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    Default Arrows - A marketing gimic?

    I have been reading the forums here for about a week and a interesting thing keeps popping up that seems to be a common rumor or idea that just keeps getting repeated, but rarely do I see V1 owners put the hammer down. "The V1 arrows are a marketing gimic!" You people cannot be for real, or don't drive the same kinds of roads that I do.

    Some background, I bought my first radar detector back in 1992 as they were illegal to own in the countries I was station in prior years. When I landed stateside I ran off and bought a Whistler without knowing anything about radar detectors. I finally read some reviews in CD and MT and found out that Escort was the best. I purchase my Escort in 1993. As with anything it does take some time to learn how to use your radar detector, and become fluent with this tool. Well time passed, technology was getting better, but sadly my radar detector was falling behind fast. I was hit in 1997 with an instant on attack that my Escort was ill prepared for, and just not up to the job(it had served me well up to that point). I read the reviews about the V1 and bought one in 1997. I also thought the arrows were more of a marketing gimmic, but I was very quickly proven wrong as scenario after scenario played out in my day to day commute and travels.

    I can go on and on about the effectiveness of the arrows and senarios that I have found they have saved my bacon. Interstate driving at night is a classic example with very limited visibility and LEO's running speed traps. Wait until you are moving down the road at night and have a trooper sneeking up from behind while 2 wait facing traffic, no lights. The bogie counter is going to tell you how many your dealing with, and those arrows are going to show you which directions they are coming from. I have had this play out several times over the years where I thought I was in the clear, but my V1 was telling me otherwise... I have learned to trust those arrows and that counter and it works very very well. Another detector without these abilities would not have told me what was going on and I would have been toast. Another situation I see frequently is the common interstate drive with a LEO sampling traffic ahead... Yes ahead as my V1 is telling me ahead. I slow down, I see a trooper approaching in the oncoming traffic and pass me... The V1 is telling me the radar is still ahead, not behind me... The trooper I saw wasn't the one targeting traffic and again the V1 tells me what I needed to know. Who knows if I would have gotten enough information in time to avoid the ticket. The V1 tells me what I need to know quickly and there isn't any ambiguity. I keep hearing that LEO's don't come from behind... My drive home from work at night I run into LEO's doing exactly what folks here keep saying doesn't happen... Instant on in traffic, from behind... the troopers are hiding on the "on ramps" and merge in with traffic and then bust them... Of course close to a military installation as they have thier pick of easy targets exceeding the posted limits that are intentionally slow for that purpose. My V1 saved me just the other night on my way home from work as the LEO's were thicker than fleas and using instant on from behind.

    The moral of this long winded story is don't believe the garbage that the arrows are a marketing gimic... That "gimic" has saved my bacon many times and because of it I am a V1 believer. I have upgraded my V1 once, and now I am upgrading my V1 again(my detector is at VR as I write this for the POP upgrade). And now even my wife who has been a long time hold out has finally decided she has to have a detector... You know it, I ordered her a new V1 yesterday. When the other guys finally get the dual antenna, front and rear sensitivity, and the detailed information of the bogey counter with the arrows then I will consider another detector. Until then I am a Valentine customer... If your a V1 owner, don't be afraid to speak up when people call the arrows a gimic. I wouldn't take a take a truckload of free X50's for my V1.

    For around town I use the big L mode, and for the interstates and highway travel I use the A mode. Most of the excuses I hear against the V1 center around cost. That is perfectly legitimate.... Just say cost is the issue instead of trying to come up with reasons to justify your purchase. Maligning the V1 isn't going to change the facts that the V1 really is that good. There is nothing wrong with the Belscorts, but when it comes to features and value to me the V1 is worth the extra cost, and helps me to preserve my investment.

    Take care, drive safe,
    Longsnowsm

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    You have brought up some excellent points and we have some forum members here that own V1's and still bash the arrows but mostly the false alarms.
    To me I don't get most of the false alarms because of the way I have my V1 set up and when I do get them it is worth the extra information.
    There are several outstanding features about having a rear antenna.
    It will show that the signal is falling behind you as you pass the signal.
    It will show if a patrol car working radar or a junk detector is moving its way up behind you.
    (I remember when I had my original passport when this happened it drove me nuts because the encounter lasts a long time, as the signals are bouncing off signs & trucks as it is pacing you)
    It will show a patrol car on an overpass shooting vehicles in the back for a substantial distance.
    If a patrol car passes you going the opposite direction and he is working radar you can tell if he has turned around even if he is out of visual range

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    Default Re: Arrows - A marketing gimic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Longsnowsm
    I wouldn't take a take a truckload of free X50's for my V1.
    I would! Of course, I would sell them all and then buy a bunch of V1's

    But you do have a lot of good points. The arrows and the bogey counter are both killer features. I will never own another detector unless when the patent runs out that the "other company" develops something as well. But even then, Mike is innovative enough...he'll probably come up with something better.

