I need help choosing the product I need

[ADJM]

Hi everyone,

I am new to radar detectors and laser jammers, and I find these products to be confusing in terms of functions and characteristics. So, I would like to ask for help in choosing the correct (maybe not the best) product that fits my need.

Here are three main need that I am looking for.
(If there's no one single product that can do both radar and laser, I am open to buying two units, one for radar and one for laser)

1. I need something that can detect (preferably jam) both radar and laser.
2. I need the system to be invisible to police officers (including when the police officer is standing at my window, I don't want them to see)
3. I do city and highway about half-half, so I would like for the system to be able to do both (if not, I prefer it to be better at highway)

Thank you all ahead of time for helping!

[Veil Guy]

Hi everyone,

I am new to radar detectors and laser jammers, and I find these products to be confusing in terms of functions and characteristics. So, I would like to ask for help in choosing the correct (maybe not the best) product that fits my need.

Here are three main need that I am looking for.
(If there's no one single product that can do both radar and laser, I am open to buying two units, one for radar and one for laser)

1. I need something that can detect (preferably jam) both radar and laser.
2. I need the system to be invisible to police officers (including when the police officer is standing at my window, I don't want them to see)
3. I do city and highway about half-half, so I would like for the system to be able to do both (if not, I prefer it to be better at highway)

Thank you all ahead of time for helping!

1) All current RDs can detect both radar and laser with varying degrees of success. Forget about even attempting to jam radar from the same (or any other unit for that matter). First off they are not effective against the newer digital police radars and second off, even if they were it is a federal offense to even attempt to do so. Forget about manufacturers claims to jam or otherwise scramble radar or laser. It simply is not the case. Roy has had a website that he offered 50K for anyone proviing that such a detector/scrambler could actually do it. It's been more than a decade and he never had to pay out.

2) The only detectors that are invisible to the eye basically are remote systems. To get into the Escort/Beltronics you are looking anywhere from 1000 to more. The 9500ci does have a combined radar detection and laser jamming system that is adequate for the vast majority of lidar encounters, plus it offers extremely exceptional detection performance and also can not be detected by RDDs (important in you ever drive in VA or most of Canada, or DC, or on military bases).

3) The units above would meet this criteria.

The alternative is to dare to spend less. Whistler makes a 3600 remote detector that detects both radar and laser but does not jam. It's performance is good and I drive with one on one of my vehicles. I routinely drive 25 over and it hasn't failed me yet. In this case you could then add a separate laser jammer either by Blinder, Escort, of ALP. Most online enthusiasts promote the ALP, but they are no longer as mighty as they once were at defeating Dragon Eyes. In fact they dropped the reference to the DragonEye from their website some time ago. If you can live with a slightly less capable unit, you could save some money with either the Escort Lasershifter Pro or the Blinder HP905 system. RadarBusters offers everything except the ALP.

Hope this information was useful to you.

VG

[Kayrac]

In this case you could then add a separate laser jammer either by Blinder, Escort, of ALP. Most online enthusiasts promote the ALP, but they are no longer as mighty as they once were at defeating Dragon Eyes. In fact they dropped the reference to the DragonEye from their website some time ago. If you can live with a slightly less capable unit, you could save some money with either the Escort Lasershifter Pro or the Blinder HP905 system. RadarBusters offers everything except the ALP.

Everyone has their opinion. And I would share mine as. Unless the cost difference between the escort, or blinder vs ALPS will have your bank foreclosing on your home, and you will then live on the street. Save the difference and buy the ALP. If VPR guns are bought in your area, even if they are not there now, whatever you spent just became useless when encountered because blinder and escort can't handle anything newer, and they are quite iffy on even older models.

[Solidjake]

Agreed, hands down with the ALP's. They are simply THE best jammers on the market and nothing beats them. Any other system has great risk


OP, as for a detector I would get either a V1, Redline, Radeno, Netradar or Uniden

[chakeubeam]

Hi everyone,

I am new to radar detectors and laser jammers, and I find these products to be confusing in terms of functions and characteristics. So, I would like to ask for help in choosing the correct (maybe not the best) product that fits my need.

