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    OK, here's a weird one for ya. I tested my V1 indoors w/a 12v ps in my HT room (completely blacked out) with JTW's laser tester.
    I've discovered that the arrows are backasswards. If I tape over the rear sensor with electrical tape, and lase the front of the unit, the arrow indicates the laser is from behind! If I tape over the front sensor window (the big one) and lase the back of the unit, sometimes the arrow is backasswards also, and sometimes it is correct (indicating the laser is in front). There is definately something wacky with my V1!
    I was thinking of sending it in to update the firmware to 3.819 due to ghosting, "J"ing often, but now I'm definately going to.[/b] :?

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    That's weird. Maybe it's because you're doing it in total darkness. The V1 is so hyper-sensitive to laser, that the opposite sensor could catch a reflection of the beam (reflections could happen inside the unit, in total darkness) and cause the "wrong" arrow to light. Since JTW's tester isn't a real lidar gun, its signal may be imperfect enough that the V1 responds better to an indirect hit than a direct one (which it interprets as junk and doesn't light the "correct" arrow).

    Try putting the V1 in your car and fire the tester thru the windshield and the back window, I bet you'll find the arrows are more accurate then.

    The front sensor is bigger and more sensitive than the rear sensor. Sometimes when I use a remote to test mine, when I target the rear sensor, sometimes the front sensor picks up a reflection and lights the front arrow.

    Another thing I noticed is, when I go through an EZPass toll booth with my sunroof open, sometimes both the front and rear arrows will light up with a laser alert.
    If I'm passing you on the right, YOU are in the wrong lane!

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    OK, I'm a moron...just realised that the rear laser sensor is that small red circle just to the right of the bogey counter. So, my testing was invalid. I'm going to try it again now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpatz
    Since JTW's tester isn't a real lidar gun, its signal may be imperfect enough that the V1 responds better to an indirect hit than a direct one (which it interprets as junk and doesn't light the "correct" arrow).
    My tester isn't a real lidar gun, but it does use the same wavelength of light(904nm) and the same pulse rate as the LTI Ultralyte.

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    I can barely get the tester to work (I think it got damaged in the shipping as it came out of the bubble wrap and was free to slam around the inside of the shipping carton) but the few times I was able to get the V1 to respond, it responds with the correct arrow directions now. So, it was my error in originally taping over the rear radar sensor instead of the rear laser sensor.

    JTW: I sent you a PM.

    I'm still going to send it in for the free flash update. I talked to V1 tech support and suggested they put a USB port on them in their next redesign so we can flash the firmware ourselves. He said they hear that a lot, but didn't give any indication that they were going to do as such. It would save them (and us) a lot of hassle if they did.

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    I'm assuming that the tester uses a LED instead of a laser diode. LEDs have a slower response time than lasers, so when combined with V1's high sensitivity, it might not interpret the tester's signal as lidar at point blank range. In fact, when I test my V1 using a remote, I have to hold the remote about a foot away to get the V1 to trigger. If I put the remote's LED right up to the V1's sensor, it doesn't go off at all, even though it no doubt is receiving tons of IR from that LED. The V1 is probably so overwhelmed with IR that it sees it as noise and not as clean lidar pulses.

    I'll bet the tester works better when it's a short distance away (say, 1-3 feet) from the detector or jammer sensors.
    If I'm passing you on the right, YOU are in the wrong lane!

    If speed kills, how come I'm still alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper Pilot
    I can barely get the tester to work (I think it got damaged in the shipping as it came out of the bubble wrap and was free to slam around the inside of the shipping carton) but the few times I was able to get the V1 to respond, it responds with the correct arrow directions now. So, it was my error in originally taping over the rear radar sensor instead of the rear laser sensor.

    JTW: I sent you a PM.

    I'm still going to send it in for the free flash update. I talked to V1 tech support and suggested they put a USB port on them in their next redesign so we can flash the firmware ourselves. He said they hear that a lot, but didn't give any indication that they were going to do as such. It would save them (and us) a lot of hassle if they did.
    Thanks for your PM. I'll gladly replace that tester for you. Sorry it got banged around in the box.

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    Thanks JTW. Your customer service is commendable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpatz
    I'm assuming that the tester uses a LED instead of a laser diode. LEDs have a slower response time than lasers, so when combined with V1's high sensitivity, it might not interpret the tester's signal as lidar at point blank range. In fact, when I test my V1 using a remote, I have to hold the remote about a foot away to get the V1 to trigger. If I put the remote's LED right up to the V1's sensor, it doesn't go off at all, even though it no doubt is receiving tons of IR from that LED. The V1 is probably so overwhelmed with IR that it sees it as noise and not as clean lidar pulses.

    I'll bet the tester works better when it's a short distance away (say, 1-3 feet) from the detector or jammer sensors.
    TV remote controls are not the same as my tester. TV remotes use 880nm LED's usually. Valentine One radar detectors will alert to anything from 820nm to 950nm wavelegths. This is why your V1 will alert to your tv remote control, but if you point the tv remote at your blinder it won't go off. Laser jammers and other radar detectors only alert to the 904/905nm. This is why you need my tester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper Pilot
    I'm still going to send it in for the free flash update. I talked to V1 tech support and suggested they put a USB port on them in their next redesign so we can flash the firmware ourselves. He said they hear that a lot, but didn't give any indication that they were going to do as such. It would save them (and us) a lot of hassle if they did.
    What? And miss out on the $75 charge? I wouldn't complain about upgrades, but bug fixes, which some of the recent FW versions have clearly been, should be made available no charge.

 

 

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