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    Well, arrows are all good and well. If you use them. Or want to use them. I have no need or desire for arrows, but that's just me. If I thought that I would have used the arrows, I would have bought a V1. Simple as that.

    That's what I don't understand why some V1 owners try to convince non V1 users with that. One of two things will happen. First, you'll just make someone feel bad if the reason they don't have a v1 is because they couldn't afford it. Second, if someone doesn't really care either way about the arrows, you are not going to sell them on it. You have to sell it to them with the performance and aesthetic qualities.

    You don't have arrows! My reply - So what? In my opinion, and let's face it - that's the only opinion that matters when I make a decision for myself, that would be like me buying a Mazda because of the oscillating vents in the front. Yeah, it's a feature the others don't have, but if you're not into that, what's the big deal? I actually have a friend who bought a mazda because of that very feature.

    Maybe I have found something that Jim won't have a picture of... the oscillating vents in a mazda. ;-)

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    arrows or not

    falsing or not

    the V1 kicks ass in laser detection

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    I love the arrows. Once the initial rear-view mirror and brake checks are done, it's the arrows that allow me to get back onto the gas sooner. I think they're priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Walt
    So what? In my opinion, and let's face it - that's the only opinion that matters when I make a decision for myself, that would be like me buying a Mazda because of the oscillating vents in the front. Yeah, it's a feature the others don't have, but if you're not into that, what's the big deal? I actually have a friend who bought a mazda because of that very feature.

    Maybe I have found something that Jim won't have a picture of... the oscillating vents in a mazda. ;-)
    That freaked me out... I was driving this new car, and kept noticing the a/c felt weird... like it was going on and off... I look at the vents, they seem alright... but the little knobs underneath were turning...

    Then I notice the "SWING" light is on next to the a/c button... so I guess the car is a swinger

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    Default ARROWS?

    I think that "THE WALT" observations and reasoning are way off. Why would you purchase a product JUST because it looks good? Would I sacrifice the ARROWS on the V1 just "because" the other detectors might look better on my dashboard? I have had these discussion a thousand times with NON V1 owners and they keep telling me that the ARROWS are nonsense. These guys have never owned a V1 and cant judge upon the fact that the ARROWS are the NUMBER 1 feature of the V1 let alone the sensitivity.

    Yes it does come down to what one can afford and not afford. The law says that if you cant afford it you try to find all reasoning within your mind to JUSTIFY the PURCHASE of the lesser product. We are always trying to convince ourselves that we made the RIGHT purchase and the more EXPENSIVE gadget is not really as good as THEY say it is.

    Why not say that the Cayenne Turbo is USELESS because it has 2 turbochargers. But that could be the reasoning of the Cayenne owner who did not go for the TURBO because is saved him serious cash.

    I find the Passport 8500 X50 useless because it does not have the BOGEY LOCATOR like the V1 and that goes for all detectors other then the V1. I also find the Porsche Cayenne without TURBO to be useless because it does not have the punch that puts a smile on my face.

    Its like wearing a FAKE Rolex; the only person you are fooling is yourself. Try the V1 and get to unerstand the REAL LIFE benefits of the ARROWS and then make a judgement based upon SINCERE OBSERVATIONS without having emotions getting in your way.


    These are my two cents!

    HAIL TO THE ARROWS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogey
    I think that "THE WALT" observations and reasoning are way off. Why would you purchase a product JUST because it looks good? Would I sacrifice the ARROWS on the V1 just "because" the other detectors might look better on my dashboard? I have had these discussion a thousand times with NON V1 owners and they keep telling me that the ARROWS are nonsense. These guys have never owned a V1 and cant judge upon the fact that the ARROWS are the NUMBER 1 feature of the V1 let alone the sensitivity.

    Yes it does come down to what one can afford and not afford. The law says that if you cant afford it you try to find all reasoning within your mind to JUSTIFY the PURCHASE of the lesser product. We are always trying to convince ourselves that we made the RIGHT purchase and the more EXPENSIVE gadget is not really as good as THEY say it is.

    Why not say that the Cayenne Turbo is USELESS because it has 2 turbochargers. But that could be the reasoning of the Cayenne owner who did not go for the TURBO because is saved him serious cash.