Here are three main need that I am looking for.
(If there's no one single product that can do both radar and laser, I am open to buying two units, one for radar and one for laser)

1. I need something that can detect (preferably jam) both radar and laser.
2. I need the system to be invisible to police officers (including when the police officer is standing at my window, I don't want them to see)
3. I do city and highway about half-half, so I would like for the system to be able to do both (if not, I prefer it to be better at highway)

Thank you all ahead of time for helping!

You have a few good options for an integrated system for both radar and laser protection. As for the system being RDD immune, youll need a M3 or Netradar. Escort/Bel sells several different variations of the M3 both in Windshield Mount (which can be made to look stealth for less) or an installed version. If you choose to go the WS Mount way itll save money on the install but wont be integrated with the Laser Jammers.
As for the Laser Jammer, this is where the big question comes into play. Do I pay now or later. Yes there are some areas in the US that dont use Dragons(or VPR) guns that you might be able to get away with an older cheaper laser jammer system such as the Laser Interceptor/Laser Shifter Pro(found on the 9500ci) or Blinder Laser jammers, however how long that will last until the departments near you catchs up determines if that gamble is worth it for you. If it is, the 9500ci or Beltronics STIR Plus with Laser Shifter Pros is the system for you!
If you do choose to go with the New ALP you can still run an M3 (9500ci) antenna off it, but keep in mind youll loose a few key features by integrating the two, such as GPS on the radar. Or run a bel STIR Plus side by side to keep the GPS feature on the radar for city driving. Then there is the Net radar, made exclusively for the ALP it incorporates alot of the same great features the M3 does but will lack in range, but again will save you $$$$ over the M3.


Good luck and if you have any questions please feel free to ask!

[RedRocket]

In this case you could then add a separate laser jammer either by Blinder, Escort, of ALP. Most online enthusiasts promote the ALP, but they are no longer as mighty as they once were at defeating Dragon Eyes. In fact they dropped the reference to the DragonEye from their website some time ago. If you can live with a slightly less capable unit, you could save some money with either the Escort Lasershifter Pro or the Blinder HP905 system. RadarBusters offers everything except the ALP.

Everyone has their opinion. And I would share mine as. Unless the cost difference between the escort, or blinder vs ALPS will have your bank foreclosing on your home, and you will then live on the street. Save the difference and buy the ALP. If VPR guns are bought in your area, even if they are not there now, whatever you spent just became useless when encountered because blinder and escort can't handle anything newer, and they are quite iffy on even older models.

I see your location & IF your travels take you into Boston...be very careful b/c Boston PD uses DragonEye Lidars for speed enforcement.

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[RedRocket]

Hi everyone,

I am new to radar detectors and laser jammers, and I find these products to be confusing in terms of functions and characteristics. So, I would like to ask for help in choosing the correct (maybe not the best) product that fits my need.

Here are three main need that I am looking for.
(If there's no one single product that can do both radar and laser, I am open to buying two units, one for radar and one for laser)

1. I need something that can detect (preferably jam) both radar and laser.
2. I need the system to be invisible to police officers (including when the police officer is standing at my window, I don't want them to see)
3. I do city and highway about half-half, so I would like for the system to be able to do both (if not, I prefer it to be better at highway)

Thank you all ahead of time for helping!

1) All current RDs can detect both radar and laser with varying degrees of success. Forget about even attempting to jam radar from the same (or any other unit for that matter). First off they are not effective against the newer digital police radars and second off, even if they were it is a federal offense to even attempt to do so. Forget about manufacturers claims to jam or otherwise scramble radar or laser. It simply is not the case. Roy has had a website that he offered 50K for anyone proviing that such a detector/scrambler could actually do it. It's been more than a decade and he never had to pay out.

2) The only detectors that are invisible to the eye basically are remote systems. To get into the Escort/Beltronics you are looking anywhere from 1000 to more. The 9500ci does have a combined radar detection and laser jamming system that is adequate for the vast majority of lidar encounters, plus it offers extremely exceptional detection performance and also can not be detected by RDDs (important in you ever drive in VA or most of Canada, or DC, or on military bases).

3) The units above would meet this criteria.

