I challenged a suspect video that showed the Blinder fail miserably. I was accused of covering for Leon. Only later did it come out that those videos WERE falsified (was it shoe polish on the heads?) When it finally came out in the open, the damage was already done. It's like the news makes the front page when something sensational happens accused but then appears in the back when the story is corrected and/or proven to been in error.

Roy DID allow that destruction to occur (by not putting down the hammer).

But it's all history at this point; it's really water under the bridge. I think with our collective experiences and perspectives, this sort of stuff won't happen here (and I trust on the other forums).

Thanks for informing me more about the whole JTW thing. My blood pressure rises just thinking about all of the nonsense of the past.

The majority of JTW's (The Goon's) videos were faked or staged to prompt their agenda.

This all came out over the years.

[Veil Guy]

Appreciate your perspective!

I remember even before that, there was a individual who's online handle was JTW. I believe that individual threw grenades to start the divisions and disrupt the harmony.

I haven't given much thought to Neil and company, but I recall that as well, now that you mentioned it.



VG

JTW aka Chris was back in 2004/2005 literally "Worshipped" in this very forum. Anyone who dared question his wisdom and posts was immediately pounced upon my the Admins. One in particular. (as I mentioned before)

JTW then aligned himself with Neil Brown and stabbed this forum any everyone in the back. Karma is a *****.

I'm sure you are aware that JTW was at one time selling Blinder.

He went on to Shill for Drivesmart, then LPP, and then Laserstar and was the official leader of "The Goons".

Another huge reason this forum tanked and many old timers moved on.

I didn't know that he sold Blinder. I got so frustrated with the whole thing, I backed off from jammers in general for year. In fact I was called out by members here (cost me my long-held Admin status) when I challenged a suspect video that showed the Blinder fail miserably. I was accused of covering for Leon. Only later did it come out that those videos WERE falsified (was it shoe polish on the heads?) When it finally came out in the open, the damage was already done. It's like the news makes the front page when something sensational happens accused but then appears in the back when the story is corrected and/or proven to been in error.

Roy DID allow that destruction to occur (by not putting down the hammer).

But it's all history at this point; it's really water under the bridge. I think with our collective experiences and perspectives, this sort of stuff won't happen here (and I trust on the other forums).

Thanks for informing me more about the whole JTW thing. My blood pressure rises just thinking about all of the nonsense of the past.

The majority of JTW's (The Goon's) videos were faked or staged to prompt their agenda.

This all came out over the years.

There you go. At the time I objected to what I observed I was thrown under the bus, by the most senior enthusiasts at the time. Never did any come back to me with an apology (or reinstatement). That still is a very sore issue for me. So, perhaps some can see why I feel that enthusiasts aren't without fault either. At least today, with the overall education of the online community, such nonsense likely wouldn't hold for any period of time whether on a corporate "run" site or enthusiast site, which is a good thing. It's going to keep everyone honest and that's the beauty of our collective & evolved online community.

VG