    I find the Passport 8500 X50 useless because it does not have the BOGEY LOCATOR like the V1 and that goes for all detectors other then the V1. I also find the Porsche Cayenne without TURBO to be useless because it does not have the punch that puts a smile on my face.

    Its like wearing a FAKE Rolex; the only person you are fooling is yourself. Try the V1 and get to unerstand the REAL LIFE benefits of the ARROWS and then make a judgement based upon SINCERE OBSERVATIONS without having emotions getting in your way.


    These are my two cents!

    HAIL TO THE ARROWS!
    The escort and bel have "bogey counters." Infact, the bel and escort are better then the V1 bogey counters because they show how many bands of each threat there are. The V1 can only display 1 of each band.


    Escort X50 expert meter

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    Default Re: ARROWS?

    Quote Originally Posted by bogey
    I think that "THE WALT" observations and reasoning are way off. Why would you purchase a product JUST because it looks good? Would I sacrifice the ARROWS on the V1 just "because" the other detectors might look better on my dashboard? I have had these discussion a thousand times with NON V1 owners and they keep telling me that the ARROWS are nonsense. These guys have never owned a V1 and cant judge upon the fact that the ARROWS are the NUMBER 1 feature of the V1 let alone the sensitivity.
    That just goes to show you like the arrows. Hey, I know people love the arrows, and I don't put you down for liking the arrows. Since you like the arrows, then the V1 is the ultimate, end all be all RD for you! Congratulations! You have the best RD for you! I'm not arguing with you. Maybe I just don't get the arrows, but just because I don't doesn't mean that I'm going to try to persuade you that you shouldn't use them because I know some people like them and they should buy it if that's what they like. I don't want the arrows. You certainly can't make me want the arrows, or make me possibly think I would want the arrows. I've been in cars with the arrows. A friend loaned me his V1 for a week (we traded)to try to convince me that I needed the arrows, back when I had an Escort. I found them useless. I didn't use them. Sure the first couple times I looked at the arrows and said "Neat!" Did I actually use it after that? No. It would be a waste of my money if I bought one because everyone else told me I should use the arrows. Say I buy one, and guess what? I'm not using them, I could care less which way it's pointing. Boy would I have just suckered myself. Then I'd be an idiot.

    I put my money where my mouth is as I'm sure you do. I buy what I consider to be the best for me. If I thought I needed arrows, I'm sure I could have squeezed in a V1 purchase in the last 30 days, somewhere between the $1300 Movado SE watch, the $2000 Tempur-Pedic Mattress, and the $299 All Clad Emeril pan set. All of which I didn't really need, and paid cash for via a debit card. My Firebird is paid for, as is my wife's ZX2. We have credit cards but no debt on them at this time. I'm not trying to brag about my financial status, but trying to show you that hey.... I have the money. In fact, I paid way more total for my Bel because I didn't buy from Roy and I purchased the extended warranty. If I were trying to save pennies I would have bought from Roy. Oh, and then there's the $30 donation I gave to some of the guys here on the forum for some test they are doing. What I paid for my Bel and that $30 combined is more than a V1. Don't you think I would have bought a V1 if I thought I would have used the arrows? I never settle for just what's there. I never take the free cell phone. I spend a few hundred dollars and get the one I want.

    Perhaps you should re-evaluate your opinion and admit that it could be possible , that maybe - just maybe, some people don't care about the arrows, and try not to shove arrows down peoples' throats. That's not saying I think less of you because you like them, but you don't see me trying to convince you that arrows are junk. Even if you don't it doesn't really matter. I'm living proof that at least one person doesn't put a lot of value in the arrows. Maybe if I drove fast all the time, and that was all I wanted to do - slow down, know where he's at, and speed up as soon as I could - then I would probably give more value to arrows. But I don't do that.

    By the way, because of how I think the V1 looks is exactly why I didn't buy it. Check out my page describing why I bought what I did if you like: http://www.basilweb.net/beltronics_rx_65_pro.htm. You might think I'm crazy for buying something on looks, but in my opinion that means a lot. Especially when there are other comparable (minus the arrows) choices available. So what if I buy something because of the way it looks? It's my money, and I'll spend it how I wish. That's the whole reason I bought my Firebird. I could have spent less and went with what other people would consider "better" vehicles, but I didn't. I love the way the Firebird looks, I've been fascintated with them ever since I was a little kid, and always said I would own one. And while you're there, check out my other pages, see how much money I do spend. Everything listed is bought, paid for, and registered by me. All with cash. Not credit.

 

 

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