The alternative is to dare to spend less. Whistler makes a 3600 remote detector that detects both radar and laser but does not jam. It's performance is good and I drive with one on one of my vehicles. I routinely drive 25 over and it hasn't failed me yet. In this case you could then add a separate laser jammer either by Blinder, Escort, of ALP. Most online enthusiasts promote the ALP, but they are no longer as mighty as they once were at defeating Dragon Eyes. In fact they dropped the reference to the DragonEye from their website some time ago. If you can live with a slightly less capable unit, you could save some money with either the Escort Lasershifter Pro or the Blinder HP905 system. RadarBusters offers everything except the ALP.

Hope this information was useful to you.

VG

VG - I just have to inquire/question & even throw a RED FLAG on this statement of yours. I have been one of the more prolific Certified Lidar Testers for the Community & this in not an accurate representation of fact on your part. AFAIK, there is not another Parking Sensor that can match the Performance capabilities of the AntiLaser "Priority" ! I might add that 1 exception to my statement would be directed towards the "Stinger VIP" model. The only qualification to this is b/c I have not had the opportunity to Test one yet.

So I ask you directly, what is the basis to back-up w/ factual proof the statement of your's I question at this time ?

[Veil Guy]

Throw the flag, that's fine.

My views and positions on matters such as this one have been out there for some time along with their reasoning.

I'll be happy to have a substantive conversation, either privately (provided it remains private) or publicly, but I am going to propose that we do this one, this way (if it is to be public):

Instead of having to defend myself (ie; be on the defensive), I wish to invert it this time around.

RR, please make your assertions, and I can comment on yours, either in concurrence or in dissension. I'd also prefer to keep the spirit of any subsequent discussion in a positive manner.

Thanks.

[poop]

1- jamming radar is illegal. Anti-Laser Priority jams the tougher laser guns where most others fail.

2- Assuming you mean "invisible" to include Radar Detector Detector (RDD). The RDD invisible devices are part of a short list: STi-R remote units, Escort Redline, Bel Magnum (last two are window mount but can be stealthy), etc. The new Net Radar heads for the ALP mentioned in #1 are very promising and seem not to be detectable unless the LEO is kissing your bumper.

3- ALP integrates laser and radar together beautifully and has 2x city and 1x highway setting per profile (3 profiles max)

Hope that helps! Look for unbiased reviews from people with no dogs in this race. RDF or VortexRadar are two of the best.

Beware of anyone promoting a product they sell or ignoring/slamming a product they do not/cannot sell.

[Veil Guy]

1- jamming radar is illegal. Anti-Laser Priority jams the tougher laser guns where most others fail.

2- Assuming you mean "invisible" to include Radar Detector Detector (RDD). The RDD invisible devices are part of a short list: STi-R remote units, Escort Redline, Bel Magnum (last two are window mount but can be stealthy), etc. The new Net Radar heads for the ALP mentioned in #1 are very promising and seem not to be detectable unless the LEO is kissing your bumper.

3- ALP integrates laser and radar together beautifully and has 2x city and 1x highway setting per profile (3 profiles max)

Hope that helps! Look for unbiased reviews from people with no dogs in this race. RDF or VortexRadar are two of the best.

Beware of anyone promoting a product they sell or ignoring/slamming a product they do not/cannot sell.

Let's get the facts out there. If that sentiment was directed my way, we never sold jammers nor do we any more than we do detectors.

I frankly don't care what countermeasures individuals choose to use, but to discount or hide limitations a jammer and direct potential users to sites and or reviewers that DO have a selling interest, either through commissions or affiliate selling also present potential conflicts of interest.

Since you mentioned Vortex, specifically, he's new to the name and out of the gate he is monetizing (ie; commercialize his work product). He promotes videos and then puts ads on them. He links to vendors/mfrs and gets back-end commissions and free products--I also tend to doubt that he paid for the Stinger.

He links to Amazon and gets affiliate sales commission. In other words, he has a financial interest in directing people to certain products. To his credit, he is very open about that and it is a common model that people do who do reviews. In fact, I read a lot reviews from others who do the same thing and I generally trust the content as being genuine, so in and of itself, I have zero issue with what Vortex does and I think he does provide help to those that are seeking it. And that's all good.

In so far as RDF is concerned, they too do affiliate commissions and again that's totally fine. It costs money to operate and manage a website and it's a good resource in general, so they are entitled to do what they have to do to either profit or at least keep the lights on over there.

