My Valentine 1 "J'd" a LEO!

[hockey005]

just turn it off i gaurentee u will never ever ever get a ticket with it! and if u do il pay for it

[thestaton]

hmmm. This was a real problem back in 2005, and I thought Valentine had gotten it fixed. If you want my advice pick yourself up a 3.813. No Pop, No J Feature, the bogey counter is dead on, it has a lower spectre profile, and it's better at filtering out falses with big & little L.

Or you know what take a look and see what Escort has to offer. The excuses in this thread of oh well stay vigilante just don't fly with me.

[Hunter]

No way Jose Mr. Valentine spent alot of time and investment in detecting POP. Since I don't know the exact radar units in my area (and since I’m not going to stop an ask) I'll leave it on, I don't wana end up creating a thread that I received radar ticket and my detector didn't go off.

I also left mine on......don't find it hurts anything.

[thestaton]

POP = POOP.

The chance of getting a ticket is about the same odds of you winning the 300 million dollar lottery today, or getting struck by lightning. TURN IT OFF.

[hockey005]

thank u staton!

[CJR238]

Don’t turn on POP, you will first be saved by it, then win the lotto, than be struck by lighting.

[fast_car]

what is the advantage or disadvactage of POP if turn ON/OFF

does it hurt to leave POP on or will it make V1 more prone to false alarm

why V1 introduce it and also change POP to POP2 as well

TIA

[hockey005]

it was big like wat..3-4 years ago? so now all good RD's have it...but it makes the v1 false a lot on Ka...so its useless to have and since leos dont use it why have it on and false for nothing

[o2bad455]

it was big like wat..3-4 years ago? so now all good RD's have it...but it makes the v1 false a lot on Ka...so its useless to have and since leos dont use it why have it on and false for nothing

"POP" is automated short-triggering. Short-triggering is generally using I/O for less than the amount of time needed to stabilize the electronics for an accurate speed reading. It probably varies between radar gun models, but my understanding is that short-triggering would generally be considered to be any I/O pulse lasting less than about 3/4 of a second (some have said 1 second).

Since Ka POP is only a built-in feature on guns that happen to be about 33.8 GHz, RD manufacturers implement POP detection by spending more time scanning that small portion of the Ka spectrum, and that takes time away from scanning the other portions of the Ka spectrum. Thus, manual short-triggering in other portions of Ka can be missed *BECAUSE* POP detection is enabled for the small POP portion. This is why I disable POP.

Unfortunately, many poorly designed RDs happen to leak around 33.8 GHz. The V1 probably still has the best anti-false filtering, but it seems to take longer than the time limit to report a POP burst. Since the V1 does not have a separate POP alert, it alerts Ka when a very short burst is detected, and this is before the anti-false filter has had time to do its analysis. Thus, when the filter has finally had enough time to do its thing, it J's out the premature Ka alert. Although turning off POP minimizes this, I think the only real way to eliminate J's is to turn off the anti-falsing filter, but then the falses are nearly unbearable (although I want to try this in a more remote area to see if it might be bearable there, and perhaps increase the apparent sensitivity).

[languy99]

"POP" is automated short-triggering. Short-triggering is generally using I/O for less than the amount of time needed to stabilize the electronics for an accurate speed reading. It probably varies between radar gun models, but my understanding is that short-triggering would generally be considered to be any I/O pulse lasting less than about 3/4 of a second (some have said 1 second).

Since Ka POP is only a built-in feature on guns that happen to be about 33.4 GHz, RD manufacturers implement POP detection by spending more time scanning that small portion of the Ka spectrum, and that takes time away from scanning the other portions of the Ka spectrum. Thus, manual short-triggering in other portions of Ka can be missed *BECAUSE* POP detection is enabled for the small POP portion. This is why I disable POP.

Unfortunately, many poorly designed RDs happen to leak around 33.4. The V1 probably still has the best anti-false filtering, but it seems to take longer than the time limit to report a POP burst. Since the V1 does not have a separate POP alert, it alerts Ka when a very short burst is detected, and this is before the anti-false filter has had time to do its analysis. Thus, when the filter has finally had enough time to do its thing, it J's out the premature Ka alert. Although turning off POP minimizes this, I think the only real way to eliminate J's is to turn off the anti-falsing filter, but then the falses are nearly unbearable (although I want to try this in a more remote area to see if it might be bearable there, and perhaps increase the apparent sensitivity).

I think I will try this, I drive in remote areas and I have memorized most of the falses. I will turn pop off and the guard and see what happens.