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    Default General Newbie Questions (I did search first)

    I see POP called POOP quite a bit. I did some searches and did not find what I was looking, but i am sure these have been answered at some point, so I hope someone will point me in the right direction.

    I have no clue if it is used in my area, but is it even worth having turned on, and what are the problems with it?

    I received my first V1 for Christmas. It has already saved my arse several times. Now I want to start with a few tweaks. I have already turned the Ka to more responsive and have noticed a few more hits. Sometimes I never see a cop, but you can't be to careful with Ka IMHO. I also noticed the J-out takes a little longer to happen now.

    What is the general consensus on this setting?

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    Unfortunatley, I am a poor guide, regarding POP, when it comes to the V1.

    Aside from the fact that the V1 currently leads the field in true-POP detaction (it's capable of detecting, positively, and with good percentage odds, both 67ms Ka- and K-band POP, which is more than could be said for any of the Bel/Escort products), I honestly don't have much V1-specific advice for you.

    My concern would be that you should insure that your locals utilize some sort of 67ms duration equipment. If they favor the 16ms POP hardware, then you're at a no-gain scenario.

    Aside from that, I hope my usual POP presentation can be a good guide for you:

    http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...&highlight=pop

    ^ 4th post down from top.

    The biggest danger facing the V1 user, IMveryHO, is one of "detector desensitization" - that the end user becomes so oblivious to the "usual chatter" of the device that his/her usual level of attentiveness to the detector's extreme sensitivity is, at a time of potential distraction, fails.

    If enabling POP detection raises your "noise floor" in such a manner as to make you respond less effectively to the alerts (and you'll need to be absolutely honest to yourself about this), then think twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSi+WRX
    The biggest danger facing the V1 user, IMveryHO, is one of "detector desensitization" - that the end user becomes so oblivious to the "usual chatter" of the device that his/her usual level of attentiveness to the detector's extreme sensitivity is, at a time of potential distraction, fails.

    If enabling POP detection raises your "noise floor" in such a manner as to make you respond less effectively to the alerts (and you'll need to be absolutely honest to yourself about this), then think twice.
    This is the best two-paragraph summary on POP. Basically, if turning it on causes your detector to become so chatty that you start ignoring K/Ka alerts, don't do it. otherwise, having it on couldn't hurt. The other arguments about whether or not POP used are completely unsubstantiated. None of us know whether or not POP is used, and to what extent.

    On my V1 I keep POP on. It adds about 1 more false every 50-100 miles. Big whoop. On my Whistler XTR-690, turning on POP I can barely drive .5 miles out of my house before my first false. In that cases, I keep it off.

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    If your worried about POP, then you should also enable Ku, the chances of getting caught by POP is the same as getting caught by Ku band, perhaps the same as getting hit by lightning, which is basicly never.

    Now this was just a quick analogy. Bottom line if there was a cop using POP, you will be pretty much screwed just like laser, you have to use your head when you drive. RD are not fail proof and officers have other methods to catch you speeding that a RD will not detect such as VASCAR, airborn VASCAR!

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    dont be worried about pop..turn it off and u will greatly reduce the amount of J-outs you have

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    How do you know you have a real POP encounter other than seeing party lights in your RVM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockey005
    dont be worried about pop..turn it off and u will greatly reduce the amount of J-outs you have
    If I rarely see J-outs, does it mean I don't get much POP falsing and should leave it on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordhawhaw

    If I rarely see J-outs, does it mean I don't get much POP falsing and should leave it on?
    Not necessarily. POP falsing can also be sudden bursts of K/Ka that come and go in 2 seconds.

    The point of POP is speed estimation... sure cops can't use POP to issue a ticket, but they could use it like a screening tool. Sit back, sip on coffee, and burst traffic with POP. Once he sees a speed on the screen he likes, he'll just hold down the trigger for another 0.5 seconds, and BAM a legal IO reading. In this case, wouldn't you wish you had POP on so 2 miles ago, you knew there was radar activity ahead, rather than just seeing an IO burst and then getting pulled over?

    I have no proof that the above scenario happens, but considering this is the advertised purpose of POP, I don't see why people are so quick to rule it out.

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    How would V1 alert you if you get hit with real POP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordhawhaw
    How would V1 alert you if you get hit with real POP?
    Just a regular alert and most likely short in duration.

 

 

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