POP Stats?

[blain7]

I have heard to turn POP off, but does anybody have any stats on how many guns out there have/use POP (% of guns in US, etc).

[hockey005]

turn it off...no one uses pop and it causes a lot of useless Ka falses and J outs....

[AirMoore]

Many MPH guns are POP capable. Check your local listings (on this forum) to see if MPH guns are used in your area. Even if they are used, POP sux, and therefor is almost never used anyways by LEO's; and cannot (legally) be used to write tickets and just causes obscene falses and J-outs (like Hockey005 said).


Turn it off... don't look back. Next!

[SlapMyFro]

x2 its pretty worthless, I am not sure why was even put in the RDs as an option

[jdong]

I personally disagree -- I think this is a case of fox-and-sour-grapes -- the only reason everyone here hates POP detection is because every detector SUCKS at it. The V1 is probably one that sucks less at it (i.e. less falsing) but the fact of the matter is, we need MORE POP detection. No detector on the market right now picks up the 16ms K-band POP on MPH Z-25/Z-35 units, and those are in common use.


Given that for those guns, POP mode is simply quick-trigger-pull sends POP, hold for 0.5s sends IO, I can't help but suspect that LEOs can conveniently POP traffic for hours, grabbing speed readings of hundreds of cars without detectors going off. Then, once he sees a speed he likes, he just squeezes the trigger a bit longer and voila! it looks to you like you got blasted with instant-on when in reality there were plenty of POP transmissions before the fact that you could've picked up.

But yeah, for now, POP detection is mostly useless -- it may or may not add significant falsing depending on your revision of the V1 and the place you live (I'v run with POP on for the year I've owned my 3.863 and had about 5 unexplained Ka alerts in total), but it doesn't significantly boost your protection either due to the lack of 16ms K-POP.

[<<JAZZY>>]

I am not into SML and their testing methods but they do have useful information sometimes.

Speed Zones - Over The Hill and POP Testing

POP Mode is used as a sales feature by only MPH Industries. The instruction manual states POP may not be used to issue speeding tickets as it’s speed can’t be locked, it allows no tracking history, and can be used only in the stationary mode. We tested both K and Ka POP. MPH says the short, 67 ms., transmission is so fast it can’t be detected by radar detectors. The Ka POP mode transmits at 33.8 GHz and was detected by all detectors except one encounter by the Cobra XRS 9G and all three tries by the TPX. However, the MPH Z-25 K band POP mode was not detected by any detector during any of the three tries per detector. We know it was transmitting as the gun showed the correct speed of the target vehicle. Test vehicles were told to travel at 30 mph with POP being transmitted at 500 feet. Only Oregon, Nevada, and Iowa have state contracts for POP.

[jdong]

Note that the claim it cannot be used in moving mode is invalid -- the Professor has quoted from a manual that POP can be used in any mode.

[blain7]

So out of all the radar guns in the US, how many have/use POP?