But when things get corrupted by being too close to a commercial interest and come under influence, that's where things go off the track. To use some examples that have factually occurred in the past specifically with the jammer community.

Just on this forum alone not so many years ago, RDnet was co-opted by Cliff of then Laser Interceptor. He was an admin and basically had full control of this forum as other vendors weren't participating and the other admins at the time were sitting idly by watching the flagrant abuse and doing nothing to help prevent it ongoing.

When Roy bought his business back he specifically asked me to maintain this site and help him relaunch it. When I started doing this, members like CJ and others told me about Cliff deleting posts here and then banning people who were having serious problems with LI with some newer guns. When I started researching this, I found it to be true and as he was not technically proficient enough on how to cover ones tracks. I reinstated those that were banned and then demoted Cliff to a normal user at the direction of Roy.

This was all around the time that Cliff was quietly "screwing over" LI and making a play for Stinger while leaving LI customers hang out to dry.

Also with LI, before Cliff, in the days of Elvis, GoL and Roy were intentionally manipulated and misled (hopefully without them knowing) by bringing two diode head systems to test which turned out not to be representative of what was actually shipped and it wasn't publicly disclosed. I can't say who knew what, but I was happy not be associated with that test.

There was another supposed independent testing group which "tested" a Blinder unit and showing it to totally fail. Thing is the tests were rigged and the heads had shoe polish put on them. This eventually came out. Turns out these testers were pushing another product which was also patent infringing to Blinder.

Fast forward to RALTEC and Roy's shootout of last year. Certain guns were tearing up the jammers with repeated IPTs, everyone there (which you were NOT) saw what was going on. To Roy's credit when he published the results he was asked by RALTEC (mirage and yellowcab) to with hold the results. And so he included a footnote is included in the report clear for everyone to see. Further, a lot of other results were not published too, that were also less than flattering. Once again the irony of this is steep as Roy had been widely criticized by some of juicing his own tests, something that I had doubted. Then these same characters fudge their own tests and they did with a straight face.

And as so far as RDF is concerned, Cliff is currently well-regarded over there which is especially head-scratching because of the history with the community. I guess the ends justify the means. For those wishing to look at that forum specifically take notice of the politics, the politics or personal destruction, the few outspoken and the willing sheep that follow. Don't take my word, read away.

It's unfortunate but not surprising that while some connected with that forum will quietly say things privately that they don't go on the public record for fear of reprisal or rejection.

Bottom line is, those that claim that members of RDF/RALF or related testing groups or whatever are completely unbiased are full of bull. I would even go as far to say that most testing groups over the 10 plus years of forums, have been--either knowingly or not--engaged in mispresentation to some degree or another.

Certainly not all and I don't wish to paint with too broad a brush here. There are some very good eggs out there.

Don't believe me? OK then, just look at the historical record, that is at least the stuff that wasn't deleted or moved to private elevated forum levels out of the public eye. There's plenty of history out there particularly on RDnet since this is the longest running forum.

The game has stayed the same, just that many of the players have changed (we're now on the 3rd generation of enthusiasts).

I'll openly acknowledge that the ALP at the moment appears to be the most effective against the greatest variety of specialty guns that are in circulation, but it certainly they're not infallible--not by a long shot...and from what I've read the general recommendation is to use a FIVE head system. Woah! Good for the manufacturers, good for the affiliates, good for those that get free product, not so good for the consumer. I take every one of these tests with a huge grain of salt, especially when the manufacturers or sellers are involved or especially cozy with the testers.

So let's do it this way. Instead of you guys repeatedly trying to put me and other dissenters on the defensive, you guys answer some questions flat out.

1) Did ALP corporate not pull references from their main website that they could fully defeat the Dragon Eyes (or even the TPXes)?
2) Were results NOT pulled from Roy's test showing jammers including the ALP in less than the best light (like serious IPTs)?
3) Did Mirage (a RALTEC leading member) NOT try to become a distributor for Stinger during that same time period?
4) Will you deny that there a ways in targeting that will cut through and defeat every jammer including the ALP?

Let's start with these four questions. I'd like to see specific answers to each of these without a Clinton-esque deflection to my or others' credibility who are not fanboys of any one CM company.

Thanks.